EPTHYPE: Idra vs Mondragon Bo5 22nd of June 21:00 CET - Page 14
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Velr
Switzerland10852 Posts
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HanN00b
Germany1441 Posts
On June 19 2009 02:45 Hot_Bid wrote: All that matters is who is better at this moment. Why does it matter who is more talented and who would win if they had the same practice? The fact is one of them is practicing more than the other one. It's like that in the real world, you don't measure just on genetics. Thats why Kobe wins championships and McGrady doesn't. You can argue that they have the same talent but one just "works harder" than the other for whatever reason. I'm not judging Mondragon for not going to Korea, but to say "Idra can only win because he practices more, Mondragon is more talented" is seriously the dumbest thing anyone can say. How else are you supposed to beat someone if its not by practicing more? Are we supposed to take two little kids who were just born and never played computer games before and then have them play each other? Who cares if someone has more potential if he never actually reaches it. It's a useless and stupid comment that you only said to put down Idra. In europe when you talk about soccer players talent plays a big role and not only who is the best player atm. | ||
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ilj.psa
Peru3081 Posts
On June 19 2009 03:07 Senx wrote: I don't think Idra gives a shit about Mondis past history. Let's live in the moment and state the truth which is that mondi has been flopping ever since TSL and definantly has more to prove than Idra who just recently won ESWC. whats your point so i guess this justifies that its okay for Idra to be bm? NO When did I said that Mondragon was better than Idra "nowadays" ? This is not what im arguing about. Clearly Idra is in better shape than the former and I would be surprise if Mondi actually beats him considering Idra is playing basically all day, progamer schedule. | ||
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Senx
Sweden5901 Posts
On June 19 2009 03:22 ilj.psa wrote: whats your point so i guess this justifies that its okay for Idra to be bm? NO When did I said that Mondragon was better than Idra "nowadays" ? This is not what im arguing about. Clearly Idra is in better shape than the former and I would be surprise if Mondi actually beats him considering Idra is playing basically all day, progamer schedule. It doesn't justify it, i'm just saying he wont magicly become mannered just bc he's facing mondi, Idra is BM regardless of who he's facing. I just think this whole "he was good 2 years ago, therefor he deserves respect"-argument is kind of lame and irrelevent in this certain thread. | ||
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Itachii
Poland12466 Posts
On June 19 2009 03:21 HanN00b wrote: In europe when you talk about soccer players talent plays a big role and not only who is the best player atm. and what does it have to do with anything?and btw, talent really starts to count among the best of the best, and thats when the whole talent talk starts.Everything else is just hard work and practice.You can be talented, but if you dont train and practice, talent won't save your ass. Seriously, all these german people, and euro overall, flaming Idra are just pathetic - they obviously have grudge against him, but looking for every possible way to disgrace and flame him is just beyond being stupid. Drop it already. | ||
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StorrZerg
United States13919 Posts
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HanN00b
Germany1441 Posts
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Piste
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StorrZerg
United States13919 Posts
On June 19 2009 03:54 HanN00b wrote: I admit sometimes it is funny to say obvious things to some of the americans here hey don't talk about them that way, they have feelings to you know. | ||
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Ancestral
United States3230 Posts
On June 19 2009 03:21 HanN00b wrote: In europe when you talk about soccer players talent plays a big role and not only who is the best player atm. What does this even mean? It's the same way in the entire world. Lance Armstrong won 7 Tours de France but he probably won't win this won. Mondragon has won countless events (so has IdrA) but he probably won't win this one. | ||
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Bebop Berserker
United States246 Posts
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Night[Mare
Mexico4793 Posts
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Ancestral
United States3230 Posts
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StorrZerg
United States13919 Posts
On June 19 2009 04:22 Ancestral wrote: You guys are all delusional. Just wait for the games - note I'm not contending my point because I dislike you and want you to be wrong, it's because I care for you and seeing you in error fills my heart with the pain of a father who has lost his firstborn sun. but this is a hype thread. isnt that the point? to try to correct others views and opinions? | ||
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ilj.psa
Peru3081 Posts
On June 19 2009 03:33 Senx wrote: It doesn't justify it, i'm just saying he wont magicly become mannered just bc he's facing mondi, Idra is BM regardless of who he's facing. I just think this whole "he was good 2 years ago, therefor he deserves respect"-argument is kind of lame and irrelevent in this certain thread. No it isn't , again your are justifying idra's bm whether you admit it or not, Being BM has no excuse, and even worse if you present those horrible arguments that "he's Bm to everyone so why wouldn't he be against Mondragon". And yes I think Mondragon earn certain respect from what he did in the past, whether you "give a shit" or not about the past doesn't matter, he's still a very respected player in the Foreign community for what he did. | ||
Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
On June 19 2009 03:54 HanN00b wrote: I admit sometimes it is funny to say obvious things to some of the americans here Unfortunately for you the comment was both stupid and irrelevant. | ||
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isleyofthenorth
Austria894 Posts
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groro
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On June 19 2009 02:45 Hot_Bid wrote: All that matters is who is better at this moment. Why does it matter who is more talented and who would win if they had the same practice? The fact is one of them is practicing more than the other one. It's like that in the real world, you don't measure just on genetics. Thats why Kobe wins championships and McGrady doesn't. You can argue that they have the same talent but one just "works harder" than the other for whatever reason. I'm not judging Mondragon for not going to Korea, but to say "Idra can only win because he practices more, Mondragon is more talented" is seriously the dumbest thing anyone can say. How else are you supposed to beat someone if its not by practicing more? Are we supposed to take two little kids who were just born and never played computer games before and then have them play each other? Who cares if someone has more potential if he never actually reaches it. It's a useless and stupid comment that you only said to put down Idra. yes it just matters to show off in terms of identification. otherwise you would just care about what is now and don`t need to point on speculations about "if" and "whens" that makes you or that what you identify with look better. I also think that something like "talent" isn`t that one-dimensional and easy to measure as some what it make look like. mondragon was without doubt one of the most talented players in that what he was and under the conditions he enjoyed playing the game(beeing a top amateur). but that doesn`t imply that he also would live up with that in the conditions of beeing a progamer and could also add endless more to his own peak. you can also speculate if there would be not even more sucessfull players of his caliber in the foreign scene if more began playing broodwar extensive with 12-13 years of age back in the days and constantly over a long period of time. or if jaedong or bisu were that great if even more koreans and people of the world would play in their conditions. but nobody does this. because its unnecessary and disrespectful to their real and present performance. | ||
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Mongery
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Mondragon too inactive? | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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