[article] Pimpest Plays 2007

On May 25 2009 19:13 GTR wrote:
dyo needs to come back, he was the best movie maker.

On May 25 2009 19:13 GTR wrote:
dyo needs to come back, he was the best movie maker.

On May 25 2009 19:13 GTR wrote:
dyo needs to come back, he was the best movie maker.

On May 25 2009 21:38 Nytefish wrote:
Honorable Mention - Zelniq's Cliff Jump
Honorable Mention - Chalrenge's Draw
Unpimpest - Pokju Getting Horror Gated on Peaks
8. Boxer's fake SP
7. NaDa's Yamato Micro
6. Jaedon's ee han timing mutalisks
5. Iris's Mine Hide
4. Crazy-Hydra Muta Micro
3. Monty Hall Antics
2. Silver's Monty Hall Build
1. Casy's Fake FE vs July RLT

On May 25 2009 20:25 MasterReY wrote:


definately this.

As far as i know dyo created a metal band with some friends after he retired from bw.
T____T

On May 26 2009 00:17 HooHa! wrote:

Whats he called? Ronald James Dyo?


Anyways, yeah he had good movies made, they were really epic.

On May 25 2009 20:22 Evilmonkey. wrote:
Hella late, but pimpest plays is pimpest plays; at least they got it done =p. Pretty well done, brought back some good memories. Though I didn't find much singnificance with "Monty Hall Antics", I'm sure I saw some better games than that displayed on that godforsaken map. I seem to recall an epic bisu vs nada game, but maybe it didn't really show the mechanics of the map.

Btw, props to our very own Zelniq for making the cut, I remember that thread haha.

Then, from seemingly no where, Nada clones all of his giant Battlecruiser fleet and Yamtos every Battlecruiser that Dongrae has. This inhuman feet of control resulted in Nada winning a decisive fight with a 12 Battlecruisers to spare, securing the win.

StarCraft changed a lot during 2007.

On May 26 2009 02:48 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Is there a place to download the past PPs?
I can't find a link in their articles.

On May 26 2009 01:19 GrandInquisitor wrote:
Who the fuck did they get to write this? This is hideously embarrassing writing.

On May 26 2009 04:47 Talith wrote:


Sclegacy.com produces them and they're under the features section.

Pimpest plays

On May 26 2009 05:16 Avidkeystamper wrote:

I mean like the video compilations.

On May 26 2009 09:50 LordofAscension wrote:
Yes, I'm so glad most of you found something to bash. I definitely can see all of you that volunteered the 5x billion times that we asked for help have many good things to say. *rolls eyes* It's so great to do something for the community. I can definitely tell that some of the elitism blackballing reputation that TL has is deserved. PP08 will be out and it will be better. We're always trying to improve and constructive criticism is always welcome - bashing not so much.

That being said if anyone is genuinely interested in helping out with PP08 please contact me. We could always use the help of some knowledgable community members.

~LoA

On May 26 2009 10:38 MaZza[KIS] wrote:
Why would u come here and bash people for bashing you???? I don't understand.

Wow, dude, you sound upset. If you're "doing something for the community" then you should do it effortlessly without any expectation of reward. When you do something you love you expect nothing in return.

This is what makes TL different. The contributors. We thank them, sometimes, but most of the time they do it coz they love sc and they largelly go unnoticed. So, take a chill pill. This site is the reason you were able to compile something in the first place. Not to mention that it's the site that'll give you the most views. Why would u come here and bash people for bashing you???? I don't understand.

EDIT: With regards to blackballing and elitism. Well, I think TL has been pretty adamant about rooting out bad posters and people who are unjustly opinionated. Hence, I think there is something to feel elitist about. On average, this is probably one of the better forums out there.. so, again, chill.

On May 26 2009 10:54 Holgerius wrote:

You don't understand why people don't appreciate being bashed?

On May 26 2009 11:48 Gradius wrote:
I don't see how any of that correlates to what LoA said. SC:L doesn't expect a reward, just some common courtesy. I figured that the article would get some criticism because SC:L doesn't have as many knowledgeable progaming writers as they did in the past, but when you see people complaining about stupid shit like "you transposed one letter in one word, therefore this article is trash" it's a downer to say the least. Actually, I can't figure out whether it's a joke or people are just running out of things to complain about. Granted, it's pimpest plays, so it should be subject to more scrutiny, but it's an editing mistake that could have been missed by virtually anybody.

Also, I'd like to remind everyone that the reason it is so late in the first place is because while pimpest plays are fun to read, they're not as fun to write. The TL writers who volunteered to help w/ the writing all flaked, as did the SC:L people who were originally working on it. We don't live in a perfect world. SC:L appreciates constructive criticism, but please don't bash them for doing the things that nobody else wants to do.

On May 26 2009 09:50 LordofAscension wrote:
Yes, I'm so glad most of you found something to bash. I definitely can see all of you that volunteered the 5x billion times that we asked for help have many good things to say. *rolls eyes* It's so great to do something for the community. I can definitely tell that some of the elitism blackballing reputation that TL has is deserved. PP08 will be out and it will be better. We're always trying to improve and constructive criticism is always welcome - bashing not so much.

That being said if anyone is genuinely interested in helping out with PP08 please contact me. We could always use the help of some knowledgable community members.

~LoA

On May 25 2009 19:10 lolaloc wrote:
SCL has finally published their article on the latest pimpest plays.

http://sclegacy.com/feature/4-pp/354-pimpest-plays-2007

I still think the video didn't do justice. No offense to MooN

On May 26 2009 01:19 GrandInquisitor wrote:
And why is Pokju's being proxied "unpimpest"? How is that at all a reflection on his play? Does reacting suboptimally to a brilliant, innovative proxy by the best player in the world qualify for Unpimpest along with trapping your own units when proxying?

On May 26 2009 13:06 lolaloc wrote:
The PP team should have a video production team and an article writing team.

The video making is the real problem (Perhaps a handful of talented video makers should join MooN). TL can easily do the writing (just look at Final Edits).

On May 26 2009 13:19 Chef wrote:

The problem is they're having a serious problem with volunteers, and people dropping out of the project on them. There is unrest in the ranks :O What they need is reliability. People in the project need to have the confidence that it will work out. That comes before assembling a huge team of talented people, in my opinion.

On May 26 2009 09:50 LordofAscension wrote:
Yes, I'm so glad most of you found something to bash. I definitely can see all of you that volunteered the 5x billion times that we asked for help have many good things to say. *rolls eyes* It's so great to do something for the community. I can definitely tell that some of the elitism blackballing reputation that TL has is deserved. PP08 will be out and it will be better. We're always trying to improve and constructive criticism is always welcome - bashing not so much.

That being said if anyone is genuinely interested in helping out with PP08 please contact me. We could always use the help of some knowledgable community members.

~LoA

On May 26 2009 09:50 LordofAscension wrote:
Yes, I'm so glad most of you found something to bash. I definitely can see all of you that volunteered the 5x billion times that we asked for help have many good things to say. *rolls eyes* It's so great to do something for the community. I can definitely tell that some of the elitism blackballing reputation that TL has is deserved. PP08 will be out and it will be better. We're always trying to improve and constructive criticism is always welcome - bashing not so much.

That being said if anyone is genuinely interested in helping out with PP08 please contact me. We could always use the help of some knowledgable community members.

~LoA

On May 26 2009 05:14 Pyrthas wrote:

To be honest, a lot of TL's articles make me react in basically the same way. They're frequently full of bad English, stupid metaphors, and mistakes that would be caught by any decent editor. I don't comment or complain because it really doesn't seem right--these guys are writing articles in their spare time and for free. But if we're going to start picking apart articles like this, we might as well start picking apart all the front page articles here on TL as well.

On May 26 2009 13:13 Plexa wrote:

The proxy wasn't brilliant or innovative. It's been done before, many times (even has a name for itself), and you would expect progamers to be able to deal with that kinda shit. Pokju just locked up under the pressure and failed spectacularly.

On May 26 2009 13:50 AttackZerg wrote:
Plexa when in a pro game or during a game between pro gamers had a manner pylon into doublegate been done?

As far as I know it is the first time it was done on the pro stage and it was the first (and only?) time it was done on peaks in pro game?

If it had been done before I'll be shocked, I really had never seen it done before.

Chill spent several pages on TL defending how Pokju played, saying there was no way Pokju could have defended except by opening Forge-first. Now, I disagree with him, but it's probably indicative that Pokju's play was certainly not worthy of being singled out for scorn compared to all the other 2007 mistakes, especially when dealing with a highly unusual cheese (show me another example of a manner pylon into double manner gate) by the best player in the world at the time.

On May 26 2009 21:55 Plexa wrote:
I can show you other examples of manner pylon - manner gate, albeit not from proleague but they do exist (and is known for existing). I don't think you could call that several pages of Chill defending it either, although he certainly shared his opinion on page 1. With that said, nothing against Chill of course, but the strategy isn't very good, hence why you do not see it very often (else we would use it every game correct?). Like I said, the reason Pokju lost - above everything else - is because he locked up and failed. I really do not consider what Bisu did to be "pimp" in any sense of the word (seeing as it was done before, and was clearly a much better player shitting on someone much worse than him). But it was hilarious, and thats why its on the list.

If you want to point out some other mistakes from 2007 be my guest although the Flower kill-my-gas-to-hide-speed-then-reveal-it-anyway game was in 2008.

On May 26 2009 22:15 GrandInquisitor wrote:
Midas accidentally quitting the game vs. Light
Stork v. FBH, trapped one of his DT in his proxy (though not as gamechanging as Kingdumb)
Iris v. Shark, Shark forgetting lurker aspect, has to attack with mass hydra
Iris v. Savior, Iris dropping SCV's
Testie forgetting range against Bisu
Nony forgetting storm in TSL
Hwasin self-erasering + Show Spoiler +

On May 26 2009 09:50 LordofAscension wrote:
Yes, I'm so glad most of you found something to bash. I definitely can see all of you that volunteered the 5x billion times that we asked for help have many good things to say. *rolls eyes* It's so great to do something for the community. I can definitely tell that some of the elitism blackballing reputation that TL has is deserved. PP08 will be out and it will be better. We're always trying to improve and constructive criticism is always welcome - bashing not so much.

That being said if anyone is genuinely interested in helping out with PP08 please contact me. We could always use the help of some knowledgable community members.

~LoA

I can definitely tell that some of the elitism blackballing reputation that TL has is deserved.

On May 26 2009 21:55 Plexa wrote:

Only time i know on the prostage (because its such a "fuck you" to your opponents skill). But I do know it has been used at WCG for instance (especially in european countries)
I can show you other examples of manner pylon - manner gate, albeit not from proleague but they do exist (and is known for existing). I don't think you could call that several pages of Chill defending it either, although he certainly shared his opinion on page 1. With that said, nothing against Chill of course, but the strategy isn't very good, hence why you do not see it very often (else we would use it every game correct?). Like I said, the reason Pokju lost - above everything else - is because he locked up and failed. I really do not consider what Bisu did to be "pimp" in any sense of the word (seeing as it was done before, and was clearly a much better player shitting on someone much worse than him). But it was hilarious, and thats why its on the list.

If you want to point out some other mistakes from 2007 be my guest although the Flower kill-my-gas-to-hide-speed-then-reveal-it-anyway game was in 2008.

On May 27 2009 02:40 GHOSTCLAW wrote:


This topic should probably be reopened in another thread, but as a theoretical exercise, what is the proper response to horror gates...?

On May 26 2009 05:14 Pyrthas wrote:

To be honest, a lot of TL's articles make me react in basically the same way. They're frequently full of bad English, stupid metaphors, and mistakes that would be caught by any decent editor. I don't comment or complain because it really doesn't seem right--these guys are writing articles in their spare time and for free. But if we're going to start picking apart articles like this, we might as well start picking apart all the front page articles here on TL as well.

On May 27 2009 02:28 Hot_Bid wrote:


This:

...is an unnecessary attack that I didn't expect from you.

Saying the writing is bad isn't bashing. It's a very easy and doable improvement that frankly should have been considered by you guys. Its your responsibility to fix these sort of things. Nobody is going to come to you and volunteer to edit the final draft. Either spend the hour and do it yourself or PM all the TL writers and ask for some help to edit. I'm sure someone would have helped you out considering how easy it would be to fix some of these problems.

edit: I reopened this, and hopefully people will take a more considerate tone. No more flames please.

On May 27 2009 03:09 LordofAscension wrote:


Saying the writing is bad certainly isn't bashing - the way in which that criticism is delivered certainly can be construed as bashing. I think you've totally missed the point of what I was trying to say. Whatever. It's in the past. We'll move on.

Edit: Good thing I have a college degree - I'll go spend that hour now.

~LoA

On May 27 2009 03:30 Hot_Bid wrote:
If you have an issue with how the criticism is delivered, the same can be said about your response, which is unnecessarily sarcastic, with stuff like "eyeroll" and a blanket general insult to all of TL. Are you saying this is the correct way to respond? Many people gave perfectly fine criticism, but when you respond like you did, what do you expect them to say?

I don't think I missed your point at all. If you really are going to go back and edit it, that's great news, and hopefully next time it can be done before it's released.

On May 27 2009 02:56 Hot_Bid wrote:
I dare you to do better. Enlist in TeamLiquid.

On May 27 2009 03:41 LordofAscension wrote:


How many times have I responded to criticism here @ TL with anything less that apology and grace? And I really don't think I blanket insulted all of TL. My original formatting italicized "some" since every site has some bad apples. I'm proud to be a member of TL and I very much enjoy most of what goes on here. My statement I think is fair. Some people did give appropriate criticism but then again my statements wouldn't apply to them would they? If the bashing wasn't an issue then my reply wouldn't have been how it was; cause and effect.

Yes, I really am editting it. I guess if you want something done right you have to do it yourself.

~LoA

On May 27 2009 03:43 Pyrthas wrote:

Yeah, this is why I don't comment on the sometimes less-than-perfect writing. The majority of my work involves writing, reading, and correcting papers. I really don't want to do more writing or editing in my spare time!

But you make a good point about having multiple years and no deadline for the PP writeup. I was thinking about including that in my original post. Not sure why I didn't. :/

On May 27 2009 04:02 Judicator wrote:
Just curious, is there some one checking for simple and/or obvious writing mistakes here on TL.net, prior to "publication"?

Holy faggot shit... what a blunder by not even including those unpimpest plays...
[...]
How could SCL miss out these?!

And why is Pokju's being proxied "unpimpest"? How is that at all a reflection on his play? Does reacting suboptimally to a brilliant, innovative proxy by the best player in the world qualify for Unpimpest along with trapping your own units when proxying?

...but for the next PP, can the YouTube videos not look like ass

I'd rather have waited another 4 months if that's what it would have taken for someone to do a spell check before posting it.

There's a difference between being mean-spirited, which discourages contribution, and honest criticism, which exposes bad, lackluster efforts. And to be truthful, if all you're contributing to the community are giant turds you call writing, then I really don't care if you get discouraged from contributing.

I agree. We could make our news, editorials, and other coverage much more comprehensive and better written. However, there is a huge difference between many frequent weekly updates and news posts made on constantly changing information and a once a year posting. There is absolutely no reason to have any sort of major spelling or grammatical errors in PP when you have over three years to write it and no deadline. Many of these errors could be fixed in less than 1 hour of editing. If the community can wait two years for PP2007, we can wait another 2 hours for someone to edit the writing. Is it really urgent to post PP2007 that minute given the huge delay already? There's absolutely no rush.

"Giant turds you call writing"? I expected the article would have received some criticism for not being up to par with the previous articles, but isn't this a little overkill? Do you honestly think that what you're doing constitutes "honest criticism". Seriously. You didn't just say "this writing isn't as good as the previous PPs," you said "Who the fuck did they get to write this? This is hideously embarrassing writing" in response to a grammar error that virtually anyone could have missed.

On May 27 2009 06:17 Gradius wrote:


Well this is just dumb. How do you expect horrible youtube quality to be fixed when the only other source in existence is other horrible quality YouTube videos? SC:L used an extremely powerful video encoding method when porting the vods to their channel - there is no noticeable quality difference between them and the originals.

On May 27 2009 06:17 Gradius wrote:

What? A spell check wouldn't have fixed any of the errors you're complaining about. Feet and feat are homonyms that are spelled correctly. =/

an article that's basically your site's only reason for continued existence

But realize that that's just an excuse, and not a justification

That's too bad. I appreciate your calling me dumb by inclusion, though. It emphasises your point skilfully.

On May 27 2009 07:02 AttackZerg wrote:
I will help on any area of this project I can. I'm not just throwing out shit, I actually realize how much I miss how good it used to be.

On May 27 2009 07:58 Gradius wrote:

I'm not calling you dumb. Do you disagree that expecting the videos to be higher quality than anything else that exists is unreasonable?

On May 27 2009 06:43 GrandInquisitor wrote:
... an article that's basically your site's only reason for continued existence, you don't make such grade-school level mistakes. It's not just about NaDa and his "inhuman feet of control" while "Yamtoing". The article as a whole is riddled with spelling and grammar mistakes. I would be embarrassed to turn that into any of my professors, from middle school onwards.

On May 27 2009 08:55 AttackZerg wrote:
Plexa please pm me the list of games and moments that you think are the best of 2008.

Also anybody else please include them in pms to me, solo moments or entire games.

Please put Great Plays in the title of the pm so I can at a later date still easily recognize them!

If I can get a very strong list then I can personally begin contacting members of the community to help me. I am sure that I can organize at least 5-6 people to work with me(1 writer-1 video producer/director-1 editor - and 3 people to help me figure out the most accurate and appealing ways to present the whole project and rate the videos, and also add new features to it)

Anybody with any type of advise that they can give me to get the ball rolling is also more then welcome! This will be my first project of this sort. I imagine that without straining I can produce a high quality 'great plays of 2008' before august.

Cheers!

On May 28 2009 00:36 AttackZerg wrote:
I'm sure if anybody did a good job people would be interested to see it.

(Edit: don't act like the people reading pp's matter to anyone who has worked on the project, if so many people view it,then you should have respected them enough to put forth something good. Who is the guy who created SCL? He didn't used to suck.)

On May 28 2009 00:57 fast ball player wrote:
the level of writing is remarkably bad. it's clear the guy is not too smart and is using wayyy too many words to try and appear smart. just tons and tons of unnecessary irrelevant words. mark twain said the best writers say the most using the least words; every word thats not strictly necessary should be edited out.

"Flash serves up a rush; as reward for the intestinal fortitude required to pull off such a play, Flash storms into Bisu's base and cleans up the mess - game over."

wtf is that sentence. the entire first clause (before the comma) should be cut, as should everything after the word base. Flaash storms into bisu's base. just say what happened.

at the same time i think its pretty shitty to give this guy a hard time for trying to defend the legitimacy of SCL and PP. if you dont like it you dont have to read it. he did it for free, which i concede doesnt mean he should get zero criticism ever, but neither should people talk like SCL owes them anything because they did not pay money for PP.

On May 28 2009 01:17 LordofAscension wrote:
Also - the work on PP08 has already commenced (with new authors) and there is a hard date so it will be out much sooner than the previous two. Perhaps we can find some redemption in that.

~LoA

On May 28 2009 01:33 Chef wrote:

gl gl

All I want to see (as a fan of PP) is effort and discipline right now. The quality of the finished product is not that critical as long as it doesn't look like it's done between the hours of 2 and 6 am the night before it's due. I don't think anyone (despite what they say) really expects a professional and premium magazine quality release, we just want to feel like the people working on the project respect what they are doing. SC community is strong because we're about effort and love for the game, not necessarily genius work.

Really, that was my only gripe with this years release. Parts of it looked like the person just didn't care anymore.

On May 26 2009 12:08 MaZza[KIS] wrote:


No... I don't understand why you would COME ON TL to bash TL. He's doing the exact thing that everyone else is.





Wow man... there are so many contradictions in what you wrote, not to mention the dismissive logic and deterministic attitude. Really there is no point arguing with you so I wont. I'll just give you the simple COURTESY of acknowledging what you wrote? Does that suffice?

Really there is no point arguing with you so I wont. I'll just give you the simple COURTESY of acknowledging what you wrote?

On May 28 2009 02:06 Chef wrote:
Let your writers know if they want some help editing and some feedback, they should PM me and I'd be happy to give my time.

On May 28 2009 12:34 fast ball player wrote:
my biggest problem with the writing is sometimes there was so much fancy language it was hard to even tell what the point was.

On May 25 2009 19:13 GTR wrote:
dyo needs to come back, he was the best movie maker.