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[Nal_Ra's Hallucination] Light's Three Mistakes

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samsammy
Profile Joined December 2005
United States76 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-21 05:08:33
April 21 2009 05:07 GMT
#1
Became super bored, once again while writing this stupid Durkheim essay.
Fomos.kr started a corner for Nal_Ra called
"Nal_Ra's Hallucination"

Think this is his first article.
Original Article - http://fomos.kr/
Translated by samsammy
(Like all of my translations, some parts are not translated very well)

[Nal_Ra's Hallucination] Light[aLive]'s Three Mistakes

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▶ 2009.4.13 - Shinhan Proleague 08-09 4th Round
◆ SK Telecom vs MBC Game 2nd Set Outsider Bisu vs Light

If there is a winner, there must be a loser. Although your play might not up to be your standards, its always better to win, than to lose with a perfect game play.

I want take time and think as the position of the loser, and look back at the mistakes the player made, and think about what he could have done better.

Today, I want to look back at the Shinhan Proleague 4th Round, the 2nd match between SK Telecom and MBC game, Bisu vs Light - and take Light's position.

First, I would like to point out 3 things Light could have done better. At the start of the match, Light started off well, cheese rushing Bisu, and successfully taking his Nexus down.

Although his Nexus was down, Bisu probably did think that he could still win. (And the results show he did)

However, it is also true Light, who successfully took Bisu's Nexus down, probably thought more strongly [than Bisu] that he could win.

First, I would like to point out and applaud one of Bisu's moves. Bisu did not use his probes in the nat. expansion to defend the cheese rush, but very calmly made the decision to move them back to his base. This decision to make his probes live was a very admirable move.

If Bisu lost his calmness and used his probes to defend his Nexus [and lose them pointlessly], I believe the probability of Bisu losing the game would have been much
higher.

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◆Light taking down Bisu's Nexus with a cheese rush

Now going back to Light, his cheese rush was good, and he accomplished taking down the Nexus. Then, after taking his nat. expansion, he focuses on making drop ships. I want to make a small point here, 'what if he made the Starport in the 5 O' Clock corner, where it would be hard to scout?'

First, lets look at the first mistake Light made. A screen comes out where Bisu sees with his observer, Lights drop ship. Although not 100% sure, if you see, after the drop ship comes out, Light goes to his nat.exp, then changes his course to 7 O' Clock, which indicates Light was aware of Bisu's observer. [You actually have to see the game to understand completely]

Then what if Light made the decision to move his vultures using the 1 O' Clock path and move to the 12 O' Clock area, while he used his drop ship to take two tanks to the 11 O' Clock expansion? (Instead of going to Bisu's base)

Bisu did check the drop ship with this observer, so there were no dragoons in the center, so the vulture would have easily reached the 12 O' Clock area. It would also have been very easy for the drop ship to reach the 11 O'Clock area.

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◆The unfortunate Starport positioning

If Light dropped his tanks, then move the vultures [at the 12'O clock position] using his drop ship, he could have harassed behind the 11 O'Clock minerals. It would have been possible to take the 11 O'Clock expansion down.

If Light had made this move and took Bisu's expansion down, the meta game would definitely have changed.

Now lets look at the 2nd mistake. [I'm translating this as a mistake, but its more of a, what he could have done better] It is about 20 minutes into the game. Light's two drop ships fly into Bisu's main base. It was a great timing. Bisu was preparing for a big fight, and therefore all his units were positioned above his own nat.exp.

At this point. With this 2 drop ships, Light is able to do a lot of damage. However, Light here also loses his nat exp. to Bisu, thus what he gained through the two drop ships was lost.

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◆Give and Take

If Light was planning to move into the center when his population hit 150, it would have been a better decision to simply block off his nat.exp using simcity. Also, what if his factories were rallied [Light did not rally point his factories toward the nat. exp]towards the nat. exp?

If this was the case he could have lessened his losses, and gained much from his two drop ships. Bisu was already in the center, and even if Bisu went back he saw the drop ship, Light would have profited. Onceagain, this would have changed the meta game.

Let's look at Light's final mistake. Light was a little baffled because his dropship didnt work 100%, but both players were [at this point in the game] playing with the confidence that they could win.

23 minutes, 30 seconds into the game, Light manages to take down Bisu's units at the center. After this point, it is important. [in deciding the winner]

This is a point when 1 second can feel like a long time. That's how much a second is important in this point of the game. Lights decision to move to 1 O' Clock, after taking Bisu's nat exp, was an excellent decision.

But here we can see his mistake. When he entered Bisu's natural expansion it was 23min. 50seconds, and he left at 24min. 17seconds. In other words, it took 27 seconds to take down the Nexus. If Light was more precise with his controls and made his tanks force-attack the Nexus, he would have taken down the Nexus under 15 seconds.
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◆Take the Nexus down faster, Light

If Light had done this, he would have had more time attacking 1 O'Clock, and also would have abridged the time it took for him to take down Bisu's exp at 12 O'Clock. Bisu's resources were mainly coming from the 1 O' Clock and 12 O' Clock expansion, so if Light took these two expansions down faster, Light would have had a higher chance of winning.

Becoming Light's position, I summarized three things Light could have done better. Players become better by looking back at their mistakes, and improving upon them.
It must have been a disappointing game for Light, but I believe he earned as much as he lost in this game.

Of course, it is all because of Bisu, who played a calm, excellent game, that Light made these unintentional mistakes.

Although I did look at Light's mistakes, what he could have done better, Light did what he thought was the best action, and I believe he made great decisions.

I thank Bisu and Light for a great, tense game, and I believe that they will show us many more in the future.
Article=MBC Game commentator Nal_Ra

* I don't know if its my problem, or Ra's problem, but I simply can not translate some of his sentences. Some of the sentences aren't clear, or redundant. Also, he is assuming you watched the game (which I didn't). So, I shortened the last part a bit, but that's not important.
More anger plz-
maareek
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2042 Posts
April 21 2009 05:13 GMT
#2
Thank you so much for these translations, even if the last one did get totally shat on.

I need sleep, so I haven't read this yet, but the prospect of reading Nal_rA's overview of a game has me pretty excited. Thanks again!
FrozenArbiter: Obless PvT master
Mista
Profile Joined January 2009
Singapore1022 Posts
April 21 2009 05:14 GMT
#3
Wow this is pretty good summary coming from Nal_Ra makes it so much better.Thanks samsammy!
Time for some Revolution !
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
April 21 2009 05:19 GMT
#4
great translation, or find. Thanks a ton - Nalra's commentary is pretty interesting.
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blabber
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4448 Posts
April 21 2009 05:30 GMT
#5
wow this is very gosu
blabberrrrr
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
April 21 2009 05:35 GMT
#6
Oh wow, great detailed translation coming from a seasoned veteran progamer.
God Bless
Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
April 21 2009 05:37 GMT
#7
really nice translation, thanks.
deathgod6
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States5064 Posts
April 21 2009 05:40 GMT
#8
Awesome translation, that game was crazy. You should definitely see it!
4.0 GPA = A rank 5.0 GPA = Olympic --------- Bisu, Best, Fantasy. i ♥ oov. They can get in my BoxeR anyday.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66358 Posts
April 21 2009 06:09 GMT
#9
He should have done Reach vs Kal though... I still have no idea how Reach lost that.

Anyway good job on the translation.
POGGERS
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51507 Posts
April 21 2009 06:12 GMT
#10
On April 21 2009 15:09 konadora wrote:
He should have done Reach vs Kal though... I still have no idea how Reach lost that.

Anyway good job on the translation.


pfft, backho vs bisu was a more blown game
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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
April 21 2009 06:22 GMT
#11
<3 Kang Min...
TranslatorBaa!
Random_0
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States1163 Posts
April 21 2009 06:45 GMT
#12
yes, i agree. i would love to see more of this kind of insight, esp. from Nal_ra
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-21 07:28:25
April 21 2009 07:28 GMT
#13
Very cool, thanks a ton

I would also love more translations of things like this!
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SHr3DD3r
Profile Joined March 2009
Pakistan2137 Posts
April 21 2009 07:43 GMT
#14
Very insightful - Nal_Ra <3
Hit them hard! Hit them low! - Forever a Bisu Fan!~!
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
April 21 2009 07:44 GMT
#15
Many thanks for this!
Peace~
Retsukage
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1002 Posts
April 21 2009 07:56 GMT
#16
so awesome looking forward to more writing by Nal_Ra!!
To change is to improve, to change often is to be perfect - Winston Chruchill
PobTheCad
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Australia893 Posts
April 21 2009 08:58 GMT
#17
i've never heard it said like 'block off his expansion with sim city'
lost in translation or a common term in korea?
Once again back is the incredible!
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51507 Posts
April 21 2009 09:00 GMT
#18
On April 21 2009 17:58 PobTheCad wrote:
i've never heard it said like 'block off his expansion with sim city'
lost in translation or a common term in korea?


sim city is just a slang term to refer to building placement/tightness
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HonestTea *
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
5007 Posts
April 21 2009 09:05 GMT
#19
"sim city" = careful building placement
returns upon momentous occasions.
DM20
Profile Joined September 2008
Canada544 Posts
April 21 2009 09:08 GMT
#20
On April 21 2009 15:09 konadora wrote:
He should have done Reach vs Kal though... I still have no idea how Reach lost that.

Anyway good job on the translation.



Because reach cut probes for that allinish attack, yes he killed the nat, but kal saved most of his probes, so his eco was still better than reach's.
Tertiary
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
66 Posts
April 21 2009 11:13 GMT
#21
Good analysis. Light in my opinion could be a top terran in the near future.
b(town)
Profile Joined February 2009
United States20 Posts
April 24 2009 21:26 GMT
#22
Thanks for the translation, I really enjoyed this game & it's nice to have Nal_Ra's thoughts on it.
Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
April 24 2009 21:39 GMT
#23
Thanks so much for the translation. Ra has a unique perspective and it is really interesting to hear his thoughts.
Uff Da
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11554 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-24 21:51:43
April 24 2009 21:51 GMT
#24
whoa nice find.

Good to see that Nal_rA still has interest in the game!

I kind of shrugged over that game, but I guess I have to watch it now :D

Though I think rA should take a protoss's perspective
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
lokiM
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3407 Posts
April 24 2009 22:10 GMT
#25
thanks for translating this, was a good read.
You can't fight the feeling.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
April 24 2009 22:30 GMT
#26
This was nice but he really should do Backho vs Bisut oo holy shit how do you lose that
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AlwaysGG
Profile Joined March 2009
Taiwan952 Posts
April 24 2009 23:21 GMT
#27
nal_ra :D
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PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
April 24 2009 23:29 GMT
#28
Excellent. I love these in-depth insights relative experts give. This reminds me of the one analysis TheMarine did of Flash vs Mind.

On April 25 2009 06:51 FragKrag wrote:
whoa nice find.

Good to see that Nal_rA still has interest in the game!

I kind of shrugged over that game, but I guess I have to watch it now :D

Though I think rA should take a protoss's perspective

Of course he does...he's a commentator for MBC now...
Hello
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
April 24 2009 23:31 GMT
#29
Get bored more often! ^^

Great translation, thanks for this
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
pyrogenetix
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
China5098 Posts
April 28 2009 09:21 GMT
#30
thanks so much for the trans! would really love to see more translated articles since the koreans have much better understanding of the game.

Thanks for your time and effort! Great read.
Yea that looks just like Kang Min... amazing game sense... and uses mind games well, but has the micro of a washed up progamer.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17554 Posts
April 28 2009 11:48 GMT
#31
Hmm...
Nal_Ra + the best game this year, you can't go wrong with those.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
April 28 2009 11:58 GMT
#32
This was a great game. I really like outsider.
fnaticNoname
Profile Joined January 2008
India858 Posts
April 28 2009 11:59 GMT
#33
Thanks a lot for this!
bitchaRd[raGe]
Profile Joined August 2008
Russian Federation376 Posts
April 29 2009 12:52 GMT
#34
Thank you Nal_rA, thank you samsammy, and we are looking forward to Best vs Stork translation!
SKT1!
iLoveKT
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Philippines3615 Posts
April 29 2009 13:02 GMT
#35
http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=94827&db=issue

translation pls...
Woo Jung Ho
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
April 29 2009 13:05 GMT
#36
On April 21 2009 20:13 Tertiary wrote:
Good analysis. Light in my opinion could be a top terran in the near future.


Anyone else remember when Light was a top Terran? There were a few translated threads by MDT (I believe) analyzing his at-the-time insane gameplay
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riptide
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
5673 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-05 16:42:16
May 05 2009 16:40 GMT
#37
Thank you for the translation! What awesome analysis. Such a pro, Kang Min. Please do keep translating these for us.
AdministratorSKT T1 | Masters of the Universe
fnaticNoname
Profile Joined January 2008
India858 Posts
May 05 2009 18:12 GMT
#38
On April 29 2009 22:02 iLoveKTF wrote:
http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=94827&db=issue

translation pls...

MuR)Ernu
Profile Joined September 2008
Finland768 Posts
May 05 2009 18:22 GMT
#39
On May 06 2009 03:12 fnaticNoname wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2009 22:02 iLoveKTF wrote:
http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=94827&db=issue

translation pls...


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