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stalife
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada1222 Posts
January 09 2009 06:11 GMT
#41
probably need to complete single player missions.. then get a real life friend to teach you step by step
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meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
January 09 2009 06:17 GMT
#42
Finish the whole campaign first. Would probably take about a week or two. Then choose a race (probably Protoss) and start practicing vs computer (easier) or online (might get owned 24/7).
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StarSlay3r
Profile Joined December 2008
United States50 Posts
January 09 2009 06:19 GMT
#43
ok luckily when you type in "Starcraft Noob" into youtube you find all sorts of videos. I get it now... a lil bit more anyways. The objective of the game seems pretty simple... pulling off the moves not so much. From what I hear beating the computer is a lot easier than beating people online since you can outsmart the computer by doing things like making buildings with just barracks to distract or scare the computer and things of that nature...

Well I'm going to just keep reading up about this online and watching videos until I get the game. Once I get it I'll start the campaign as you guys suggested and I WILL be back to bug you guys with questions. :D Thanks for all of your help.
http://www.StarSlay3r.com
SonuvBob
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Aiur21552 Posts
January 09 2009 06:19 GMT
#44
On January 09 2009 15:17 meegrean wrote:
Finish the whole campaign first. Would probably take about a week or two 3 days. Then choose a race (probably Protoss) and start practicing vs computer (easier) or online (might get owned 24/7).

Don't underestimate SC's addictiveness. :p
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hugitout
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States379 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 06:22:07
January 09 2009 06:21 GMT
#45
you can download the entire game off of iccups website and play right now:D (at least i think you (still?) can?)
Cobalt
Profile Joined April 2008
United States441 Posts
January 09 2009 06:22 GMT
#46
I'll go ahead and explain the basic tenets of an RTS game so the OP can have a better idea of how things work.

Real-Time Strategy games like Starcraft have one overarching goal: Build up a strong military force, and crush your opponent's force.

But just like in real life, you need certain things in order to build an army. You need facilities in which to train soldiers, centers of command where orders are issued, and above all, the money to pay for all of this. In Starcraft, the money is called "minerals," and they're the blue things you saw that creature bringing back to the base. Those "creatures" are called worker units--their only purpose is to gather minerals so you can get more money and pay for more stuff.

Now, what to do with this money? Well, you need to build up your base. At the start of the game, you'll only be able to build a couple of buildings. Once you have built these couple of buildings however, you'll "unlock" the ability to build more, different buildings. For instance, in order to build a "Factory," you need to have successfully built a "Barracks." There are several levels of this, known as the "tech tree."

But buildings are no good if you can't get soldiers to fight your battles. Specific buildings allow you to produce military units out of them. For instance, you can train rifle-wielding Marines out of the aforementioned "Barracks." You can build tanks out of a "Factory." Every unit has its own uses, and almost all of them are important to the game. To do well, you have to understand what each unit does, and in what situations it is best used. That way, you can create the ideal army to deal with any situation.

That's the underlying method behind how Starcraft works. Get money with worker units, spend that money on buildings, then get military units out of those buildings. Use those units to defeat your enemy. There's much, much, more to this game of course, and lots of subtleties and such that you'll learn in time, but that's the general idea.

I recommend playing through the campaign first, as it will help you get comfortable with how the game plays.
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
January 09 2009 06:23 GMT
#47
On January 09 2009 15:07 StarSlay3r wrote:
I feel sad... I have no clue what's happening. I see lil creatures getting some blue stuff and bringing it back to the base then fighting... and blood... which I know is the "intense" part... and... yeah if he was at least speaking in English I might know what I'm watching. The fact that I am an UBER n00b has just set in. I really don't know ANYTHING about this game. I mean I kinda get that since the 1st dude destroyed all of the other dudes stuff he won... but I don't get everything else.


haha

well that was zerg vs protoss. zerg has all the slimey stuff (creep) and protoss is the other kind of alien.

In starcraft, the goal is to defeat the opponent, which can be done two ways: one, force your opponent to concede (usually by typing gg) and leave, or destroy all their buildings.

In this game TT (the protoss at the 3 o clock position) goes for a very agressive zealot build. Zealots are the protoss' first attacking unit and are very strong. One zealot is equal to 2-4 zerglings (the skinny attacking things that savior gets first to attack with) depending on micro.

An agressive zealot build is fairly popular on that map because of the relatively short rush distances, but mainly because the natural expansion is difficult to take early on. The game develops into an elimination race where both players try and kill all of each other's buildings before the opponent can do the same first. This is why TT (the protoss) hides that pylon. If savior can't find it, TT will eliminate savior before savior can eliminate him.

The point I was trying to put across with that video wasnt neccessarily the strategy or understanding, but just to show the excitement some games can have. If you want more highlights, try searching for pimpest plays on youtube.

If you want english commentaries, I reccomend http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=81099, or the english casting of the gom League http://www.gomtv.net/videos/

there are also many casters on youtube with varying levels of skills. In general, I would trust things said by artosis or tasteless much more than random youtube commentators, but for very basic things, they might work for you. Some youtube commentators are diggity, moletrap, klazart, psyonicreaver (I think thats the name)
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
Ziph
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Netherlands970 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 06:25:23
January 09 2009 06:23 GMT
#48
You can download the game on iccup.com and play on iCCup Servers, this is pretty much where most comparative players play these days. This is also the best place to improve i guess THO it is really hard and you will probably go 5/100 wins/lose at the beginning, but atleast you can start playing

edit:
ugh can't find the download anymore weird =| maybe someone could upload it on Rapidshare or soemthing
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hugitout
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States379 Posts
January 09 2009 06:24 GMT
#49
ya but at D level there is alot of really terrible players, with some basic tips and strategies from us im sure she can pull better then 5/100
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
January 09 2009 06:25 GMT
#50
I'm always up for some games (god, this will be depressing losing against someone who has NEVER played before ;___;)
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ShadowDrgn
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States2497 Posts
January 09 2009 06:26 GMT
#51
The single player campaign is at least a good introduction to the units, tech tree, and abilities (although make sure you patch the game before playing them), but you'll have to unlearn any "strategy" that you picked up while playing it. Having someone teach you in person would be much easier than learning online only, for sure.
Of course, you only live one life, and you make all your mistakes, and learn what not to do, and that’s the end of you.
Ziph
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Netherlands970 Posts
January 09 2009 06:29 GMT
#52
On January 09 2009 15:24 hugitout wrote:
ya but at D level there is alot of really terrible players, with some basic tips and strategies from us im sure she can pull better then 5/100


true, but even D level players have some experience and already know some basics he doesn't even have the game yet
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Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
January 09 2009 06:33 GMT
#53
Be prepared to feel violated the first time your opponent reaver drops you or does a dt rush.
hugitout
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States379 Posts
January 09 2009 06:36 GMT
#54
yeah there is some decent D level i know but mixed in is people who are playing on iccup because its free to play there, and those guys dont have a fucking clue what is going on AT ALL, and if you make public D games more then 5 out of 100 people who join will be this type of person
CDRdude
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States5625 Posts
January 09 2009 06:36 GMT
#55
This is what I think:
  • First, play through at least a little of the single player missions. This will give you a feel for what all of the units do, and how the game flows in general.
  • Next, play the computer a few times on single player, to get a sense of what a normal game is like. (Don't overdo this, the computer doesn't play like a human does)
  • Read a few strategy guides. Teamliquid has a great section of them here.
  • Try watching a few strategic VOD's, the teamliquid youtube channel has some good ones here.
  • Visit iCCup so that you can register and download what's required to get onto their servers. ICCup is basically the best ladder right now. Someone already linked that stuff to you, and you should be able to figure it out anyway.
  • Play games. A lot of games. The average skill level has gone up for 10 years, and it's still rising. You'll lose a lot of games, unless you're some sort of mutant superhuman (which if you are, I won't judge you for it.)
  • If you run into trouble, post in the strategy forum here. (and if you are willing, drop the fact that you're a girl in about half of your threads, and calculate whether the average number of responses changes at all; I'm interested if it would have an effect.)

I hope this helps. Basically, get a feel for the game, then get a feel for the strategy, and then play games like crazy, until you have the mechanics. If you see me on iccup (CDRrules) feel free to message me for a game. For some people, downloading and analyzing replays helps them (BWchart is a very useful replay analyzing tool), some people watch VOD's of professional games to learn from their build orders, and some people study from their own replays. Overall though, I think that the answer is just playing more games. Which is probably why I suck.
Force staff is the best item in the game.
hugitout
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States379 Posts
January 09 2009 06:37 GMT
#56
she should just start on bnet 70% of the people who join my bnet 1v1s have under 70 apm bnet is ez mode with any race
SonuvBob
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Aiur21552 Posts
January 09 2009 06:44 GMT
#57
On January 09 2009 13:40 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
If not because I ask then because of what she is in the gaming world, a celebrity.

I'm sure you'll recall that we don't exactly have the best track record with celebrities here.
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hugitout
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States379 Posts
January 09 2009 06:44 GMT
#58
what has tl ever done to celebrities?
Misrah
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1695 Posts
January 09 2009 06:45 GMT
#59
JUST DON'T PLAY PROTOSS- be zerg.

That way, you can have a crazy awesome powerful female Role motel to look up too!

(You haven't played campaign yet, you don't know who she is *yet* But trust me she is crazy awesome! in that friendly fuzzy zergy kind of way)

GL and have fun!

ohh get used to losing alot in the begging.
A thread vaguely bashing SC2? SWARM ON, LOW POST COUNT BRETHREN! DEFEND THE GLORIOUS GAME THAT IS OUR LIVELIHOOD
StarSlay3r
Profile Joined December 2008
United States50 Posts
January 09 2009 06:47 GMT
#60
lol Thanks for all of your help. :D I have been reading all of your responses and I appreciate the thorough ones. :D Like I said... I'm a noob now but I love to learn and learn quickly. Thanks again!
http://www.StarSlay3r.com
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