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Newbistic
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
China2912 Posts
May 28 2008 08:30 GMT
#101
Why are there people calling for a "private letter." If it's private then you wouldn't fucking know about it, would you? It would be even gayer than that BFF pic if Savior came out aid said "yeah i got private letters from FBH saying he apologizes." Clearly this is the best method of communications and also offers something to the fans.
Logic is Overrated
WingSandrockX
Profile Joined January 2007
Korea (North)1164 Posts
May 28 2008 09:19 GMT
#102
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ForAdun
Profile Joined August 2007
Germany986 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-28 11:06:27
May 28 2008 11:05 GMT
#103
On May 28 2008 17:30 Newbistic wrote:
Why are there people calling for a "private letter." If it's private then you wouldn't fucking know about it, would you? It would be even gayer than that BFF pic if Savior came out aid said "yeah i got private letters from FBH saying he apologizes." Clearly this is the best method of communications and also offers something to the fans.


Aaaaaaaand... what about the idea to talk to Savior and apologize... without cameras...? Mentioned earlier... sounds like the best way to do it imo. Not?
ThE_OsToJiY
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Canada1167 Posts
May 28 2008 12:01 GMT
#104
lol he still bm!
@ostojiy
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7888 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-02 00:37:37
June 02 2008 00:36 GMT
#105
Either he is serious and then even more retard than I thought either the letter is sarcastic and he is just an evil genius.

I'm afraid he is just retard, unfortunately.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
intoyourrainbOW
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States168 Posts
June 02 2008 01:17 GMT
#106
On May 22 2008 08:51 Wala.Revolution wrote:
Hm... As I read in both languages, I felt the nuiance (I think this is the right term, or is it connotations?) of words were little different. I'm not critisizing her translation; I am not good at translating. But to all those who read the English version and said "He's still an ass, etc" I think FBH really meant it in this letter.

But on the last sentence, I think it might be better translated: You should write it not respectfully, because I think 반말 here means more disrespectful than casual.

Also, IMO Savior will be expressionless again when he reads this... isn't he just a cold guy?

To all the Koreans: what is the best translation for 냉정한? I can't quite pick a word that means the same.

Show nested quote +
On May 22 2008 07:07 Sawajiri wrote:
Picking a path and sticking to it is stupid if you come to realize your path was wrong. It's not cool; it's stubborn, in the worst possible way one can be.

Admitting your own faults is what shows true strength and spine.


couldn't have put it better... problem is I'm one of those guys XD



literally 냉정한 would mean cold, rite? well, not cold as in temperature wise or weather wise, etc... but you know what i mean. haha.. though "cold" is used in english to express the same type of sentiment, (e.g. she has a cold personality, she's cold hearted, etc) i think it's too forceful, or too blunt of an expression when it is indeed used in english, which isn't reflected when it's used in korean. i think a better connotation would be detached, in most contexts. in others, it might be translated to frank, callous, blunt, etc. or impartial, unbiased, etc.
Sexe
Profile Joined March 2004
Canada448 Posts
June 02 2008 02:40 GMT
#107
This sounds like a romance...
We are tough, man. We go out to the ice fields and battle murderous polar bears whose only goal in life is to protect their precious cubes of crystalline water. Rt-S.FakeSteve, Canada Pride
goldenkrnboi
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3104 Posts
June 02 2008 03:01 GMT
#108
On May 21 2008 22:57 dinmsab wrote:
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found it on scgg.com.. some fbh quote t-shirt thread.


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i lold
RamenStyle
Profile Joined September 2004
United States1929 Posts
June 02 2008 18:02 GMT
#109
On June 02 2008 10:17 intoyourrainbOW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2008 08:51 Wala.Revolution wrote:
Hm... As I read in both languages, I felt the nuiance (I think this is the right term, or is it connotations?) of words were little different. I'm not critisizing her translation; I am not good at translating. But to all those who read the English version and said "He's still an ass, etc" I think FBH really meant it in this letter.

But on the last sentence, I think it might be better translated: You should write it not respectfully, because I think 반말 here means more disrespectful than casual.

Also, IMO Savior will be expressionless again when he reads this... isn't he just a cold guy?

To all the Koreans: what is the best translation for 냉정한? I can't quite pick a word that means the same.

On May 22 2008 07:07 Sawajiri wrote:
Picking a path and sticking to it is stupid if you come to realize your path was wrong. It's not cool; it's stubborn, in the worst possible way one can be.

Admitting your own faults is what shows true strength and spine.


couldn't have put it better... problem is I'm one of those guys XD



literally 냉정한 would mean cold, rite? well, not cold as in temperature wise or weather wise, etc... but you know what i mean. haha.. though "cold" is used in english to express the same type of sentiment, (e.g. she has a cold personality, she's cold hearted, etc) i think it's too forceful, or too blunt of an expression when it is indeed used in english, which isn't reflected when it's used in korean. i think a better connotation would be detached, in most contexts. in others, it might be translated to frank, callous, blunt, etc. or impartial, unbiased, etc.


It's not cold as in distant, mercyless, careless, cruel or any negative connotation. It's more like cold headed, calm. To make an example, if you watch a rep where you lost an important game 냉정하게, it doesn't mean you watch it with a cold hearted, but more like you watch it with an analytical, calm mindset.
il0seonpurpose
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5638 Posts
June 02 2008 18:04 GMT
#110
That's good, maybe he'll shake hands next time
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
June 02 2008 18:26 GMT
#111
I don't buy it. Every time there's a camera around that guy is hamming it up, he's not the sort to be serious like this. I think this is more mockery by him on a subtle level. The implication is that Savior is now so bad that he needs FBH's sympathy.
For someone of Savior's status who acted so cool and detached to be seen to be losing his cool after getting beaten repeatedly by a clown like FBH is the worst. Do you think he would welcome an apology like this?
FBH continues to be Savior's nemesis and this doesn't change anything only puts more salt in the wound. I think its precisely FBH's ability to get under Savior's skin that makes him keep winning when they play each other. Savior functions best in an unemotional zone and FBH is expert at putting him out of it. This 'apology' is just more ammunition. Another think for Savior to think about instead of focusing in his game.
I'm really looking forward to the day when 마재윤 exacts his sweet revenge.
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
June 02 2008 19:17 GMT
#112
First off, FireBatHero is a gosu, hands down. Whatever you think of him outside the arena, FireBatHero plays some great StarCraft, and he plays it with style.

In regards to this letter, some people here are being way too analytical. FireBatHero probably saw the VOD when Savior stormed off the stage and slammed the back door when he lost again to FBH (not that long ago), and felt really bad. Obviously before he felt it was all in good fun and part of the game, but when he realised how seriously Savior was taking it, and that he was genuinely pissed, he wanted to say sorry.

The fact that it's a public apology doesn't make it any less real. Sports athletes are role models, even in StarCraft. Being the first to apologise and making a legitimate effort to reconcile grudges shows maturity, and it's a good thing for any young people obsessed with FBH (so that they get a good message, instead of just, "be a goofy jackass and that's all there is to life").

Do you think he would welcome an apology like this?

Savior isn't 14 years old. He's a big boy and I'm sure FBH's apology will be enough to make him satisfied with letting bygones be bygones, especially if they go have a drink together or something to talk things out as a result of this letter.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
UmmTheHobo
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States650 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-02 21:55:08
June 02 2008 21:52 GMT
#113
On May 22 2008 18:54 Jayson X wrote:
99% of FBH's assholeness is nothing but the fans imagination.
And that's why FBH is awesome.


That is actually completely true. FireBatHero is now my favorite player evar. I never disliked him, just wasn't attracted to him (ok, that sounds gay. I don't mean it in the homosexual way). Now, I see that he has amazing powers like myself.

Edit: Even if he is responsible for most of his assholeness, he makes nerds mad, and that is the fucking funniest thing in the world.
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Archaic
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States4024 Posts
June 02 2008 22:17 GMT
#114
If this is authentic, Savior will regain confidence, and win another 8 MSLs! GOGO Ma Jae Yoon! I believe.
RamenStyle
Profile Joined September 2004
United States1929 Posts
June 02 2008 22:17 GMT
#115
FBH is very popular in Korea, and has a huge fan base. He is just a showman, and whatever he did to Savior, I don't think it really had an intention to diss him or whatever. The problem is that the snowball grew big and bigger, especially in the TL.net community(I'm guessing around 80% of it hates FBH), but it's not such a big deal in Korea. Of course some people, especially from the Savior fanbase took it in the worst way, but even among MJY fans, there are a lot of people who don't think it was something done to personally disrespect him.

Anyways, I still think this letter was kinda inapropiate and that if he felt like he needed to apologize in case he gave the wrong impression, he should have done it personally and in private. But I guess FBH can't help it. He just loves the spotlight, even more than Zeus.
RamenStyle
Profile Joined September 2004
United States1929 Posts
June 02 2008 22:24 GMT
#116
On June 03 2008 04:17 PsycHOTemplar wrote:
First off, FireBatHero is a gosu, hands down. Whatever you think of him outside the arena, FireBatHero plays some great StarCraft, and he plays it with style.

In regards to this letter, some people here are being way too analytical. FireBatHero probably saw the VOD when Savior stormed off the stage and slammed the back door when he lost again to FBH (not that long ago), and felt really bad. Obviously before he felt it was all in good fun and part of the game, but when he realised how seriously Savior was taking it, and that he was genuinely pissed, he wanted to say sorry.

The fact that it's a public apology doesn't make it any less real. Sports athletes are role models, even in StarCraft. Being the first to apologise and making a legitimate effort to reconcile grudges shows maturity, and it's a good thing for any young people obsessed with FBH (so that they get a good message, instead of just, "be a goofy jackass and that's all there is to life").

Show nested quote +
Do you think he would welcome an apology like this?

Savior isn't 14 years old. He's a big boy and I'm sure FBH's apology will be enough to make him satisfied with letting bygones be bygones, especially if they go have a drink together or something to talk things out as a result of this letter.


I agree. Besides, if Savior was that pissed off, and both being young and living in Korea, they have the perfect way to solve it. First, poktanju competition, and when they get really wasted, go to some back alley and do golmok fighting.
sqwert
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States781 Posts
June 06 2008 21:09 GMT
#117
u kidding me? this letter is a way of provoking savior even more. i bet fbh was laffing as he wrote this.

i like rivalries
if everythings coming your way, youre in the wrong lane. sAviOr 4evar!
Spyder
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
176 Posts
June 06 2008 21:15 GMT
#118
so we now know that savior didnt accept the apology coz he asked much<3 do revenge him
Polemarch
Profile Joined August 2005
Canada1564 Posts
June 06 2008 21:15 GMT
#119
hahah oh yeah I'd forgotten about this. looks like much delivered savior's response.
I BELIEVE IN CAPITAL LETTER PUNISHMENT!!!!!
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
June 08 2008 17:55 GMT
#120
On June 03 2008 04:17 PsycHOTemplar wrote:
First off, FireBatHero is a gosu, hands down. Whatever you think of him outside the arena, FireBatHero plays some great StarCraft, and he plays it with style.

In regards to this letter, some people here are being way too analytical. FireBatHero probably saw the VOD when Savior stormed off the stage and slammed the back door when he lost again to FBH (not that long ago), and felt really bad. Obviously before he felt it was all in good fun and part of the game, but when he realised how seriously Savior was taking it, and that he was genuinely pissed, he wanted to say sorry.

The fact that it's a public apology doesn't make it any less real. Sports athletes are role models, even in StarCraft. Being the first to apologise and making a legitimate effort to reconcile grudges shows maturity, and it's a good thing for any young people obsessed with FBH (so that they get a good message, instead of just, "be a goofy jackass and that's all there is to life").

Show nested quote +
Do you think he would welcome an apology like this?

Savior isn't 14 years old. He's a big boy and I'm sure FBH's apology will be enough to make him satisfied with letting bygones be bygones, especially if they go have a drink together or something to talk things out as a result of this letter.


I think Much's revenge ceremony in his match with FBH, as requested by Savior, shows how completely and utterly wrong you were about this.

If you can't see that FBH deliberately winds people up then your character judgment skills must be pretty poor.

"FireBatHero probably saw the VOD when Savior stormed off the stage and slammed the back door when he lost again to FBH (not that long ago), and felt really bad."

Lol, yeah, right.
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