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jinjin5000
United States1432 Posts
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FlaShFTW
United States10193 Posts
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Master of DalK
Canada1797 Posts
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Elroi
Sweden5595 Posts
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LML
Germany1768 Posts
On August 31 2024 04:35 Elroi wrote: Poor guy... But it was more that he was really unlucky than that he fucked up, right? As the guys watching said: he had to check more than 1 mineral block. There's only 7 SCVs at that point in time is what one said. Mains usually have 9 mineral fields. | ||
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TornadoSteve
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Morti1
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On August 31 2024 13:40 TornadoSteve wrote: I mean if you practice the build, you suppose to know this already. I dont know what he was thinking, probably too much stress. Gypsy also mentioned in the cast that top patch is one of the better patches rate wise. According to him, Rush didnt have the most optimal mining and that saved him. | ||
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Kaal
Djibouti2516 Posts
On August 31 2024 17:40 Morti1 wrote: Gypsy also mentioned in the cast that top patch is one of the better patches rate wise. According to him, Rush didnt have the most optimal mining and that saved him. It's absolutely true, Rush wasn't microing his mining efficiently. That patch is the 2rd most efficient patch. It makes what happened so much better. Rush's ass saved by his laziness. | ||
Peeano
Netherlands5127 Posts
On August 31 2024 18:00 Kaal wrote: It's absolutely true, Rush wasn't microing his mining efficiently. That patch is the 2rd most efficient patch. It makes what happened so much better. Rush's ass saved by his laziness. Thanks guys. I woulda liked to see one of the pros comment on this in the video, but I guess it didn't make the cut? Motive's prepared cheese build was super stinky. He was just unlucky af that game. | ||
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Peeano
Netherlands5127 Posts
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Peeano
Netherlands5127 Posts
First of all what does Rain know about cheese? lol Come on now. That's just a typical League player boasting. Secondly, even funnier: he is wrong, because there were 8 workers already when the probe reached the base, not 7. But let's say there were 7 workers, then Motive should have checked 3 mineral fields to get 100% confirmation, not 2. Finally if Rain actually already knew all that, he would have said it as the observer was showing 1500 minerals. Not only is Rain overrated, he also acts overrated  | ||
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Simplistik
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TMNT
2831 Posts
On August 31 2024 19:17 Simplistik wrote: I'd love to hear more on why the double-gate doesn't work at 3 o'clock. Not enough space? Think because of the gas position. If Terran takes his gas early, when the SCV randomly slips over the top to build it'd see the proxy. At 7 o'clock he would have proxy at the top right corner of the base and unless Terran actively looks for it, there's no reason for an SCV to wander there. | ||
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Peeano
Netherlands5127 Posts
On August 31 2024 19:17 Simplistik wrote: I'd love to hear more on why the double-gate doesn't work at 3 o'clock. Not enough space? Nah, there is space. I imagine that cannon actually can hit the gas with the diagonal? And if not he can build another to hit both the top mineral(s) and gas. Then there would be 0 tech for Rush and you can build cans at home to defend vs a counter, so it's better than 2 gate. | ||
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TornadoSteve
1068 Posts
On August 31 2024 19:11 Peeano wrote: Rain's comment is just using the situation to his advantage to look smart on stream.*Oh, did I just count 7 workers and 9 patches earlier? Let me do 9-7=2 and impress my viewers.* First of all what does Rain know about cheese? lol Come on now. That's just a typical League player boasting. Secondly, even funnier: he is wrong, because there were 8 workers already when the probe reached the base, not 7. But let's say there were 7 workers, then Motive should have checked 3 mineral fields to get 100% confirmation, not 2. Finally if Rain actually already knew all that, he would have said it as the observer was showing 1500 minerals. Not only is Rain overrated, he also acts overrated Come on, are you serious ? I get that Rain is over-rated, and i totally agree. But blame the translation or may be he did not express clearly, but saying that Rain doesnt understand what was going on is completely ridiculous. | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands949 Posts
On August 31 2024 19:35 Peeano wrote: Nah, there is space. I imagine that cannon actually can hit the gas with the diagonal? And if not he can build another to hit both the top mineral(s) and gas. Then there would be 0 tech for Rush and you can build cans at home to defend vs a counter, so it's better than 2 gate. The cannon can't hit. The cannon's 2 range out. the cannon's there to establish the position for the next cannon, which will hit top mineral and gas. ps: I did not place the next cannons where motive would, just to demonstrate the range. ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/kJhPVIB.png) ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/rd51kf6.png) | ||
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jinjin5000
United States1432 Posts
On August 31 2024 19:11 Peeano wrote: Rain's comment is just using the situation to his advantage to look smart on stream.*Oh, did I just count 7 workers and 9 patches earlier? Let me do 9-7=2 and impress my viewers.* First of all what does Rain know about cheese? lol Come on now. That's just a typical League player boasting. Secondly, even funnier: he is wrong, because there were 8 workers already when the probe reached the base, not 7. But let's say there were 7 workers, then Motive should have checked 3 mineral fields to get 100% confirmation, not 2. Finally if Rain actually already knew all that, he would have said it as the observer was showing 1500 minerals. Not only is Rain overrated, he also acts overrated ???? other progamers have said same thing as rain, Knowing theres certain amount of worker at that timing isn't something impressive | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19262 Posts
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gingerfluffmuffnr2
107 Posts
On August 31 2024 22:55 BisuDagger wrote: Bisu’s laugh was killer lolol. At least he didn’t cry on tv or even flinch. Motive earned my respect. I hope Light wont torment him too much. Fking BW still delivers in 2024 Shout out to Nyoken and Gypsy and rest for the amazing cast | ||
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Teacher-X17
17 Posts
He left this one with more questions than answers haha. | ||
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Peeano
Netherlands5127 Posts
On August 31 2024 20:54 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote: The cannon can't hit. The cannon's 2 range out. the cannon's there to establish the position for the next cannon, which will hit top mineral and gas. ps: I did not place the next cannons where motive would, just to demonstrate the range. Thanks for checking! Too bad we couldn't see the scenario play out out as planned. Although then we wouldn't have all this entertainment ^^ | ||
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Peeano
Netherlands5127 Posts
On August 31 2024 20:15 TornadoSteve wrote: Come on, are you serious ? I get that Rain is over-rated, and i totally agree. But blame the translation or may be he did not express clearly, but saying that Rain doesnt understand what was going on is completely ridiculous. For simplicity sake I trust the translation is correct. It's possible Rain misspoke of course. I'm just making some fun of him. However it doesn't mean what Rain said isn't wrong tho. | ||
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Yaqoob
Canada3333 Posts
On August 31 2024 19:11 Peeano wrote: Rain's comment is just using the situation to his advantage to look smart on stream.*Oh, did I just count 7 workers and 9 patches earlier? Let me do 9-7=2 and impress my viewers.* First of all what does Rain know about cheese? lol Come on now. That's just a typical League player boasting. Secondly, even funnier: he is wrong, because there were 8 workers already when the probe reached the base, not 7. But let's say there were 7 workers, then Motive should have checked 3 mineral fields to get 100% confirmation, not 2. Finally if Rain actually already knew all that, he would have said it as the observer was showing 1500 minerals. Not only is Rain overrated, he also acts overrated I guess Rain misspoke about the 7 workers thing but Rain does know some stuff about cheese. He did the same thing against Last in Season 7 of ASL on a 3-player map except without a forge. The video starts at the beginning of the Rain vs Last "cheese" game. | ||
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sophisticated
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jinjin5000
United States1432 Posts
On September 01 2024 02:12 Yaqoob wrote: I guess Rain misspoke about the 7 workers thing but Rain does know some stuff about cheese. He did the same thing against Last in Season 7 of ASL on a 3-player map except without a forge. The video starts at the beginning of the Rain vs Last "cheese" game. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPLSoFyVjes&t=4186s he fumbles over 7 or 8 workers but he mentions about his own game during stream, I just cut it out due to video getting way too long | ||
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sophisticated
58 Posts
Additionally to all that, it's hard not to laugh about it because it's just funny. Plus it's such a random subtle thing to happen. So many conflicting feelings about this as an onwatcher. Solid gold. | ||
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Volka
Argentina410 Posts
It was extremely risky to rely on one mineral patch to determine your opponent's position. He paid for it, and gave us a hilarious game. | ||
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sophisticated
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Navane
Netherlands2748 Posts
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4205 Posts
Thanks a lot for the translation! Hilarious stuff. | ||
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Peeano
Netherlands5127 Posts
On September 02 2024 16:12 Navane wrote: What I don't get, if you think that he is at three o clock it, it doesn't cost anything to keep checking patches in the bottom base. There is no chance of your probe being seen. You're fighting an uphill battle economically, so you want the probe to go home asap to go gather. The cost is your cheese being weaker and/or your transition out of it. | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands949 Posts
On September 02 2024 18:46 Peeano wrote: You're fighting an uphill battle economically, so you want the probe to go home asap to go gather. The cost is your cheese being weaker and/or your transition out of it. Plus scouting SCV will come out. and if the timing of your probe being there does not match with what the possible timings should be, or if its just standing there going back and forth you're giving off the impression something odd is happening. | ||
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Lazyer
United States352 Posts
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jinjin5000
United States1432 Posts
This was supposed to be part of video but was part of clips that got cut out because video got way too long | ||
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End1ess
Canada73 Posts
On September 02 2024 23:09 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote: Plus scouting SCV will come out. and if the timing of your probe being there does not match with what the possible timings should be, or if its just standing there going back and forth you're giving off the impression something odd is happening. @Peeano Did you watch the video above? Rain double confirm on the empty base. Takes less than 1 sec 2 clicks. @RJBTVYOUTUBE Unless Rush 8rax into scout, there is 0 chance will be seen. Dont forget it's Motive's first ASL possible first time in this type of big stage. | ||
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Emnjay808
United States10657 Posts
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Timebon3s
Norway702 Posts
Hahaha had to watch again, it’s so fun watching Mind hype up this build, saying he helped him optimize it and everything, and then is like “you dumb fuck” :D | ||
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Titusmaster6
United States5937 Posts
The vulture getting into the main was truly ee han timing | ||
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iopq
United States949 Posts
On September 01 2024 03:06 Volka wrote: I find hard to believe that if the top mineral is better for mining, Rush wouldn't use it from the start. Also pros mention that Motive should have checked two minerals patches, but can you really pull that off without being spotted? I doubt it. It was extremely risky to rely on one mineral patch to determine your opponent's position. He paid for it, and gave us a hilarious game. I find it even more hard to believe people didn't test the speed at which it mines I got 65.5 minerals/min which makes it a bad mineral to mine, but actually not the worst #9, #3 are worse at about 65 #2 is 64 #4 is 62.5 | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands949 Posts
On September 12 2024 18:32 iopq wrote: I find it even more hard to believe people didn't test the speed at which it mines I got 65.5 minerals/min which makes it a bad mineral to mine, but actually not the worst #9, #3 are worse at about 65 #2 is 64 #4 is 62.5 exactly. Rush should have been mining it because its better than 4 other patches. | ||
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