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Ferneu
11 Posts
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Mutaller
United States1051 Posts
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FlaShFTW
United States10382 Posts
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castleeMg
Canada786 Posts
On May 24 2024 05:37 Mutaller wrote: @11:21 certainly looks like a win condition before he pulls back. I can only assume that he is thinking his opponent has been making workers and teching rather than following up with cannons. I do think he sends SCVs back to get his eco moving again, and he's afraid his damaged 5 marines will be lost to zealots alone Basically this, he read his opponent horribly wrong. For some reason he was convinced it was either tech or an expand, he had no scout to confirm his opponents main. It’s pretty hard to believe as a pro gamer he let his opponent kill him with the same rush that he completely shutdown. | ||
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bovienchien
Vietnam1152 Posts
I am the one of the best players in Vietnam, I can explain and tell something for you. Terran only destroys Gates, Pylons in inside or near his main when Gates have not completed yet. So when he saw 2 the Gates were completed, he pulled scv came back the Mineral line was right 100%. Of course you can ask me, the game would be good for Terran if the Pylon was killed. No, Protoss just needed to build 2 Pylons to buy Zealots non stop. And then Terran would die sooner than the game you watched. Something I tell you 1. If Protoss are discovered the strategy of Proxy like that. The game looks like balance at that time even Protoss can't kill any units of Terran, Protoss just starts game normal with advantage from economic. Terran still will die but slower. 2. Proxy Pylon should be ban in the professional leagues. Proxy Pylon always bring advantage for Protoss too much. This's why no one Terran wants to play TvP in 2 players maps. 3. The Namja Iyagi map is one of the best map in history of StarCraft. if it's no Namja Iyagi we also have no Chupung-Ryeong, Harmony, Return of the King... maps. 4. I wish we will have some nice maps like Namja Iyagi in 2024. | ||
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Jealous
10314 Posts
On May 24 2024 16:11 bovienchien wrote: If you are gosu, you will know why he did it. I am the one of the best players in Vietnam, I can explain and tell something for you. Terran only destroys Gates, Pylons in inside or near his main when Gates have not completed yet. So when he saw 2 the Gates were completed, he pulled scv came back the Mineral line was right 100%. Of course you can ask me, the game would be good for Terran if the Pylon was killed. No, Protoss just needed to build 2 Pylons to buy Zealots non stop. And then Terran would die sooner than the game you watched. Something I tell you 1. If Protoss are discovered the strategy of Proxy like that. The game looks like balance at that time even Protoss can't kill any units of Terran, Protoss just starts game normal with advantage from economic. Terran still will die but slower. 2. Proxy Pylon should be ban in the professional leagues. Proxy Pylon always bring advantage for Protoss too much. This's why no one Terran wants to play TvP in 2 players maps. 3. The Namja Iyagi map is one of the best map in history of StarCraft. if it's no Namja Iyagi we also have no Chupung-Ryeong, Harmony, Return of the King... maps. 4. I wish we will have some nice maps like Namja Iyagi in 2024. Gotta love the self-awareness here <3 | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4410 Posts
wasn't the issue pulling the marines instead of pulling the scvs, why he didn't kill the pylon with the marines is a mystery.Tank would have safely exited if the pylon was destroyed. | ||
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XenOsky
Chile2356 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + obv not talking bout nada boxer oov kind of terrans... im talking Silent_control, Sync, Chrh, Lee, kind of terrans | ||
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Evilbringer
Czech Republic84 Posts
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Piste
6183 Posts
The second mistake Terran did was his bunker placement. | ||
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CHEONSOYUN
573 Posts
the probe will just make another pylon and repower the gateways. if the first zealot is able to come out vs a committed scv pull on the gateways it's almost always a loss; sometimes it is better to not pull and maximize mineral mining if the pull will come too late to prevent a zealot popping out. | ||
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BulgarianToss
Bulgaria491 Posts
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands1215 Posts
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Ferneu
11 Posts
I can totally see Silent_Control, (terran) having simply made a mistake. If we were talking about humans here. Those Korean robots do not make mistakes. They may throw a game here and there because of betting, but they do not make mistakes! Joking aside, the reason I found that move so odd was because, that early in the game, when he saw that Zeus (protoss) had built two gateways there, one would assume protoss had committed everything he had in that move, so the moment that pylon was destroyed, he would be done. And even if the probe tried to build another one, Silent_Control would have all the time in the world to destroy the new one too before it could power-up those Gateways. And Zeus seems to have thought the same. We can even see him reacting when then SCVs start attacking the pylon near the 9:30 mark. When one of those Korean machines express any sort of emotion during those stupid close-ups they love so much to make, you know things are bad, A couple of you said he should have gone for the gateways instead of the pylon. Not sure I agree with that. Wouldn't that take way longer than simply removing their power supply? By the time one of those gateways was destroyed the base would be full of zealots. I think. Then again, what do I know. For now I'm sticking to the "he made a mistake" theory. PS: terran is OP. There. I said it. | ||
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bovienchien
Vietnam1152 Posts
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jinjin5000
United States1497 Posts
On May 24 2024 16:11 bovienchien wrote: If you are gosu, you will know why he did it. I am the one of the best players in Vietnam, I can explain and tell something for you. Terran only destroys Gates, Pylons in inside or near his main when Gates have not completed yet. So when he saw 2 the Gates were completed, he pulled scv came back the Mineral line was right 100%. Of course you can ask me, the game would be good for Terran if the Pylon was killed. No, Protoss just needed to build 2 Pylons to buy Zealots non stop. And then Terran would die sooner than the game you watched. Something I tell you 1. If Protoss are discovered the strategy of Proxy like that. The game looks like balance at that time even Protoss can't kill any units of Terran, Protoss just starts game normal with advantage from economic. Terran still will die but slower. 2. Proxy Pylon should be ban in the professional leagues. Proxy Pylon always bring advantage for Protoss too much. This's why no one Terran wants to play TvP in 2 players maps. 3. The Namja Iyagi map is one of the best map in history of StarCraft. if it's no Namja Iyagi we also have no Chupung-Ryeong, Harmony, Return of the King... maps. 4. I wish we will have some nice maps like Namja Iyagi in 2024. you are fucking D rank man. | ||
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Sva3
19 Posts
What's wrong with D rank man? You wouldn't say that to me at LAN. | ||
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FT.aCt)Sony
United States1048 Posts
On May 26 2024 04:47 Sva3 wrote: What's wrong with D rank man? You wouldn't say that to me at LAN. Rofl Sva coming out here flexing. | ||
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jinjin5000
United States1497 Posts
On May 26 2024 04:47 Sva3 wrote: What's wrong with D rank man? You wouldn't say that to me at LAN. I will at next lan before i get blasted by all the TvT. Just you wait | ||
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XenOsky
Chile2356 Posts
SAVAGE | ||
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Piste
6183 Posts
On May 25 2024 06:21 Ferneu wrote: Joking aside, the reason I found that move so odd was because, that early in the game, when he saw that Zeus (protoss) had built two gateways thewre, one would assume protoss had committed everything he had in that move, so the moment that pylon was destroyed, he would be done. And even if the probe tried to build another one, Silent_Control would have all the time in the world to destroy the new one too before it could power-up those Gateways. No, never attack the pylon bro, it never works unless the probe is dead. Prove can build as many pylons simultaneously that is needed. Check out some games where Terran defends proxy gates properly. | ||
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Ferneu
11 Posts
On May 25 2024 07:48 bovienchien wrote: Let's look at I vs the best player of Vietnam all time (aka proA.ThuocLao). You will see right actions But weren't we discussing a way for terran to win? That video shows how to lose faster. Unless... that was your intention! Then it was funny  No, never attack the pylon bro, it never works unless the probe is dead. Prove can build as many pylons simultaneously that is needed. Check out some games where Terran defends proxy gates properly. Hummm... interesting. If the SCVs destroyed that pylon, those 2 gateways would remain unpowered (is that a word?) until a new pylon spawns, right? So no zealots for a while. Not sure how much minerals protoss had at that moment, but I guess it wasn't much. That probe could probably start building a couple more pylons there, but I think the SCVs and the marines could probably kill both the probes and whatever pylons were being built before any of them had time to be fully built. And marines being cheaper and faster to "build" than a pylon, I think terran would be able to win the race. We need a "scenario" mode where you guys can show me a couple of strategies to deal with that situation (or why destroying the pylon wouldn't work) | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26692 Posts
Oof | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands1215 Posts
On May 26 2024 05:02 jinjin5000 wrote: I will at next lan before i get blasted by all the TvT. Just you wait believe in yourself! you will survive the TvT! | ||
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