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Whats up with the SD version in starcraft remaster

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Leonix
Profile Joined June 2019
161 Posts
December 21 2023 15:10 GMT
#1
I played a bit one of the old broodwar version of the game, and it has water animations and looks a lot better, than the SD version of remastered...

I get that the SD version is basicly a inferior version of Broodwar, be it for whatever reason, even putting it into window mode in a similar configuration to the orginal doesnt seem to get you the same quality...

Is it something about my settings or are there really no water animations in SD version of remastered ?
Mutaller
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
United States1051 Posts
December 21 2023 16:30 GMT
#2
As many have suspected, blizzard made the standard graphics worse than what the old 1.16 version had to increase sales. I agree that it is worse, especially when I watch something from the first ASL which is very good quality.

ASL graphics example 1.16
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"To practice isn't for you to get better now in the present. Practice will never betray you and will always come back for you in the future." -Jaedong
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3691 Posts
December 21 2023 16:42 GMT
#3
Its insane how much worse they made the old graphics look in remastered. Only reason I even use new graphics.
Only thing they added when people complained was a slider, which makes everything look super blurry...
WGT-Baal
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
France3466 Posts
December 21 2023 16:58 GMT
#4
At release there was also some terrible optimization that would basically max out your cpu (or GPU, can't remember) in certain conditions
Horang2 fan
KameZerg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden1769 Posts
December 21 2023 17:46 GMT
#5
Such a fraud move, positive thing is shieldbattery has SD graphics improvements in their pipeline. Blizz ruins, community devs fixes ^·^.
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Comedy
Profile Joined March 2016
469 Posts
December 21 2023 18:28 GMT
#6
On December 22 2023 02:46 KameZerg wrote:
Such a fraud move, positive thing is shieldbattery has SD graphics improvements in their pipeline. Blizz ruins, community devs fixes ^·^.


If only people played on sb :|
MeSaber
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden1235 Posts
December 21 2023 18:49 GMT
#7
On December 22 2023 02:46 KameZerg wrote:
Such a fraud move, positive thing is shieldbattery has SD graphics improvements in their pipeline. Blizz ruins, community devs fixes ^·^.


To be fair the HD version is very worth the small investment.
-.-
Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
December 21 2023 19:37 GMT
#8
When i switched from 1.16 to Remaster my old PC couldnt support HD.
BOY was i pissed ^^
Broodwar for life!
Leonix
Profile Joined June 2019
161 Posts
December 21 2023 21:10 GMT
#9
Ok guys, all nice to dwell in nostalgia and ride bandwagons, but what about the water animations xddd?
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5354 Posts
December 21 2023 23:05 GMT
#10
On December 22 2023 04:37 Cele wrote:
When i switched from 1.16 to Remaster my old PC couldnt support HD.
BOY was i pissed ^^

This. No longer pissed, but still disappointed none the less.
FBH #1!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5354 Posts
December 21 2023 23:08 GMT
#11
On December 22 2023 06:10 Leonix wrote:
Ok guys, all nice to dwell in nostalgia and ride bandwagons, but what about the water animations xddd?

There are no boats or submarines in BW, so no1 cares about the water animations.
FBH #1!
Leonix
Profile Joined June 2019
161 Posts
December 22 2023 02:23 GMT
#12
On December 22 2023 08:08 Peeano wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2023 06:10 Leonix wrote:
Ok guys, all nice to dwell in nostalgia and ride bandwagons, but what about the water animations xddd?

There are no boats or submarines in BW, so no1 cares about the water animations.

You are kidding ? This is like the borders of hearts of iron 4, its breaks the illusion...
Further, i find it quite strange that the previous versions of starcraft had water animations, while for me at least Starcraft Remastered SD F5 version doesnt seem to have it ...
tec27
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States3702 Posts
December 22 2023 04:15 GMT
#13
On December 22 2023 11:23 Leonix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2023 08:08 Peeano wrote:
On December 22 2023 06:10 Leonix wrote:
Ok guys, all nice to dwell in nostalgia and ride bandwagons, but what about the water animations xddd?

There are no boats or submarines in BW, so no1 cares about the water animations.

You are kidding ? This is like the borders of hearts of iron 4, its breaks the illusion...
Further, i find it quite strange that the previous versions of starcraft had water animations, while for me at least Starcraft Remastered SD F5 version doesnt seem to have it ...

You probably have the option turned off. Check "Enable Color Cycling" (under the 'Game' options, for god knows what reason, since this only pertains to a graphical effect). That's how water animations were implemented in BW: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_cycling
Can you jam with the console cowboys in cyberspace?
AleXoundOS
Profile Joined January 2011
Georgia458 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-12-22 09:34:54
December 22 2023 09:30 GMT
#14
It seems the problem with SD image quality comes from software anti-aliasing introduced in SC:R. Whereas 1.16 forced monitor to change resolution mode to 640x480, thus monitor's hardware anti-aliasing means were used.
The issue is that even if monitor resolution is already 640x480, SC:R still applies anti-aliasing for no reason! I hope Rust code in ShieldBattery will address this issue at some point.

PS.
The best visual experience is by far with an old CRT monitor with fake progressive scan (by only drawing even or odd lines) and natural scaling without a need for anti-aliasing on the CRT tube (be it software or hardware).
https://bwapi.github.io - An API for interacting with Starcraft: Broodwar (1.16.1)
Leonix
Profile Joined June 2019
161 Posts
December 22 2023 16:46 GMT
#15
On December 22 2023 13:15 tec27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2023 11:23 Leonix wrote:
On December 22 2023 08:08 Peeano wrote:
On December 22 2023 06:10 Leonix wrote:
Ok guys, all nice to dwell in nostalgia and ride bandwagons, but what about the water animations xddd?

There are no boats or submarines in BW, so no1 cares about the water animations.

You are kidding ? This is like the borders of hearts of iron 4, its breaks the illusion...
Further, i find it quite strange that the previous versions of starcraft had water animations, while for me at least Starcraft Remastered SD F5 version doesnt seem to have it ...

You probably have the option turned off. Check "Enable Color Cycling" (under the 'Game' options, for god knows what reason, since this only pertains to a graphical effect). That's how water animations were implemented in BW: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_cycling



Thx, you are right.
Leonix
Profile Joined June 2019
161 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-12-22 16:58:09
December 22 2023 16:57 GMT
#16
On December 22 2023 18:30 AleXoundOS wrote:
It seems the problem with SD image quality comes from software anti-aliasing introduced in SC:R. Whereas 1.16 forced monitor to change resolution mode to 640x480, thus monitor's hardware anti-aliasing means were used.
The issue is that even if monitor resolution is already 640x480, SC:R still applies anti-aliasing for no reason! I hope Rust code in ShieldBattery will address this issue at some point.

PS.
The best visual experience is by far with an old CRT monitor with fake progressive scan (by only drawing even or odd lines) and natural scaling without a need for anti-aliasing on the CRT tube (be it software or hardware).

thx, yeah seems tough to get the Broodwar + Remastered experience with 16 aspect ration full screen without weird stretching. Bad that, i got rid of our farvouriteCRT Monitor some years ago...
I mean even if you get the pixelated look, the buildings still have this special look to them from the original.
Not even talking about the different colors between SCR and broodwar. One more real, gritty,disgusting, while the other more like bright colors, baby cartoon...
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3691 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-12-26 22:35:07
December 26 2023 12:50 GMT
#17
Still looks daft if you use an old CRT and put it on 640x480 in windows btw.

Another thing I noticed is that the Mac Version of remastered still looks fine in sd. So I suppose whatever Blizzard fucked up has something to do with upgrading to a newer directx version for the Windows version of remastered.
Here is a screenshot running the current remastered version on a macbook using the sd graphics:
[image loading]
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4404 Posts
December 26 2023 13:03 GMT
#18
On December 22 2023 03:49 MeSaber wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2023 02:46 KameZerg wrote:
Such a fraud move, positive thing is shieldbattery has SD graphics improvements in their pipeline. Blizz ruins, community devs fixes ^·^.


To be fair the HD version is very worth the small investment.

It is worth it for the widescreen support alone, Yeah it would be nice if the old graphics were how they were in 1.16.1 but they'd still be in 4:3.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
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