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On December 13 2023 12:36 Rus_Brain wrote:It is quite evident to me that those undersigned were well aware of ZZZero's presence in Phuket until this week's end, engaged in a demanding schedule to provide top-tier content to a multi-hundred audience. Nevertheless, there appeared to be a desire to divert ZZZero's attention to satisfy the demands of a vocal minority seeking a statement. When an immediate response was not forthcoming, they publicly addressed the matter without affording ZZZero an opportunity to clarify. The act of plotting behind one's back raises genuine concerns regarding integrity. I myself took note of the ongoing discussions regarding the Rapid rage topic on this forum. In response, I chose to shield ZZZero from this discourse for a few compelling reasons: Firstly, I sought to prevent any distractions that might impede his commitment to delivering online content. I offered him the option of refraining from casting this tournament from the very beginning, however, ZZZero is a man of his word, and he proceeded with the online cast as he comitted years ago. Secondly, I aimed to safeguard ZZZero's emotional well-being and overall mood, unti at least he transit from the warmth of Phuket to the harsh winter in Poland. While I do hold in high regard the combined collective represented in this platform, it appears that some may lack firsthand experience in organizing events of such a scale, let alone offline tournaments. One must question the basis for calling for someone's removal solely on the grounds of criticism in a forum. The offline segment of the tournament fell under my purview, with Rapid providing valuable support by facilitating the participation of Sharp and offering outstanding photography services, among other contributions. It would be a misjudgment to conclude that acknowledging this part of the statement absolves Rapid of any responsibility for his past actions. However, making these past actions public can serve as a means of accountability, at least until such actions might potentially recur. Let me now consider the situation from an alternative perspective. Suppose, for the sake of argument, that every facet of the event was ZZZero's sole responsibility. In such a scenario, overlooking Rapid's involvement as a caster could be viewed as a form of negligence. Having had the privilege of collaborating with some of you in the past, however, I am aware that certain individuals have displayed a level of neglect in fulfilling their responsibilities that could have warranted legal action. In comparison, ZZZero's lapses appear far less severe. In the words of the Bible, as found in Matthew 7:1 Show nested quote +"Do not judge, or you too will be judged."
"For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."
"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?" it is essential to reflect upon our own actions before casting judgment upon others. As for matters of finance, let us not forget that, in the grand scheme of existence, money is but a fleeting concern. When we depart this world, our possessions will hold no sway. And for those who may have missed it, Geoff, at the very least, has departed during the time from the 20th Anniversary to the 25th Anniversary. Let us strive for understanding, empathy, and unity in our interactions, both online and offline.
All right you guys made me actually create a TL account again ffs.
Lets get a few things clear, Zero is an adult who's name is invariably associated with the BSL name. And while he and the BSL are not completely clean of controversy themselves he has had a decent track record overall. Hiding potentially damaging conversations from him is just absurd and only causes to potentially harm him and the BSL as a whole.
Secondly, BSL is far from the most well organized foreigner event, and certainly not top tier when compared to major tournaments of any other esport. In fact it is on the lower end of the spectrum in my opinion, and many of the non cash prize BW tournaments are vastly more well organized and managed. what it has is an actual cash prize pool, a history, and foreign pro players. BSL is not special, BSL is not the greatest thing to ever happen to starcraft. This does not mean if the day comes that the BSL no longer exists it won't matter, because it will. Having a legitimate pro scene is good for BW as a whole and losing that would be difficult on the scene.
And lastly, as someone who has hosted large online events and offline events in the past, many of which were much larger than BSL, though only because BW does have a much smaller community getting people in seats is a much more difficult. Getting your staff plans is part of the planning process. Unless your claiming the premier foreign tournament that the god king Zero so graciously bestows on us was just hoping someone in the audience wanted to step up and cast like we are still in 2004.
At the end of the day, I support the decision of every single person who signed this. Until an official statement is made by the BSL I think they are making the correct call. Most of these organizers work full time jobs and provide these events for free taking time out of their own schedule for no pay off other than helping keep a game they love alive. Some of them even take money out of their own pockets in this economy to try to afford some incentive for better competition. They are fully in the right to separate their events from a brewing scandal that has not been addressed in any official capacity.
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Is Qikz running STPL again?
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On December 13 2023 16:49 kogeT wrote:
Is Qikz running STPL again?
I wish! ^_._^
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On December 13 2023 12:36 Rus_Brain wrote:It is quite evident to me that those undersigned were well aware of ZZZero's presence in Phuket until this week's end, engaged in a demanding schedule to provide top-tier content to a multi-hundred audience. Nevertheless, there appeared to be a desire to divert ZZZero's attention to satisfy the demands of a vocal minority seeking a statement. When an immediate response was not forthcoming, they publicly addressed the matter without affording ZZZero an opportunity to clarify. The act of plotting behind one's back raises genuine concerns regarding integrity. I myself took note of the ongoing discussions regarding the Rapid rage topic on this forum. In response, I chose to shield ZZZero from this discourse for a few compelling reasons: Firstly, I sought to prevent any distractions that might impede his commitment to delivering online content. I offered him the option of refraining from casting this tournament from the very beginning, however, ZZZero is a man of his word, and he proceeded with the online cast as he comitted years ago. Secondly, I aimed to safeguard ZZZero's emotional well-being and overall mood, unti at least he transit from the warmth of Phuket to the harsh winter in Poland. While I do hold in high regard the combined collective represented in this platform, it appears that some may lack firsthand experience in organizing events of such a scale, let alone offline tournaments. One must question the basis for calling for someone's removal solely on the grounds of criticism in a forum. The offline segment of the tournament fell under my purview, with Rapid providing valuable support by facilitating the participation of Sharp and offering outstanding photography services, among other contributions. It would be a misjudgment to conclude that acknowledging this part of the statement absolves Rapid of any responsibility for his past actions. However, making these past actions public can serve as a means of accountability, at least until such actions might potentially recur. Let me now consider the situation from an alternative perspective. Suppose, for the sake of argument, that every facet of the event was ZZZero's sole responsibility. In such a scenario, overlooking Rapid's involvement as a caster could be viewed as a form of negligence. Having had the privilege of collaborating with some of you in the past, however, I am aware that certain individuals have displayed a level of neglect in fulfilling their responsibilities that could have warranted legal action. In comparison, ZZZero's lapses appear far less severe. In the words of the Bible, as found in Matthew 7:1 Show nested quote +"Do not judge, or you too will be judged."
"For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."
"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?" it is essential to reflect upon our own actions before casting judgment upon others. As for matters of finance, let us not forget that, in the grand scheme of existence, money is but a fleeting concern. When we depart this world, our possessions will hold no sway. And for those who may have missed it, Geoff, at the very least, has departed during the time from the 20th Anniversary to the 25th Anniversary. Let us strive for understanding, empathy, and unity in our interactions, both online and offline.
"However, making these past actions public can serve as a means of accountability, at least until such actions might potentially recur."
Rapid didn't make his past actions public, his accusers did. Rapid has taken zero accountability for anything. He's demonstrated repeated sexual misconduct and creepy behavior to many women throughout multiple gaming communities over a long period of time. He has never addressed them and has never taken responsibility or accountability.
Also, why are you mentioning Geoff? He wouldn't agree with you here. In fact, he would most likely vocally tell you that having an accused sexual predator represent the top foreigner tournament in any capacity is a mistake. I'm telling you that as well. It was a mistake. Now take some accountability, apologize and do better. Trying to justify it is simply stubborn and stupid.
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On December 13 2023 12:36 Rus_Brain wrote:
As for matters of finance, let us not forget that, in the grand scheme of existence, money is but a fleeting concern. When we depart this world, our possessions will hold no sway. And for those who may have missed it, Geoff, at the very least, has departed during the time from the 20th Anniversary to the 25th Anniversary.
Bringing up Geoff's name in a post full of gross gibberish is just outrageous. What the hell are you doing, man.
It's hard to believe someone actually typed that.
Icky cretins don't need empathy, "forgiveness" or some kind of larger than life soliloquy advocating their return to an 25-year old computer game. There are plenty of other things to do in life, and never being in the public eye of the Starcraft scene again is the most minuscule, but necessary consequence.
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If only the female victims could’ve been shielded by such a positive force, but it’s good that an adult male could enjoy such courtesy. Promoting an individual BSL had previously, publicly denounced is quite confusing. How wonderful that you could make use of his outstanding photography services. Amazing!
Our community may be small, but it does not forget so easily.
I’ll thank you to leave my dear friend Geoff’s name out of this conversation in future, for it is highly inappropriate to mention him as part of a defense in this matter. Let him rest.
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+ Show Spoiler +On December 13 2023 12:36 Rus_Brain wrote:It is quite evident to me that those undersigned were well aware of ZZZero's presence in Phuket until this week's end, engaged in a demanding schedule to provide top-tier content to a multi-hundred audience. Nevertheless, there appeared to be a desire to divert ZZZero's attention to satisfy the demands of a vocal minority seeking a statement. When an immediate response was not forthcoming, they publicly addressed the matter without affording ZZZero an opportunity to clarify. The act of plotting behind one's back raises genuine concerns regarding integrity. I myself took note of the ongoing discussions regarding the Rapid rage topic on this forum. In response, I chose to shield ZZZero from this discourse for a few compelling reasons: Firstly, I sought to prevent any distractions that might impede his commitment to delivering online content. I offered him the option of refraining from casting this tournament from the very beginning, however, ZZZero is a man of his word, and he proceeded with the online cast as he comitted years ago. Secondly, I aimed to safeguard ZZZero's emotional well-being and overall mood, unti at least he transit from the warmth of Phuket to the harsh winter in Poland. While I do hold in high regard the combined collective represented in this platform, it appears that some may lack firsthand experience in organizing events of such a scale, let alone offline tournaments. One must question the basis for calling for someone's removal solely on the grounds of criticism in a forum. The offline segment of the tournament fell under my purview, with Rapid providing valuable support by facilitating the participation of Sharp and offering outstanding photography services, among other contributions. It would be a misjudgment to conclude that acknowledging this part of the statement absolves Rapid of any responsibility for his past actions. However, making these past actions public can serve as a means of accountability, at least until such actions might potentially recur. Let me now consider the situation from an alternative perspective. Suppose, for the sake of argument, that every facet of the event was ZZZero's sole responsibility. In such a scenario, overlooking Rapid's involvement as a caster could be viewed as a form of negligence. Having had the privilege of collaborating with some of you in the past, however, I am aware that certain individuals have displayed a level of neglect in fulfilling their responsibilities that could have warranted legal action. In comparison, ZZZero's lapses appear far less severe. In the words of the Bible, as found in Matthew 7:1 Show nested quote +"Do not judge, or you too will be judged."
"For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."
"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?" it is essential to reflect upon our own actions before casting judgment upon others. As for matters of finance, let us not forget that, in the grand scheme of existence, money is but a fleeting concern. When we depart this world, our possessions will hold no sway. And for those who may have missed it, Geoff, at the very least, has departed during the time from the 20th Anniversary to the 25th Anniversary. Let us strive for understanding, empathy, and unity in our interactions, both online and offline.
I am an atheist. Since you included Bible words maybe I need to also incorporate that in order to convey my argument better.
In the words of the Bible, as found in Matthew 7:1
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged."
"For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."
"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?"
That goes both ways right? 27 minutes after I posted the thread your first reply is "Dumb lizard" to me asking a few basic questions and making a few jokes about it.
I am glad since then you have shed more light on your perspective and the issue, but I guess I'm still a "Dumb lizard".
On the issue of Rapid bringing in Sharp (so the players can fight him in LAN conditions which they rarely get to do) and his other contributions I found more Bible words:
I am the God “who shows no partiality and accepts no bribes” Deuteronomy 10:17-18
I think most people choose to not comment because all sides of the discussion are represented (apart from Rapid speaking out for himself). Usually if someone is making the case I want to make I don't comment because I know they got this covered.
So in summary the way I understand it you are saying:
1. BSL will get all the help it can
2. Rapid's contribution to BSL is higher than the need for him to man up and speak out for himself
3. It is a purely utilitarian argument
I think this is trying to have your cake and eat it.
Also from purely utilitarian standpoint even Rapid should want others like himself to be accountable. This is the way to a better world.
Cheering for other's wrongdoing just to make your own wrongdoing feel better, look better or be more generally acceptable is the way to a worse world.
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On December 13 2023 18:16 Intricacy wrote:
If only the female victims could’ve been shielded by such a positive force, but it’s good that an adult male could enjoy such courtesy. Promoting an individual BSL had previously, publicly denounced is quite confusing. How wonderful that you could make use of his outstanding photography services. Amazing!
Our community may be small, but it does not forget so easily.
I’ll thank you to leave my dear friend Geoff’s name out of this conversation in future, for it is highly inappropriate to mention him as part of a defense in this matter. Let him rest.
Well said. I also want to bring up the fact that in the SC2 harassment thread TLO and other men also have come out sharing their stories of being on the receiving end of abuse.
I say this because it may be hard for some men to empathize with women, but this CAN happen to anyone. And it does!
https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/560609-harassment-abuse-in-starcraft-2
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Does anyone gathered consolideted proofs for Rapid's behavior? Id like to verify whether the matter with him is really that serious as ppl claim.
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On December 13 2023 19:28 WolFix wrote:
Does anyone gathered consolideted proofs for Rapid's behavior? Id like to verify whether the matter with him is really that serious as ppl claim.
The silence says a lot.
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Silence says it was posted 14 minutes ago x)
The issue is more about bsl banning him and then apparently changing their minds without explanation.
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On December 13 2023 19:28 WolFix wrote:
Does anyone gathered consolideted proofs for Rapid's behavior? Id like to verify whether the matter with him is really that serious as ppl claim.
Publicly unaddressed by the man himself to this day:
https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/560609-harassment-abuse-in-starcraft-2
https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sr9kmn
https://www.reddit.com/r/broodwar/comments/hf14td/rapid_accused_of_sexual_misconduct_by_several/
From the other thread, posted yesterday:
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Made an account to post this, but I don't know if it'll go through. I was 16 or 17 when he sent me a dick pic in the mirror on Discord, I don't remember. I was a dummy back then and thought talking to a dude casting my favorite game across the globe was super cool, but looking back at it I was taken advantage of. I didn't know he was doing that to every girl he came across at the time and that's what makes me angry.
I don't want to talk about it, I just want people to know. I don't know why I didn't say anything back then but I don't want to talk about it anymore so please don't message me.
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It's cool guys, the known sexual predator got a progamer to come to the event and took some photos so it was totally worth it!
Go fuck yourself Rus_Brain, honestly. Don't throw around some bible verses and spit on a dead man's legacy to try to sweep this shit under the rug, or act like we're in the wrong for calling you out on this. This isn't acceptable, period.
I guess we just can't possibly understand "the complexities of running an offline event" that doesn't somehow hire a guy who was sending dick pics to minors at 27 fucking years old.
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for god's sake
you people really made it a big deal, haven't you?
Fuck Rapid. he's not a good caster and probably not a very decent human being.
Yes, Zero and Rusbrain should have said something and they are wrong for this.
But like really? like really? like you really want to bitch about it for ten pages first and then come out with your big fucking statement about how big and important TL council decided that bsl, the only fucking big thing about foreign starcraft, is not worthy to them anymore? you guys are so fucking smart and honorable.
I honestly hope that you'll ban me for this just because all this bitching is so sickening that i wish i would have never read it.
User was temp banned for this post.
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Russian Federation195 Posts
On December 13 2023 19:41 MeSaber wrote:
The silence says a lot.
I'm sure that you, unlike Rapid, are eager to discuss your sexual behaviour and preferences on public. Are you?
Not saying he's good or bad, but not getting why a man prefers to keep silence in such circuimstances looks weird to me.
And, if a guy with such a background is being invited for job, it just displays how poor the others are. Rus_Brain actually stated it pretty much straight in his message above. If you guys want to see someone else working on the tournaments, probably someone else has to become a better professional first.
Whatever happened in chatting between guys and girls in the past, but an Esports LAN requires a number of particular things that are to be done in the venue. It's not about just 'being a nice person' hanging out there.
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LUCKY_NOOB is a hipocritical predator. Back when I was 11 he sent me his dick pics himself. It's really hard for me to talk about it, beacuse it brings back memories I've buried long time ago. However, given the circumstances, I think you guys should know that and consider taking appropriate actions. I don't want to talk about it anymore, so please, don't message me respect my privacy, and don't blame the victim
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On December 13 2023 19:28 WolFix wrote:
Does anyone gathered consolideted proofs for Rapid's behavior? Id like to verify whether the matter with him is really that serious as ppl claim.
here's some, i know there are more posts that i haven't found, sorry, my memory is a bit fuzzy and some of the pages i tried to pull up 404'd
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+ Show Spoiler +On December 13 2023 20:14 kaby wrote:I'm sure that you, unlike Rapid, are eager to discuss your sexual behaviour and preferences on public. Are you? Not saying he's good or bad, but not getting why a man prefers to keep silence in such circuimstances looks weird to me. And, if a guy with such a background is being invited for job, it just displays how poor the others are. Rus_Brain actually stated it pretty much straight in his message above. If you guys want to see someone else working on the tournaments, probably someone else has to become a better professional first. Whatever happened in chatting between guys and girls in the past, but an Esports LAN requires a number of particular things that are to be done in the venue. It's not about just 'being a nice person' hanging out there.
I have no problem discussing my sexual preferences. I like + Show Spoiler +BDSM (and not just banitsa, drob surma and musaka), cuffs, choking, anal, ass to mouth, girl on girl, threesome 2 girls (or more) and me, roleplaying, domination... off the top of my head.
It's because this is off topic, not a sexual preference thread and I don't even know if it's allowed by tl.net's rules.
There is a BIG difference between FANTASY (what you imagine you want to do) and REALITY (what you do and stand for).
EVERYBODY has some fucked up thoughts, some of the time. The difference is who ACTS on what and how one conducts themselves. Also what we want to stand for as a community.
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