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On December 12 2023 18:08 LUCKY_NOOB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2023 17:38 quaristice wrote:
i don't like the idea of taking what rus_brain said and automatically assuming it represents how zzzero feels. i would prefer to hear from the guy. i can understand not finding the time to speak on it while organizing a tournament. i hope he takes the time to post about it after he's had some rest. Would be nice to get ZZZero's perspective as well of course. However this is in the Bombastic 25th Anniversary LAN: 09 - 12 December thread: ORGANIZERS Rus_Brain - Offline organization and logistics ZZZero - Online organization and stream production and Brain is also funding the bigger part of the tournament afaIk. So it's not like it's a random person talking...
yeah i'm aware. i'm also aware that rus_brain put forward a significant amount of money for this and many other tournaments.
edit: to clarify, i think that that connection is part of why i think we should hear from zzzero as well.
edit 2: added the quote since the page broke right there so people don't have to go back a page to understand
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On December 12 2023 06:50 ZakRoM wrote:
Saying all westerners are weirdos is like saying all Polish are like Julia, honestly I would think the second is worst lol, but we know none of the both are true. Regarding Rapid there's plenty of evidence, from LoL and from BW, that he did creppy and wrong things, so why do people keep thinking he's been blame for nothing?
Where is it? The OP only has witness testimony of no credibility whatsoever, that could be interpreted as inappropriate or not.
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On December 12 2023 07:38 castleeMg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2023 05:47 radley wrote:
To castleMG, fearthqueen, lucky_noob and probably more. Maybe I used misleading meaning for word weirdos, even though I clarified it. I consider you being weirdos too, because you are playing judge even though you state that there was no explanation provided, which is cringe as hell to me and apparently to the most community in Poland. You're brain had been eaten by new world trends, which are probably forced to brainwash every "lesser" being. That's why you probably not gonna think over it, but whatever, my lost. I don't care about your opinion about me at all, so safe your words. Btw. for more correct understanding of weirdos, does for example fondness to manga girls considered weirdo in america, or maybe not? If so and I wanted to, I could give couple of streamer names, just need to log on Twitch during american streaming time to make a list, rotfl. So no, even that would not be based on one man example. Also castleMG, I wrote it many times, but as of Canadian players, I knew around 20-30 players from there and could get well only with one in all my 20 years starcraft history. And he was Japanese. So yeah, maybe I do generalize, but I really don't care.
As for Rapid going silent, we even have old saying in Poland: "only guilty makes explanations". Not many public people go with any official statements, instead just going to court, whether as defending or attacking side in case of false accusations. As I read somewhere else, he supposedly clarified case offline. That's probably why he casted. Whatever that means. For me he was and still is good caster, even though lacking game knowledge he is great when cocasting with someone with good knowledge. If he is not in jail, I prefer him to cast than someone who half-speak english or is just bad caster. I just hope those 10 women watching SCR stream will lookout for private conversations just in case. That's all. Maybe brutal for you but truth. Like I said, I understand the “innocent until absolutely proven guilty” mentality you have but here’s the thing, no one is gonna take legal action to prove the legitimacy of the claims against Rapid. Probably because it’s not worth the legal fees, time, hassle, stress, etc of the accusers. Also from what I read in the twitlonger posts from the accusers, I don’t think Rapid technically did anything illegal (based on those posts alone). I’m deeply against cancel culture in this sense normally but you have to wonder… why would a bunch of women come out with similar stories at real gaming events that rapid was at accuse him of all this? What’s in it for them to accuse a low tier barely known BW caster? They just all wanted to ruin his career? For what motive? Surely it’s not money, there’s no sense in that. I believe what they’re saying is true because it sounds like they were all weirded out by a guy who had them uncomfortably cornered and they felt like other people should be publicly warned before things escalated. And lets be honest, there won’t be a serious investigation and even if there was, Rapid had these women alone when he did most of the alleged sexual talking, it’ll be his word against theirs if anything went to court. I personally wouldn’t want someone representing my gaming event just because of the deranged behaviour by Rapid that was alleged and even though there’s no 100% proof, you have to weigh why would the accusers put their names on the line? For what? Why would rapid go radio silent for 3 years after? Wouldn’t you vehemently defend yourself with receipts if you were innocent? I sure would. That’s why I have to draw my own conclusions with what happened. Edit: also I don’t understand the whole western slander thing, it’s just making you look like you generalize certain people which is incredibly ignorant. This also isn’t a political matter in any sense, I know people in this thread with political views that don’t align with mine and they have the same view as me on this topic.
This is a great post, I think you fully captured the nature of this case.
There is absolutely not enough evidence to treat this seriously. Why would they do it? I think it's a question to ask them. Maybe the found this awkward flirting acceptable at the time, now they grew up a bit and they don't anymore. Maybe they want attention (speaking of generalisation, isn't that every streamer wants, regardless of gender?), I've seen some comments in the old threads when this case has been discussed on joint streams. So in a nondirect way money could definitely be your answer. Rapid is also known in sc2 and lol community and not just bw, so exaggeration can clearly get you some publicity within these circles. Multiple accounts are explained by group behaviour. You see someone addressing a matter publicly, you'd also consider it. Whether it was any of the above reasons, there is no punishment for this type of public accusation.
Your opinion on this is very much that of the cancel culture though. If there is an accusation, no matter how serious, or how well supported, we should get rid of the person ASAP as it will leave a bad taste.
As I said earlier I can only guess why he didn't defend himself. What chances would he have to win your trust back in a forum battle? He could certainly defend himself in court, but in a back and fourth internet war against a flock of bw nerds.
Speaking of this, I think that is what Radley is trying to say. Pointing out the double standards in Western gaming communities which man, are full of weird nerds. There is no more deranged social group than older gamers - it is generalising of course, but I am afraid a very close one based on viewers numbers.
Maybe all moral focus of the accusers should be pointed at platforms like twitch that promote sexual objectification of women, highlight half-naked bathtub streams, asmr mic licking for incels, millions of dollars pumped into a wanking service accessible to children. After battling all of that, you can then put your pitchfork at the weirdo who send a dic pick to someone.
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On December 12 2023 14:39 MeSaber wrote:
The damage is already done and whoever invited rapid is to blame.
Someone is friend with rapid and that meant more than BSL reputation.
If hes still at the event hiding from camera doesnt make it better.
I don't think anyone specifically invited him. He went, and I think from what I read initially as a player but for some reason couldn't play and hence the casting
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Ah yes, the real problem is those *checks notes*, older gamers
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you guys still on this thing? lol.. waiting for a "statement" too, lmao..
I sleep 
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+ Show Spoiler +On December 12 2023 18:43 ShadPro wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2023 07:38 castleeMg wrote:On December 12 2023 05:47 radley wrote:
To castleMG, fearthqueen, lucky_noob and probably more. Maybe I used misleading meaning for word weirdos, even though I clarified it. I consider you being weirdos too, because you are playing judge even though you state that there was no explanation provided, which is cringe as hell to me and apparently to the most community in Poland. You're brain had been eaten by new world trends, which are probably forced to brainwash every "lesser" being. That's why you probably not gonna think over it, but whatever, my lost. I don't care about your opinion about me at all, so safe your words. Btw. for more correct understanding of weirdos, does for example fondness to manga girls considered weirdo in america, or maybe not? If so and I wanted to, I could give couple of streamer names, just need to log on Twitch during american streaming time to make a list, rotfl. So no, even that would not be based on one man example. Also castleMG, I wrote it many times, but as of Canadian players, I knew around 20-30 players from there and could get well only with one in all my 20 years starcraft history. And he was Japanese. So yeah, maybe I do generalize, but I really don't care.
As for Rapid going silent, we even have old saying in Poland: "only guilty makes explanations". Not many public people go with any official statements, instead just going to court, whether as defending or attacking side in case of false accusations. As I read somewhere else, he supposedly clarified case offline. That's probably why he casted. Whatever that means. For me he was and still is good caster, even though lacking game knowledge he is great when cocasting with someone with good knowledge. If he is not in jail, I prefer him to cast than someone who half-speak english or is just bad caster. I just hope those 10 women watching SCR stream will lookout for private conversations just in case. That's all. Maybe brutal for you but truth. Like I said, I understand the “innocent until absolutely proven guilty” mentality you have but here’s the thing, no one is gonna take legal action to prove the legitimacy of the claims against Rapid. Probably because it’s not worth the legal fees, time, hassle, stress, etc of the accusers. Also from what I read in the twitlonger posts from the accusers, I don’t think Rapid technically did anything illegal (based on those posts alone). I’m deeply against cancel culture in this sense normally but you have to wonder… why would a bunch of women come out with similar stories at real gaming events that rapid was at accuse him of all this? What’s in it for them to accuse a low tier barely known BW caster? They just all wanted to ruin his career? For what motive? Surely it’s not money, there’s no sense in that. I believe what they’re saying is true because it sounds like they were all weirded out by a guy who had them uncomfortably cornered and they felt like other people should be publicly warned before things escalated. And lets be honest, there won’t be a serious investigation and even if there was, Rapid had these women alone when he did most of the alleged sexual talking, it’ll be his word against theirs if anything went to court. I personally wouldn’t want someone representing my gaming event just because of the deranged behaviour by Rapid that was alleged and even though there’s no 100% proof, you have to weigh why would the accusers put their names on the line? For what? Why would rapid go radio silent for 3 years after? Wouldn’t you vehemently defend yourself with receipts if you were innocent? I sure would. That’s why I have to draw my own conclusions with what happened. Edit: also I don’t understand the whole western slander thing, it’s just making you look like you generalize certain people which is incredibly ignorant. This also isn’t a political matter in any sense, I know people in this thread with political views that don’t align with mine and they have the same view as me on this topic. This is a great post, I think you fully captured the nature of this case. There is absolutely not enough evidence to treat this seriously. Why would they do it? I think it's a question to ask them. Maybe the found this awkward flirting acceptable at the time, now they grew up a bit and they don't anymore. Maybe they want attention (speaking of generalisation, isn't that every streamer wants, regardless of gender?), I've seen some comments in the old threads when this case has been discussed on joint streams. So in a nondirect way money could definitely be your answer. Rapid is also known in sc2 and lol community and not just bw, so exaggeration can clearly get you some publicity within these circles. Multiple accounts are explained by group behaviour. You see someone addressing a matter publicly, you'd also consider it. Whether it was any of the above reasons, there is no punishment for this type of public accusation. Your opinion on this is very much that of the cancel culture though. If there is an accusation, no matter how serious, or how well supported, we should get rid of the person ASAP as it will leave a bad taste. As I said earlier I can only guess why he didn't defend himself. What chances would he have to win your trust back in a forum battle? He could certainly defend himself in court, but in a back and fourth internet war against a flock of bw nerds. Speaking of this, I think that is what Radley is trying to say. Pointing out the double standards in Western gaming communities which man, are full of weird nerds. There is no more deranged social group than older gamers - it is generalising of course, but I am afraid a very close one based on viewers numbers. Maybe all moral focus of the accusers should be pointed at platforms like twitch that promote sexual objectification of women, highlight half-naked bathtub streams, asmr mic licking for incels, millions of dollars pumped into a wanking service accessible to children. After battling all of that, you can then put your pitchfork at the weirdo who send a dic pick to someone.
The accusers are the are the original people who shared their stories. This thread is just a reminder of that and the fact the issue is unresolved publicly 3 years in. I think you are missing the point.
So you are saying because there are much bigger issues in the world and even in the streaming scene as a whole we should ignore the one in our favorite tournament?
Also if trusting women is a problem for you, you should actually read the links provided. You will stumble upon TLO's post on his experience with Korean team house. Point being it can happen to anyone.
https://x.com/TLOgg/status/1275159022371553280?s=20
And last official statement on the topic from BSL:
https://x.com/BombasticStar/status/1275778691671494656?s=20
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Is this like balancing out the closed Rapid Appreciation Thread then? Don't you know the sun has moved on out of Libra into Scorpion/Ophiuchus already.What is an 8-pager on this shit supposed to parade; your debate.org skills?
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On December 12 2023 21:09 ALF LightYear wrote:Is this like balancing out the closed Rapid Appreciation Thread then? Don't you know the sun has moved on out of Libra into Scorpion/Ophiuchus already.What is an 8-pager on this shit supposed to parade; your debate.org skills?
Welcome to the website ALF LightYear Profile PM Joined December 2023 (2 Posts).
Look at it as a concerned community members question to BSL "What's up with that? Unexpected."
If we didn't have hot takes that have to be addressed the pages would have been less.
To be clear your contribution is "Bruh, you showing off or something?"? That is what you get from the thread?
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Rapid's behaviour was beyond contemptible; he caused lasting distress to innocent people, notably underage girls. Then he ran away from facing the consequences of his actions, and never had the courage to own up to his mistakes or acknowledge the need to change as a person. That is not someone I will forgive the actions of, and I will not watch BSL or any other show Rapid is part of.
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On December 12 2023 18:46 ShadPro wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2023 14:39 MeSaber wrote:
The damage is already done and whoever invited rapid is to blame.
Someone is friend with rapid and that meant more than BSL reputation.
If hes still at the event hiding from camera doesnt make it better. I don't think anyone specifically invited him. He went, and I think from what I read initially as a player but for some reason couldn't play and hence the casting
For "some reason", like being banned perhaps?
If true this is even more stupid. Either you let the guy in or you don't, and if you do playing would probably be less damaging than casting.
Are we supposed to believe the biggest tournament of the year didn't have a caster planned and literally picked the first dude through the door?
I also don't think you just "show up" at someone s house like that, rapid would have told rusbrain he was coming at the very least.
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Not trying to be the devil advocate here but I think the rationality behind Rus_Brain 's decision to have Rapid in this event is quite simple: you are running on a tight budget and you have a professional caster willing to assist the event for free (whether he's a good caster is up for debate and a subjective matter anyway). Yes he allegedly did something bad in the past but it's been a while and he hasn't done anything wrong since (as far as we know) and apparently he's behaving very well at the event now. None of the participants have any problems with him there. And finally we have a slowly dying community so expelling people from this community is the last thing we want to do.
Of course the other side of the argument is valid as well and BSL organizers should have been aware that this is a controversial decision and a little bit of transparency may help.
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On December 12 2023 07:37 LUCKY_NOOB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2023 07:27 radley wrote:On December 12 2023 06:57 LUCKY_NOOB wrote:On December 12 2023 06:31 radley wrote:On December 12 2023 06:09 LUCKY_NOOB wrote:On December 12 2023 05:47 radley wrote:
To castleMG, fearthqueen, lucky_noob and probably more. Maybe I used misleading meaning for word weirdos, even though I clarified it. I consider you being weirdos too, because you are playing judge even though you state that there was no explanation provided, which is cringe as hell to me and apparently to the most community in Poland. You're brain had been eaten by new world trends, which are probably forced to brainwash every "lesser" being. That's why you probably not gonna think over it, but whatever, my lost. I don't care about your opinion about me at all, so safe your words. Btw. for more correct understanding of weirdos, does for example fondness to manga girls considered weirdo in america, or maybe not? If so and I wanted to, I could give couple of streamer names, just need to log on Twitch during american streaming time to make a list, rotfl. So no, even that would not be based on one man example. Also castleMG, I wrote it many times, but as of Canadian players, I knew around 20-30 players from there and could get well only with one in all my 20 years starcraft history. And he was Japanese. So yeah, maybe I do generalize, but I really don't care.
As for Rapid going silent, we even have old saying in Poland: "only guilty makes explanations". Not many public people go with any official statements, instead just going to court, whether as defending or attacking side in case of false accusations. As I read somewhere else, he supposedly clarified case offline. That's probably why he casted. Whatever that means. For me he was and still is good caster, even though lacking game knowledge he is great when cocasting with someone with good knowledge. If he is not in jail, I prefer him to cast than someone who half-speak english or is just bad caster. I just hope those 10 women watching SCR stream will lookout for private conversations just in case. That's all. Maybe brutal for you but truth. You know BSL as an entity can just leave Rapid to cast. As we've said we are not the law. And there are unfortunately plenty of people like yourself who would excuse way too much apparently. Also a lot of people who don't care either way. I think the BSL brand will probably go on with or without him casting. Would some people tune out? Sure. Maybe others like yourself would be more attracted to it and make up the difference. Either way I think if you want to be in the public eye, you address things publicly. Hiding is avoiding discussion, not being brave. By this old saying you speak of "only guilty makes explanations" I can murder 10 people, remain silent for the rest of my life and that would mean I am not guilty? You don't have to bother responding to this one. It's a rhetorical question. This is not the standard I think we should conduct ourselves by. I don't think of you as a lesser being. I always have and always will admire your Wraith play. I just think you are wrong on this issue. I think as long as we can engage in discussion we can figure out what's good for the highest amount of people. ^_._^ Thanks and likewise. As somewhat veteran in internet trolling I really respect ur tryings. Keep the good work and gl with those murders. I just hope the number you've put is only coincidental with the number of women watching starcraft streams I've written. Cause you know, you may ruin your opinion over here that way, even without strong evidence. I don't get the last line you wrote. Probably that's why I'm bigger veteran than you. You play the "I'm trolling" card that's fine. You wanna weasel your way out of a substantive discussion? This is the thread you choose to troll? I doubt that if the response in the thread was overwhelmingly in your favor you would have said in the end "guys I was actually trolling and I agree with the original post". But we would never know for sure... You really owned the libs in this one. ; D
See mate, you can't even find out what's trolling and what's not. My statements regarding topic are not trolling and completely sincere. The only trolling was in post about ur future plans for becoming serial killer.
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My guy Lucky_N00B, you, of all people, should know why, who and how Rapid was allowed in this event. It's perfectly understandable why other people are mind-boggled by this situation. But it's extremely simple and obvious.
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On December 10 2023 01:05 Qikz wrote:Brain I paid out the money for STPL Season 5 and as I explained to you in the past I completely forgot that our agreement at the time was for me to host a Season 6 as well - which I seem to remember you saying was ok as per our usual agreement the esports.fund only added the money to Matcherino for the season as it was happening. After Season 5 happened I mentally went through a lot and I made the decision to stop hosting tournaments for a while and that's where my current position is. That is and has nothing to do with this topic and if you're claiming that me forgetting to host a single season is the same as someone being abusive and committing sexual assault then I have no idea what to say to you. For proof I paid out the tournament as per our agreement please see matcherino here: https://matcherino.com/tournaments/56842In terms of me casting with Rapid prior to that I had absolutely no idea he was this kind of person until all the allegations come out, I didn't even know he was a league caster before. He was and is a pathalogical liar as explained in this twitlonger from a girl he was in an emotionally abusive relationship with for 5 years. http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sr9qgu A choice quote of this would be: Show nested quote +" Every time i’ve ever asked, he says that age is a number and that it doesn’t matter or that he feels like he’s in the middle with most of his friends being either 5 years younger or 5 years older. "
Dont feel guilty Qikz. Rus Brain also promised to pay for my korean expenses (when i was in Korea representing Esports fund ) and he never did. He baned me from his bo1 tournament series cuz i complained that Casper left the game after doing 8 barrack and forgetting his supply. Called me russophobic and some other crap as excuse. Legit bullied me out of all his tournaments. In Russia i was given the same room as casper and months before that happening i tried so many times to fix the situation but nothing happened. Literally worst experience of my life with that shitty Corrupted Cup he made. I remember i worked hard promoting his crap tourney doing interviews for players etc. I even donated money to it. Guy is actually so weird .
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+ Show Spoiler +On December 13 2023 00:11 TMNT wrote:
Not trying to be the devil advocate here but I think the rationality behind Rus_Brain 's decision to have Rapid in this event is quite simple: you are running on a tight budget and you have a professional caster willing to assist the event for free (whether he's a good caster is up for debate and a subjective matter anyway). Yes he allegedly did something bad in the past but it's been a while and he hasn't done anything wrong since (as far as we know) and apparently he's behaving very well at the event now. None of the participants have any problems with him there. And finally we have a slowly dying community so expelling people from this community is the last thing we want to do.
Of course the other side of the argument is valid as well and BSL organizers should have been aware that this is a controversial decision and a little bit of transparency may help.
I thought we are doing fine the past few years. So much so I wasn't even sure who's voice it was...
I get Brain''s rational for it but not a fan of the decision.
On the question of being a good caster there are 2 points.
1. Game knowledge is not subjective. You can certainly have a questionaire or test to figure out a person's game knowledge. I was shocked on youtube Rapid's oldest video is 13 years ago ProLeague BW commentary.
2. The energy he brings to a cast is subjective and u either like it or not. That one I give you.
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+ Show Spoiler +On December 13 2023 00:23 radley wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2023 07:37 LUCKY_NOOB wrote:On December 12 2023 07:27 radley wrote:On December 12 2023 06:57 LUCKY_NOOB wrote:On December 12 2023 06:31 radley wrote:On December 12 2023 06:09 LUCKY_NOOB wrote:On December 12 2023 05:47 radley wrote:
To castleMG, fearthqueen, lucky_noob and probably more. Maybe I used misleading meaning for word weirdos, even though I clarified it. I consider you being weirdos too, because you are playing judge even though you state that there was no explanation provided, which is cringe as hell to me and apparently to the most community in Poland. You're brain had been eaten by new world trends, which are probably forced to brainwash every "lesser" being. That's why you probably not gonna think over it, but whatever, my lost. I don't care about your opinion about me at all, so safe your words. Btw. for more correct understanding of weirdos, does for example fondness to manga girls considered weirdo in america, or maybe not? If so and I wanted to, I could give couple of streamer names, just need to log on Twitch during american streaming time to make a list, rotfl. So no, even that would not be based on one man example. Also castleMG, I wrote it many times, but as of Canadian players, I knew around 20-30 players from there and could get well only with one in all my 20 years starcraft history. And he was Japanese. So yeah, maybe I do generalize, but I really don't care.
As for Rapid going silent, we even have old saying in Poland: "only guilty makes explanations". Not many public people go with any official statements, instead just going to court, whether as defending or attacking side in case of false accusations. As I read somewhere else, he supposedly clarified case offline. That's probably why he casted. Whatever that means. For me he was and still is good caster, even though lacking game knowledge he is great when cocasting with someone with good knowledge. If he is not in jail, I prefer him to cast than someone who half-speak english or is just bad caster. I just hope those 10 women watching SCR stream will lookout for private conversations just in case. That's all. Maybe brutal for you but truth. You know BSL as an entity can just leave Rapid to cast. As we've said we are not the law. And there are unfortunately plenty of people like yourself who would excuse way too much apparently. Also a lot of people who don't care either way. I think the BSL brand will probably go on with or without him casting. Would some people tune out? Sure. Maybe others like yourself would be more attracted to it and make up the difference. Either way I think if you want to be in the public eye, you address things publicly. Hiding is avoiding discussion, not being brave. By this old saying you speak of "only guilty makes explanations" I can murder 10 people, remain silent for the rest of my life and that would mean I am not guilty? You don't have to bother responding to this one. It's a rhetorical question. This is not the standard I think we should conduct ourselves by. I don't think of you as a lesser being. I always have and always will admire your Wraith play. I just think you are wrong on this issue. I think as long as we can engage in discussion we can figure out what's good for the highest amount of people. ^_._^ Thanks and likewise. As somewhat veteran in internet trolling I really respect ur tryings. Keep the good work and gl with those murders. I just hope the number you've put is only coincidental with the number of women watching starcraft streams I've written. Cause you know, you may ruin your opinion over here that way, even without strong evidence. I don't get the last line you wrote. Probably that's why I'm bigger veteran than you. You play the "I'm trolling" card that's fine. You wanna weasel your way out of a substantive discussion? This is the thread you choose to troll? I doubt that if the response in the thread was overwhelmingly in your favor you would have said in the end "guys I was actually trolling and I agree with the original post". But we would never know for sure... You really owned the libs in this one. ; D See mate, you can't even find out what's trolling and what's not. My statements regarding topic are not trolling and completely sincere. The only trolling was in post about ur future plans for becoming serial killer.
That's just sad then. I would be curious what else is going on in that head of yours. But we need a political thread for that. IDK if I have the energy to go down that lurker hole..
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On December 13 2023 00:26 Nirli wrote:
My guy Lucky_N00B, you, of all people, should know why, who and how Rapid was allowed in this event. It's perfectly understandable why other people are mind-boggled by this situation. But it's extremely simple and obvious.
I should? All I know is what's been said and posted publicly. The pieces are slowly falling into place.
Still many questions remain unanswered. For one should we expect Rapid in other BSL events? Nahui, Mexico? Regional event in Nahui, Peru? Maybe even in one of the 2 Nahuis in China?!
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ha... rapid.
this has nothing to do with rapid, he is just a pawn in the real story.
this event may be organized by Zero.... but clearly it ain't he who has the final word
not only that... he wouldn't dare have a word, unless permitted
yet it's his enterprise that will take the hit, as is already happening.
maybe you should consider the bigger picture that's on display here, empathize with Zero... and bring up the real topic for discussion!!!
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