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MeSaber
Sweden1235 Posts
Noone will accept Rapid flying under the radar in any event. Hes obviously not sorry for what he has done, if he now did anything but that the point. If you are accused and innocent you address it. By staying silent he just proves hes guilty and dont wanna talk about it. An innocent man would have the guts to speak. | ||
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PatheticTL-ooser
2 Posts
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WolFix
Poland38 Posts
On December 13 2023 19:54 LUCKY_NOOB wrote: Publicly unaddressed by the man himself to this day: https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/560609-harassment-abuse-in-starcraft-2 https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sr9kmn https://www.reddit.com/r/broodwar/comments/hf14td/rapid_accused_of_sexual_misconduct_by_several/ From the other thread, posted yesterday: fishmarketer Profile PM Joined December 2023 1 Post Last Edited: 2023-12-12 23:55:05 19 minutes ago #160 Made an account to post this, but I don't know if it'll go through. I was 16 or 17 when he sent me a dick pic in the mirror on Discord, I don't remember. I was a dummy back then and thought talking to a dude casting my favorite game across the globe was super cool, but looking back at it I was taken advantage of. I didn't know he was doing that to every girl he came across at the time and that's what makes me angry. I don't want to talk about it, I just want people to know. I don't know why I didn't say anything back then but I don't want to talk about it anymore so please don't message me. Hm ok, so i just want to confirm this: Its not like we have proofs, screenshots, anything. We have stories which - I have no fucking idea why - were not addressed. Rapid apparently doesnt care about his reputation, is guilty or there is another reason i dont know about. I dont want to defend Rapid. Id like to stay with the facts so I can draw out my own conclusions. Please point out where I am incorrect. | ||
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LUCKY_NOOB
Bulgaria1417 Posts
On December 13 2023 20:31 Gandi wrote: LUCKY_NOOB is a hipocritical predator. Back when I was 11 he sent me his dick pics himself. It's really hard for me to talk about it, beacuse it brings back memories I've buried long time ago. However, given the circumstances, I think you guys should know that and consider taking appropriate actions. I don't want to talk about it anymore, so please, don't message me respect my privacy, and don't blame the victim Let me hide for 3 years and never address this... Oh wait... I unequivocally deny these accusations. Happy to settle this in court. Unfortunately Gandi is clearly pretending to be a victim in an attempt to discredit me and actual victims. Also darkening the Gandi name by using this nickname. Truly deplorable, whoever you actually are dude. See... It's actually not THAT hard to deny something that is false. ^_._^ | ||
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WolFix
Poland38 Posts
On December 13 2023 20:35 quaristice wrote: here's some, i know there are more posts that i haven't found, sorry, my memory is a bit fuzzy and some of the pages i tried to pull up 404'd + Show Spoiler + deity's account: https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sr9kev ykie's account https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sr9nkr https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sr9kmn allaryce's account https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sr9o0d E_I_N_A_L_E_M's account http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sr9qgu samiejpg's account theresa gaffney's post lauramakesmetal's post https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/hfdbad/comment/fvxy5v7/ this link appears to not work anymore, just including it for posterity in case anyone has any way of retrieving the video, but the comment that linked it claimed it was "beastqt and ykie talking about Rapid on stream too " https://www.twitch.tv/videos/660234345?t=03h23m00s this one isn't about sex but it is about him not respecting people's boundaries and personal space, which i would classify as relevant information https://web.archive.org/web/20140408050135/http://www.esportsheaven.com/articles/view/5189 seemingly new claim today by user "fishmarketer" https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/618831-rapidcasting-is-back-in-bsl?page=8#160 Thanks, seems like a lot of fucked up stories. I wonder what is the real reason that Rapid never addressed that. Usually people will see u as a guilty person. I just hope it wasnt like "Its my time to get some attention too" situation, because we experienced that many times already and men usually have a lot of troubles defending themselves even if the stories are made up, simply because u cannot get a proof that u didnt do something. | ||
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Gandi
Poland14 Posts
On December 13 2023 20:46 LUCKY_NOOB wrote: Let me hide for 3 years and never address this... Oh wait... I unequivocally deny these accusations. Happy to settle this in court. Unfortunately Gandi is clearly pretending to be a victim in an attempt to discredit me and actual victims. Also darkening the Gandi name by using this nickname. Truly deplorable, whoever you actually are dude. See... It's actually not THAT hard to deny something that is false. ^_._^ Wow, LUCKY NOOB clearly pretending to be innocent to discredit real victims like me. Also using emoji faces like it's funny to be sexually harassed as a kid I'm happy to settle this in court, but for now it's best for you to go quiet, since presumption of innocence is not a thing anymore Where are admins? Is it allowed on TL for sexual predators to freely deny public testimony of the victims? | ||
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kaby
Russian Federation195 Posts
On December 13 2023 20:37 LUCKY_NOOB wrote: EVERYBODY has some fucked up thoughts, some of the time. The difference is who ACTS on what and how one conducts themselves. Also what we want to stand for as a community. Of course, I can't disagree with that. My point is that probably BW guys really have to step up if there's no one better to invite for a job. + Show Spoiler + On December 13 2023 20:37 LUCKY_NOOB wrote: random stranger I'm not exactly a random stranger. I organized this one, as well as a number of local LANs in my country, and also do many different stuff in SC2. But I don't really follow TL forum trends, that's correct. Not like commenting on a forum is something valuable, though (no offense). | ||
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LUCKY_NOOB
Bulgaria1417 Posts
On December 13 2023 20:44 WolFix wrote: Hm ok, so i just want to confirm this: Its not like we have proofs, screenshots, anything. We have stories which - I have no fucking idea why - were not addressed. Rapid apparently doesnt care about his reputation, is guilty or there is another reason i dont know about. I dont want to defend Rapid. Id like to stay with the facts so I can draw out my own conclusions. Please point out where I am incorrect. First of all screenshots can be faked. You are correct there is no video proof, smoking gun, etc.. He may super secretly be the nicest guy ever. Or he may be a monster. Or he is somewhere in the middle. Clearly he is fun to hang around with when it's other guys around. As you say for whatever reason he can't be bothered to address the issue publicly. So of course draw your own conclusions. Is BSL accepting any help from him acceptable? Was this the way to play it out? What community do we want? Some questions we may have to answer each for ourselves. | ||
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WolFix
Poland38 Posts
On December 13 2023 20:46 LUCKY_NOOB wrote: See... It's actually not THAT hard to deny something that is false. Wait... That is actually not quite true. Ofc we know that Gandi is trolling to point out that believing every story is stupid, but I wonder how would you defend from 20 women saying something like that. Would you still claim that its easy to deny lies when everybody in the internet sentenced you already? Like i said. Its impossible to get proof for ur innocence. I have no idea what was the truth in case of Rapid, but I can totally imagine a situation where a girl wanted to get his dick pic, and then, after the years she founds that offensive or like I mentioned earlier - she wanted to get some attention. We will never know the truth obviously, but as a society we cannot undoubtly believe that someone was sexusally harassed by another just because she/he said so. The fact is ppl got very emotional about this whole situation and i dont blame them. It sounds rather bad. On the other hand if u look at it from the objective perspective - his silence doesnt proof anything (even tho I - as emotional being - would also like to get explanations from him). | ||
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WolFix
Poland38 Posts
On December 13 2023 21:01 LUCKY_NOOB wrote: First of all screenshots can be faked. You are correct there is no video proof, smoking gun, etc.. He may super secretly be the nicest guy ever. Or he may be a monster. Or he is somewhere in the middle. Clearly he is fun to hang around with when it's other guys around. As you say for whatever reason he can't be bothered to address the issue publicly. So of course draw your own conclusions. Is BSL accepting any help from him acceptable? Was this the way to play it out? What community do we want? Some questions we may have to answer each for ourselves. Ok, so in fact, judging by what you wrote. You dont actually know whether hes guilty? Am i correct? | ||
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Sorusaba
275 Posts
On December 13 2023 20:51 Gandi wrote: Wow, LUCKY NOOB clearly pretending to be innocent to discredit real victims like me. Also using emoji faces like it's funny to be sexually harassed as a kid I'm happy to settle this in court, but for now it's best for you to go quiet, since presumption of innocence is not a thing anymore Where are admins? Is it allowed on TL for sexual predators to freely deny public testimony of the victims? You're really playing out this complete drivel of a comparison to illustrate an intellectually dishonest and indefensible point because profiteering influencers and media channels have hammered it into your head that this is, somehow, a big political problem. Embarrassing - please get a grip. Disregarding the actual fallacies of the argumentation, even on the most basic level there is no need to turn it into some perversion of the modern world. You can just look at this case on your own and see that you're playing defense to a weird creep who faces the "punishment" of - essentially a nothingburger that does not affect him in any real way - not being able to appear publicly on the broadcast of an old video game. Gross. Do not want. Simple as. | ||
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quaristice
112 Posts
On December 13 2023 20:55 kaby wrote: Of course, I can't disagree with that. My point is that probably BW guys really have to step up if there's no one better to invite for a job. + Show Spoiler + On December 13 2023 20:37 LUCKY_NOOB wrote: random stranger I'm not exactly a random stranger. I organized this one, as well as a number of local LANs in my country, and also do many different stuff in SC2. But I don't really follow TL forum trends, that's correct. Not like commenting on a forum is something valuable, though (no offense). there's tons of people who are better at commentary than rapid in the community, off the top of my head, apologies if i missed anyone: zzzero, artosis, bonyth, saiyan. listed those 4 first since they are physically at the event, dunno who else is there but i suspect basically anyone else there who knows about starcraft would do a better job. people not at the event afaik: scan, nyoken, machine, seriosity, razz, cadenzie, voddy, eonzerg, tasteless, docholiday, kwark, lml, diggity, jiraiya, jaeyun, koget, pato and like, again this is just off the top of my head, i didn't go looking. we're not lacking in skilled english language commentary talent. it's not 2007 anymore. | ||
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LUCKY_NOOB
Bulgaria1417 Posts
On December 13 2023 21:09 WolFix wrote: Ok, so in fact, judging by what you wrote. You dont actually know whether hes guilty? Am i correct? Of course not. I make my own conclusions like yourself and everybody else based on the little we have to go on. I wish we had more to go on to be sure one way or another. But we don't. | ||
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LUCKY_NOOB
Bulgaria1417 Posts
You defend yourself the same way you do vs one person. You present your side of the story as soon as possible (assume you are not barred from doing so by ongoing legal proceedings). If there is a legal case then you just say you will address it all after it's settled. I understand innocent til proven guilty, but this is not a court of law. But hey bring on a 1000 fake accounts if that's your thing. | ||
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Gandi
Poland14 Posts
On December 13 2023 21:18 LUCKY_NOOB wrote: You defend yourself the same way you do vs one person. You present your side of the story as soon as possible (assume you are not barred from doing so by ongoing legal proceedings). If there is a legal case then you just say you will address it all after it's settled. I understand innocent til proven guilty, but this is not a court of law. But hey bring on a 1000 fake accounts if that's your thing. So you judge the truthfulness of the story by the speed of the response? Do you guys ever think about what you type? | ||
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LUCKY_NOOB
Bulgaria1417 Posts
On December 13 2023 20:55 kaby wrote: Of course, I can't disagree with that. My point is that probably BW guys really have to step up if there's no one better to invite for a job. + Show Spoiler + On December 13 2023 20:37 LUCKY_NOOB wrote: random stranger I'm not exactly a random stranger. I organized this one, as well as a number of local LANs in my country, and also do many different stuff in SC2. But I don't really follow TL forum trends, that's correct. Not like commenting on a forum is something valuable, though (no offense). I'm glad we can agree on something. IF it's really that bad that the ONLY person who can save BSL is Rapid, then I think that should have been made clear prior the event. So we can all make our stance or peace with it. You asked me for my sexual presences but you are ignoring my request for yours? And you didn't even buy me a dinner... You are a random stranger (to me), regardless of your contributions to the community at large. No offense taken. I think commenting on a forum CAN be valuable. It's not inherently invaluable (think protesters gathering by sharing their opinion and desire for change on any issue). | ||
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LUCKY_NOOB
Bulgaria1417 Posts
On December 13 2023 21:22 Gandi wrote: So you judge the truthfulness of the story by the speed of the response? Do you guys ever think about what you type? Do you ever think what you type? Let me put to you this way: 1. "Have you ever killed someone?" - "No." 2. "Have you ever killed someone?" - "Forever silent." I would assume 1 to be more likely to have never killed someone if no other evidence is available. I think I would be right more often than not in that case. In the actual case leaving all big Discords and avoiding the topic does not scream to me "I care". It's not the person I want commentating in the event I'm watching. Make your own conclusions just as I have. | ||
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y2kid
92 Posts
On December 13 2023 20:44 WolFix wrote: Hm ok, so i just want to confirm this: Its not like we have proofs, screenshots, anything. We have stories which - I have no fucking idea why - were not addressed. Rapid apparently doesnt care about his reputation, is guilty or there is another reason i dont know about. I dont want to defend Rapid. Id like to stay with the facts so I can draw out my own conclusions. Please point out where I am incorrect. There is another topic that discusses Rapid and his alleged misconduct in detail. In this post I will: (i) address my personal interpretation on what this topic is about; and then (ii) get back to the question of the current allegations and being able to draw your own conclusions, finally, I will (iii) share my personal POV if anyone is interested in that too. The purpose of this post This post is about Zzzero as an organizer not (yet) addressing the issue after publicly denouncing Rapid on Twitter in 2020. It was unfortunate that we have not received anything before the event, but truth be told, we do not know the full story. Perhaps Zzzero did not know about this, or maybe he had other variables to consider, etc. The point is, nobody is condemning Zzzero's behaviour right now. Rather we are confused and would like to limit the impact that this situation might have on other (minor) leagues. I love BSL and hope that both the tournament and its organizer achieve longevity and one day receive the recognition they truly deserve. However, I cannot support an organization that makes me question its integrity. With all my heart I hope that Zzzero will shed some light on this whole situation after the event, when he is back home and rested. I would like to know more of the details that led to this occurrence and then, as you say, be able to draw my own conclusions. Fwiw I believe that this was all a misunderstanding or lack of foresight from one of the parties and, for me personally, acknowledging this would be enough. The incident, the the accusations, and the response Now, to answer your question directly: no, there is no hard evidence in the form of screenshots. Of course, you are free to draw your own conclusions as I have drawn my own. There are, however, facts that you can use to aid your decision making process. I used to support Rapid when he was casting STPL and BSL, and believed that his casting style genuinely improved over time. When the first accusations started to appear I sincerely hoped that he will address them by either saying that they were not true, that he regrets his actions and will do better, or that he was at that time unable to comment on the events. Unfortunately, none of this happened. Regardless, let me reiterate the facts about this situation to the best of my knowledge: 1. Multiple streamers, public figures, came out and addressed the issue saying that they had experienced similar behaviour and had been put into such a situation by Rapid. 2. BSL, as an organization, distanced themselves from Rapid's behaviour and issued a post on Twitter where they said they treat this seriously and will cease their current and future business with Rapid. 3. Rapid failed to acknowledge any of the allegations against him. Context: At that point he was a public figure in a lot of the BW communities, people that knew him reached out over discord asking about his personal view on the matter. None of these requests were addressed afaik, and instead he left all BW communities, deleted all of his twitch content and left the scene for good. 4. Three years after he had left the scene he reappears at a BSL celebratory event. 5. There is no official stand by either rapid or BSL about the situation from three years ago and why he was allowed to cover the casting of that BSL event during day one of the event, despite being denounced by BSL. These are all the facts, as far as I am aware. You are free to draw your own conclusions and decide what you want to believe in. There has not been any legal case by either of the involved parties as far as I am aware. If you are interested in my stance based on these facts here is my POV: + Show Spoiler + The fact that multiple public figures came forth, joining the allegations is evidence enough for me that this is something that ought to be addressed. I would have been more understanding if all people who accused Rapid were random accounts without many posts, or were created shortly before accusing him. However, that is not the case. The people that spoke out are real and you could trace their public connection with Rapid if you tried. Rapid not addressing any of these and disappearing from the community after these things happened does not speak well of him. It can be believed that there is a connection around the timing of these allegations and his disappearance. Refusal to address that in any way is at best questionable and leaves more to be desired. Still, it was his decision at the time and we, as a community, respected this. I am unaware if BSL, as an organization, decided to act preemptively trying to protect their reputation or if they had their own internal investigation before denouncing Rapid. However, the fact is that they did it. I, personally, would expect that once a public stance is issued banning a person the events of an organization, then a public stance about his return in the organization is also in order. I have made my mind about the first issue, I am still waiting on more details before I can make my mind on the second and I hope that we, as a community, will receive these details this time. | ||
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Gandi
Poland14 Posts
On December 13 2023 21:37 LUCKY_NOOB wrote: Do you ever think what you type? Let me put to you this way: 1. "Have you ever killed someone?" - "No." 2. "Have you ever killed someone?" - "Forever silent." I would assume 1 to be more likely to have never killed someone if no other evidence is available. I think I would be right more often than not in that case. In the actual case leaving all big Discords and avoiding the topic does not scream to me "I care". It's not the person I want commentating in the event I'm watching. Make your own conclusions just as I have. If I was accused of killing anyone by you, I wouldn't reponse to someone that crazy at all. I woudn't feel obligated to answer to anyone that has trouble understanding logic 101. It doesn't make me murderer. It doesn't make me innocent. It doesn't mean anything. Dude, for the sake of everyone's sanity, stop making a conclusions on your own. | ||
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Chaosu
Poland404 Posts
Everyone here and in other thread has issue with Rapid casing BSL but the event was called Bombastic 25th Anniversary LAN, not Bombastic StarLeague. Are these two threads major misinformation and witch hunt? | ||
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