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On August 11 2023 17:07 PVJ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2023 14:31 Nirli wrote:
The LoL scene at the moment is looking shaky and League isn't the dear only child of Riot anymore, so my bet is that we'll see him come back earlier. I am not versed in LoL at all but can you point a few links to discussions on these? I thought they had a fixed licensed league in South Korea, inhhoused streaming instead of OGN, Spotv, Afreeca, academies and world championships. Did people just get tired, was there some scandal, did riot change things? Thank you jinjin for all the translations! Classic stork story, asks for a regular match then plays timid and crashes out. At least in asl15 it was against the later champion.
At least in Europe and in North America teams are operating a loss. in part because of bad marketing and because player salaries skyrocketed around 2018 because teams thought they could easily secuee top talents and team success by simply outbidding other teams. Salaries are so high teams actually cant afford their own players. Its their own fault. whether this same thing applies in Korea or China where marketing is done much better I dont know. I do know each team has some players with multi million yearly salaries.
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On August 11 2023 18:13 RJBTV wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2023 17:07 PVJ wrote:On August 11 2023 14:31 Nirli wrote:
The LoL scene at the moment is looking shaky and League isn't the dear only child of Riot anymore, so my bet is that we'll see him come back earlier. I am not versed in LoL at all but can you point a few links to discussions on these? I thought they had a fixed licensed league in South Korea, inhhoused streaming instead of OGN, Spotv, Afreeca, academies and world championships. Did people just get tired, was there some scandal, did riot change things? Thank you jinjin for all the translations! Classic stork story, asks for a regular match then plays timid and crashes out. At least in asl15 it was against the later champion. At least in Europe and in North America teams are operating a loss. in part because of bad marketing and because player salaries skyrocketed around 2018 because teams thought they could easily secuee top talents and team success by simply outbidding other teams. Salaries are so high teams actually cant afford their own players. Its their own fault. whether this same thing applies in Korea or China where marketing is done much better I dont know. I do know each team has some players with multi million yearly salaries.
To add to this: as someone who isn't 14 years old anymore and is a bit jaded about gaming in general, Riot basically aimed, and succeeded, at making League a lifestyle thing, not just a game. What I mean by that is that they have all these casters, meta jokes/comments, all that production value. You might say that those are good and normal things for other games, but for me personally everything seems extremely artificial, even sinister and uncanny to a degree. TSM was in deep with all the FTX shenanigans. The NA scene looks extremely unhealthy in every way possible.
In short, they took a game and made it into a way bigger thing that it should've been. So there is this bubble that's about to pop really soon. That's my take at least and that's why I think Fantasy will come back to BW sooner - he's quite intelligent and introverted, so a smaller and tigher community would work better for him.
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On August 11 2023 18:49 Nirli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2023 18:13 RJBTV wrote:On August 11 2023 17:07 PVJ wrote:On August 11 2023 14:31 Nirli wrote:
The LoL scene at the moment is looking shaky and League isn't the dear only child of Riot anymore, so my bet is that we'll see him come back earlier. I am not versed in LoL at all but can you point a few links to discussions on these? I thought they had a fixed licensed league in South Korea, inhhoused streaming instead of OGN, Spotv, Afreeca, academies and world championships. Did people just get tired, was there some scandal, did riot change things? Thank you jinjin for all the translations! Classic stork story, asks for a regular match then plays timid and crashes out. At least in asl15 it was against the later champion. At least in Europe and in North America teams are operating a loss. in part because of bad marketing and because player salaries skyrocketed around 2018 because teams thought they could easily secuee top talents and team success by simply outbidding other teams. Salaries are so high teams actually cant afford their own players. Its their own fault. whether this same thing applies in Korea or China where marketing is done much better I dont know. I do know each team has some players with multi million yearly salaries. To add to this: as someone who isn't 14 years old anymore and is a bit jaded about gaming in general, Riot basically aimed, and succeeded, at making League a lifestyle thing, not just a game. What I mean by that is that they have all these casters, meta jokes/comments, all that production value. You might say that those are good and normal things for other games, but for me personally everything seems extremely artificial, even sinister and uncanny to a degree. TSM was in deep with all the FTX shenanigans. The NA scene looks extremely unhealthy in every way possible. In short, they took a game and made it into a way bigger thing that it should've been. So there is this bubble that's about to pop really soon. That's my take at least and that's why I think Fantasy will come back to BW sooner - he's quite intelligent and introverted, so a smaller and tigher community would work better for him.
I think the Korean and Chinese scenes are much healthier. Marketing is much easier. LoL is many many times more popular(over 80 million players in China and over 10 million in Korea). Marketing can be done in one language in Korea, and just Chinese in china. Unlike Europe where everything is split amongst a multitude of countries of which most are terrible at english, and most brands are much more localized. Almost impossible for proper marketing and sponsorships. They cant get local brands attached to a league because they wont get anything out of it. Only big brands are options but they get almost no returns.l on teir investment so they dip. Saudi Arabia wanted to be head sponsor but that backfired into a PR fiasco.
China and Korea are also very addicted to gacha and lootbox systems compared to Western countries.
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Thanks Jinjin, appreciate it!
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Thanks RJBTV and Nirli. I thought something is changing in Korea / China as I would guess that is mainly where Fantasy might look for work. Na and Eu stories seem like more of the same sad stories as with other games / entertainment.
Thanks jinjin for all the work!
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