EPTAre there any regular team leagues in Korea, other than KCM?
I read that ASTL has stopped. But has anything taken its place?
If so, any suggested websites/streams/schedule?
Korean team leagues other than KCM?
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Simplistik
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Are there any regular team leagues in Korea, other than KCM? I read that ASTL has stopped. But has anything taken its place? If so, any suggested websites/streams/schedule? | ||
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RJBTV
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On January 03 2023 20:32 Simplistik wrote: Hi folks, Are there any regular team leagues in Korea, other than KCM? I read that ASTL has stopped. But has anything taken its place? If so, any suggested websites/streams/schedule? Daily proleague sessions somewhat count as team leagues. | ||
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Djabanete
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Simplistik
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redknights
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Entertaining comebacks and usage of the new potential ASL maps | ||
2Pacalypse-
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TMNT
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MAJOR PROLEAGUE, JAN 1 2023 [Team 1] Royal  Hero Rush Mini vs [Team 2] Soma Soulkey Snow Shuttle SET 1 (PROLEAGUE) Rush <76> Soma Royal <Red Eagle> Soulkey Mini <Hellbound> Shuttle Hero <Dark Origin> Snow + Show Spoiler [Game 5] + Hero <The Blessing> Soulkey + Show Spoiler [Game 6] + Team 1 win + Show Spoiler [Game 7] + SET 2 (WINNERS LEAGUE) Rush <Dark Origin> Soulkey + Show Spoiler [Game 2] + Rush <Red Eagle> Snow + Show Spoiler [Game 3] + Mini <76> Snow + Show Spoiler [Game 4] + Hero <Neuron> Snow + Show Spoiler [Game 5] + Hero <Hellbound> Shuttle + Show Spoiler [Game 6] + Royal <Retro> Shuttle + Show Spoiler [Game 7] + Team 2 win SUPER ACE + Show Spoiler + Hero <The Blessing> Soulkey | ||
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2Pacalypse-
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But also, I think a megathread for daily proleagues could be useful where we can post reminders when they happen (and maybe even add them to the event calendar), and also discuss the matches as they happen. | ||
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TMNT
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redknights
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On January 06 2023 09:18 2Pacalypse- wrote: That'd be a great contribution to the Small VOD Thread! But also, I think a megathread for daily proleagues could be useful where we can post reminders when they happen (and maybe even add them to the event calendar), and also discuss the matches as they happen. Calendar would be impossible bc these don't get planned in advance and literally go forward when the players feel like playing (and don't go forward if there aren't enough people). Only real guideline is to check Afreeca when it's late evening in Korea I'm not sure if this was done before on these forums, but if there's enough interest I'm willing to write up an intro on how these proleagues work, tips for watching live and even how to donate to the crowdfunding | ||
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RKC
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How do the teams get formed? Just on the fly and changes each daily session? | ||
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TMNT
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Then after it finishes I can update the matchups/results and VODs like the post above). I myself don't watch it live all the time but the VODs are extremely helpful as I can fast forward or rewind to the matches I'm more interested. | ||
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TMNT
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Right now: Queen Best JD YSC vs Sharp Rush Free Alone Best place to view is Queen's youtube livestream: | ||
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redknights
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On January 06 2023 18:39 RKC wrote: Daily Proleague looks interesting! Nice to have a thread, reports, etc. How do the teams get formed? Just on the fly and changes each daily session? the boundaries between major proleague and K league aren't exactly strict but there are a few rough guidelines: major proleague - players are supposed to be the best so teams are usually picked on 자연 사다리 (literally "natural ladder") system - they put all the players in 1 pool and divide them completely randomly K league - more emphasis on balance, even at the invitation stage the organizer tries to avoid inviting anyone too strong or weak unless they have someone else they balance out with. Most of the time they will pick 2 players who are relatively well balanced to serve as captains and then the rest of the teams are picked taking turns (뽑기 "selecting" system). Of course there are a lot of hybrid arrangements depending on the personnel, if major proleague has 2 members who are perceived as weaker than the rest, they sometimes separate those 2 players and then randomly divide the rest. If there's only one player that's super strong in K League, they will usually let the other team pick the next 2 strongest to try to balance it out. | ||
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Simplistik
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2Pacalypse-
Croatia9504 Posts
On January 06 2023 09:49 TMNT wrote: Yeah let's do a megathread. Could you create it and I will update the first few VODs of 2023. Here you go: https://tl.net/forum/bw-tournaments/605325-megathread-daily-proleagues | ||
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2Pacalypse-
Croatia9504 Posts
On January 06 2023 13:49 redknights wrote: Calendar would be impossible bc these don't get planned in advance and literally go forward when the players feel like playing (and don't go forward if there aren't enough people). Only real guideline is to check Afreeca when it's late evening in Korea I'm not sure if this was done before on these forums, but if there's enough interest I'm willing to write up an intro on how these proleagues work, tips for watching live and even how to donate to the crowdfunding Yeah, it'd be great if you could do a short writeup on what these daily proleagues are and how they happen, and I'll add it to the megathread. | ||
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redknights
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On January 07 2023 00:50 2Pacalypse- wrote: Yeah, it'd be great if you could do a short writeup on what these daily proleagues are and how they happen, and I'll add it to the megathread. I'll whip something up after work today | ||
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redknights
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On January 07 2023 00:50 2Pacalypse- wrote: Yeah, it'd be great if you could do a short writeup on what these daily proleagues are and how they happen, and I'll add it to the megathread. Intro to Proleagues: What are Proleagues? Crowdfunded competitions between teams of BW pros When do they happen? Every night when there are enough players who are willing to play (even during ASL nights). If there are a lot of players available, multiple proleagues are run concurrently (as many as 3 per night). If there are not enough players, no proleagues will open. Rough start time is late evening in Korea and usually goes well past midnight KST. Are there different types of Proleagues? There is a rough split between the top "major proleague," the 2nd level "K league" and the lower "moonlight proleague" - but the boundaries are not well defined and there are a lot of hybrid proleagues In the past there was a big funding gap between the major proleague and the K league, but these days funding tends to be more level (on some days K league is funded better than the major proleague happening on the same day) How are these organized? A player will "open" a Proleague, and then invite other players to join, usually eight players in total (occasionally 6 players and rarely 10). Players are not invited in advance, invites are mostly based on who is streaming at the time. How are these funded? The player "opening" the Proleague usually has already been given some base funding by their viewers (it is not a good look to open a Proleague without having some money lined up already). Once all the participants are invited, there is a fundraising period of several minutes where each player appeals (or begs) for donations on their stream. Each player is expected to bring back at least 300 star balloons per winner - so for a 4v4 Proleague, each player will need to raise a total of at least 1200 star balloons (300 star balloons X 4 winners) in funding. (Very roughly 100 star balloons = $10USD) If a player can't reach the expected star balloon amount through viewer funding, they will simply put up their own money so they can participate. How are teams picked? major proleague - players are supposed to be the best so teams are usually picked on 자연 사다리 (literally "natural ladder") system - all players are in 1 pool and are divided completely randomly K league - more emphasis on balance, even at the invitation stage the organizer tries to avoid inviting anyone too strong or weak unless they have someone else they balance out with. Most of the time they will pick 2 players who are relatively well balanced to serve as captains and then the rest of the teams are picked taking turns (뽑기 "selecting" system). Of course there are a lot of hybrid arrangements depending on the personnel, if major proleague has 2 members who are perceived as weaker than the rest, they sometimes separate those 2 players and then randomly divide the rest. If there's only one player that's super strong in K League, they will usually let the other team pick the next 2 strongest to try to balance it out. What is the competition format? A team needs to win 2 out of 3 sets to win the Proleague 1st set is always an "entry" proleague best 4 out of 7 games. Each team simultaneously puts out an entry of their 4 players, which are the matchups for the first four games of the set. For Game 5 (if needed) each team uses an online program to randomly choose a player to play. For Game 6 (if needed) each team uses the online program to choose randomly among the 3 players that did not play in Game 5. Game 7 (if needed) is back to using the online program to choose randomly among the 4 players. The map pool is predetermined but the order is randomly chosen after the first 4 matchups are already set. 2nd set has some variation. The major proleague usually does a winner's league as the 2nd set. The K League usually just repeats the same format as the 1st set. Occasionally you will see a loser's league format. The 3rd set (if necessary) is a single winner-takes-all Super Ace match where each team randomly picks their Ace. In Proleagues where there may be some balance issues, there may be bans permitted to avoid an unbalanced Super Ace match. K league sometimes has the worst performing player for each team come out in the Super Ace match - the Narak ("hell") matchup The winning team wins all the star balloons raised, the losing team gets nothing. How do I watch? Check the live streams around late evening in Korea, and look for stream titles that have "4:4" or "프로리그" (Proleague) While one teammate is playing, the other 3 teammates observe the game and discuss/cheer/ridicule in a discord call You have up to 8 POV to choose from in each Proleague. These days, the highest fundraisers are given the observer slots where you can see the supply and resource counts. Some players are great streamers who put in a good effort to show the score and who is playing (sometimes even in English), others don't really care. Try out a couple of players and see whose observing style you like, or check out the FPV of the current player. --------------------------------- Will hold off on how to donate for now, if there are FAQs that pop up later I'd be happy to answer in the future | ||
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Jammo
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Long live BW : ) | ||
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RKC
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Is Game 5 of Set 1 and the Super Ace match really made at random? Seems rather odd that the same players were picked on Jan 1! But I guess the randomness explains why those two players were picked (let's face it, they aren't quite Ace material). | ||
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