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GomTV3 MSL Bracket Contest - Page 7

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Storchen
Profile Joined September 2006
Sweden4385 Posts
October 18 2007 15:00 GMT
#121
lol Hot_Bid I picked Mania, Free, rA, Savior and Xellos?!
Aepplet
Profile Joined December 2003
Sweden2908 Posts
October 18 2007 15:19 GMT
#122
ok so 1 guy left and all his picks are down 0-1, gl ^^
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
October 18 2007 15:23 GMT
#123
On October 19 2007 00:00 Storchen wrote:
lol Hot_Bid I picked Mania, Free, rA, Savior and Xellos?!

checking, you may be right, it's hard going through 150+ entrants
sorry
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
Storchen
Profile Joined September 2006
Sweden4385 Posts
October 18 2007 15:25 GMT
#124
On October 19 2007 00:23 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2007 00:00 Storchen wrote:
lol Hot_Bid I picked Mania, Free, rA, Savior and Xellos?!

checking, you may be right, it's hard going through 150+ entrants
sorry


np. I just want my 15 minutes ^^
picked light, oov and bisu aswell.. So I guess im out next round.
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-18 15:28:17
October 18 2007 15:27 GMT
#125
you're right, i updated, i guess i just missed yours

edit: don't give up hope, oov/light/bisu could all come back^^
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Storchen
Profile Joined September 2006
Sweden4385 Posts
October 18 2007 15:28 GMT
#126
lol pepe picked canata?
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-18 15:36:35
October 18 2007 15:34 GMT
#127
i reversed it, tag]sig is the guy still alive

you two are the only ones left!

both of you need Oov, Bisu, and Light to all come back from down 0-1 though
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Vomified
Profile Joined August 2007
Bulgaria68 Posts
October 18 2007 15:37 GMT
#128
lol so many people are eliminated cuz of july :-|
quasi -QS-
Profile Joined December 2006
United States109 Posts
October 18 2007 15:44 GMT
#129
Thanks for nothing July.
ToT)SiLeNcE(
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Germany590 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-18 15:48:27
October 18 2007 15:48 GMT
#130
I don't quite get how everyone is so surprised by how this bracket contest turned out.

If we assume that each player has a 50% chance to win, the odds of getting all 5 bets right are 1/32 => participants expected to make it through after 5 bets : 196 / 32 = 6.

Ok now only 2 made it, but you get my point.
Storchen
Profile Joined September 2006
Sweden4385 Posts
October 18 2007 15:54 GMT
#131
On October 19 2007 00:48 ToT)SiLeNcE( wrote:
I don't quite get how everyone is so surprised by how this bracket contest turned out.

If we assume that each player has a 50% chance to win, the odds of getting all 5 bets right are 1/32 => participants expected to make it through after 5 bets : 196 / 32 = 6.

Ok now only 2 made it, but you get my point.


yeah well each player dont have 50% chance to win. For example considering his shape lately I'd say Free had more like 70 or 80% chance of winning over Lomo. So its really not that simple.
ItchReliever
Profile Joined April 2004
2489 Posts
October 18 2007 18:07 GMT
#132
lol Pepe's brackets are wack. Free vs Kwanro finals? LOL
ViRii
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States826 Posts
October 18 2007 19:01 GMT
#133
Both of them picked light. So if they Kwanro wins, no one survives.

Gogo Kwanro!
ToT)SiLeNcE(
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Germany590 Posts
October 18 2007 19:49 GMT
#134
On October 19 2007 00:54 Storchen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2007 00:48 ToT)SiLeNcE( wrote:
I don't quite get how everyone is so surprised by how this bracket contest turned out.

If we assume that each player has a 50% chance to win, the odds of getting all 5 bets right are 1/32 => participants expected to make it through after 5 bets : 196 / 32 = 6.

Ok now only 2 made it, but you get my point.


yeah well each player dont have 50% chance to win. For example considering his shape lately I'd say Free had more like 70 or 80% chance of winning over Lomo. So its really not that simple.


Yes I agree, but a players chance to win is generally a LOT closer to 50/50 then people realize. Progamers are very very close to one another nowadays. An objective observer cannot fail to notice the amount of "upsets" in modern pro starcraft. But a lot of people get blinded by their fanship. Basically the current proleague liquibet is more of a lottery than anything else.

Of course you can always say "oh he predicted it right, he must have awesome prediction skills" _AFTERWARDS_ but statistically someone HAS to make the right predictions. I really think statistics are something that the current progaming community fails to be aware of. I'm sure that, if someone went through the work to do some illustrative plots of statistical expectation vs. results for pro games and took a large enough number of games into account it would totally back up what I'm saying.

Also, in the RO16 there were quite a few matches in which there was no clear favourite.
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
October 18 2007 19:53 GMT
#135
I get the feeling either Kwanro or Hwasin is going to royally screw up the last two brackets.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
October 18 2007 20:41 GMT
#136
On October 19 2007 04:49 ToT)SiLeNcE( wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2007 00:54 Storchen wrote:
On October 19 2007 00:48 ToT)SiLeNcE( wrote:
I don't quite get how everyone is so surprised by how this bracket contest turned out.

If we assume that each player has a 50% chance to win, the odds of getting all 5 bets right are 1/32 => participants expected to make it through after 5 bets : 196 / 32 = 6.

Ok now only 2 made it, but you get my point.


yeah well each player dont have 50% chance to win. For example considering his shape lately I'd say Free had more like 70 or 80% chance of winning over Lomo. So its really not that simple.


Yes I agree, but a players chance to win is generally a LOT closer to 50/50 then people realize. Progamers are very very close to one another nowadays. An objective observer cannot fail to notice the amount of "upsets" in modern pro starcraft. But a lot of people get blinded by their fanship. Basically the current proleague liquibet is more of a lottery than anything else.

Of course you can always say "oh he predicted it right, he must have awesome prediction skills" _AFTERWARDS_ but statistically someone HAS to make the right predictions. I really think statistics are something that the current progaming community fails to be aware of. I'm sure that, if someone went through the work to do some illustrative plots of statistical expectation vs. results for pro games and took a large enough number of games into account it would totally back up what I'm saying.

Also, in the RO16 there were quite a few matches in which there was no clear favourite.


Statistics are not enough to make predictions. There are other things to take into account like how many leagues are the players currently playing in, do the players have hot streaks or cold streaks, what practice partners did he have before the match, what are the styles of the players, what styles does the map encourage, etc. This info combined with a good look at relevant statistics can give enough info for good predictions. We can't ever know the actual percent chance a player had to win a match because we can't run the match over and over again. Looking at a bunch of different previous matches in order to predict the result of one match will always be significantly inaccurate, although it can be somewhat helpful as I said above.

Top liquibetters get 60-65% of the points. And I doubt anyone even researches matches as much as they possibly could. If there was big money involved, I'm sure people could hit 70%. But even hitting 60-65% would be impossible to maintain if players rarely ever have a >60% chance of winning.

Anyway, my main point is that predicting matches definitely isn't a useless exercise. There are still enough lopsided progaming matches and enough info available to predict them.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
isbunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Sweden1017 Posts
October 19 2007 11:15 GMT
#137
STORCHEN is wow, great job!


BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIZU, VAAAZZZZZIN, PUUUZAN!!1111
KIM TAEK YONG HWAITING!
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
October 20 2007 12:27 GMT
#138
and everyone is now eliminated from the $100 contest

thanks for playing and good luck next time
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thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
October 20 2007 16:22 GMT
#139
who gets the coveted mensrea no-prize?
PePe QuiCoSE
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Argentina1204 Posts
October 20 2007 17:18 GMT
#140
fuck, have i been the only one that picked canata over xellos?
well, i got decently close with my wild predicitions (damn oov too). How many other people got only 2 wrong?
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