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vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-12-12 21:37:12
December 12 2022 21:35 GMT
#1
I don't want to change the balance of the game because it's already balanced enough, and because, since there hasn't been a balance update since 2001, I want to keep the game the same to preserve the integrity of the game's history and legacy.

It's a blessing that we can play on ancient maps from back in the day, and see if the weird builds that people used were actually good on those maps, or if people just know better now. We can recreate historical battles. We can try whether Protoss really was underpowered against Zerg on those maps, or, if modern developments could have saved the race.

However: I think that we should add F1 and F5 to F8 as camera bookmarks.
It won't favour one race over any other. It won't make the game easier to play, because it takes skill to use this new feature. It raises the skill ceiling without dumbing anything down.

We've already let people change their hotkeys, and this turned out to be ok. Terrans no longer butterfingering siege mode on O and losing massive TvP battles because of it, is a much bigger change, but it's turned out to be a fine change. Not having to press i for spider mine is also significant.

It's ok to give players more power, if it takes some thought and skill to unlock that power, which figuring out and learning your own hotkey setup does, even though that hotkey setup is objectively better and "easier". It's not like just straight up adding MBS or automining.

By the same logic, I think that it's time to add more camera bookmarks.
What do you think?
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5452 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-12-12 22:29:06
December 12 2022 22:27 GMT
#2
I'm not sure. Extra camera hotkeys seems like a nerf to drop play at higher level.
How does that weigh against the benefits?

My request:
Give back real old graphics or give wide screen option for old graphics, preferably both. Also a roll back on colors/skins. The neon colored skins and 3 shades or white, green, etc. really ruin the true experience. Either roll backs or make shit optional.

Colors is the worst, it legit makes mutliplater unplayable to me. And having only wide screen available for SC:Redumbed was just a scheme to get people to buy it initially, just like the 2v2 ranked promise...

Another thing I'd like to see is to have shift+1 register immediately, not on second time pressing 1 afterwards. It always seemed like a bug to me, because why would I want to click the hotkey twice after making that decision to add units to my hotkey group?

If I intend to play BW again, it will be on Shield Battery, not on Battle.net. I'm not sure if Shield Battery did something about the colors yet, but last time I checked they did say that topic was on their list to fix/improve.
FBH #1!
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10035 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-12-12 23:05:08
December 12 2022 22:32 GMT
#3
Dreaming is 1 thing, implementing something is a different story. The only place that has the willingness/ability to do something like this is Shieldbattery and no1 even supports it, you think Blizzard cares enough about this game to pay a single intern peanuts to work on it?

That said, personally i think adding F1 as a cam key would be good because it's a useless in-game command, no more than that tho. You could even maybe let ppl rebind their cam keys but that's a more sensitive topic.

But anyways, ppl are gonna stay on Bnet, nothing is gonna get done to improve user experience/the game in general and Bnet will inevitably go down (like it did in the past) due to lack of support from Blizzard. Hacks will flood the ladder or it'll be something else.

From here till then is where ppl/the community have to decide whether or not they wanna keep wasting time or support something worthwhile, if not it might be too late once we reach the end point. This entire topic is very tilting to me because of the lack of support from the foreign community towards a project that'll help take BW to the next stage, everyone's waiting for the worst case scenario to happen before making a move.

P.S: Microsoft might not even be able to save Blizzard
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6868 Posts
December 12 2022 22:47 GMT
#4
Im actually ok with having F1 to F4 as cameras. I will also like have the option to change the rally point from the mouse to a different key. That was something added later as a quality life but for me it cost me sometimes to loss many zerglings in zerg vs zerg. or early game vs protoss where drones just keep going to canons by this non wanted rally point mistake.
Bonyth
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland598 Posts
December 12 2022 23:53 GMT
#5
what i'm curious about is how would the balance look like, if we (players) were allowed to zoom out as much as we please. True strategy game!
vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
December 12 2022 23:55 GMT
#6
RIP Protoss trying to recall
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10035 Posts
December 13 2022 00:12 GMT
#7
On December 13 2022 08:53 Bonyth wrote:
what i'm curious about is how would the balance look like, if we (players) were allowed to zoom out as much as we please. True strategy game!


ya, ive always liked how the game feels when zoomed 1 tick out
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
whylessness
Profile Joined November 2010
United States376 Posts
December 13 2022 04:30 GMT
#8
wow, i completely relied on camera hotkeys when i played sc2. i can't imagine playing without those...
LUCKY_NOOB
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Bulgaria1537 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-12-13 08:51:47
December 13 2022 08:51 GMT
#9
#STOP the updates! Half the updates done in Remastered have broken the game in major ways (flying SCVs, broken and desynced games and replays, exploits, colors)... BW is a jenga tower.
ko-fi.com/luckynoob
kogeT
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2042 Posts
December 13 2022 13:23 GMT
#10
All I want for Christmas is supply depots to build
https://www.twitch.tv/kogetbw
vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
December 13 2022 17:18 GMT
#11
On December 13 2022 13:30 whylessness wrote:
wow, i completely relied on camera hotkeys when i played sc2. i can't imagine playing without those...


They exist in Brood War, but you only get three of them
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
whylessness
Profile Joined November 2010
United States376 Posts
December 13 2022 18:02 GMT
#12
On December 14 2022 02:18 vOdToasT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2022 13:30 whylessness wrote:
wow, i completely relied on camera hotkeys when i played sc2. i can't imagine playing without those...


They exist in Brood War, but you only get three of them


nvm then, adding more would be stupid
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
December 14 2022 05:26 GMT
#13
Now this is QoL that I'm not against, ripping off F1 from my keyboard has become a tradition. But as Peeano said, pros will become super defensive and bind all bases from F1 to F8 and we might never see an epic storm or reaver drop again.
sunbeams are never made like me...
Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
December 15 2022 14:31 GMT
#14
I don’t know where the F1 key I pulled off years ago is anymore
Mine gas, build tanks.
Highgamer
Profile Joined October 2015
1451 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-12-15 20:47:04
December 15 2022 20:45 GMT
#15
On December 14 2022 14:26 outscar wrote:
Now this is QoL that I'm not against, ripping off F1 from my keyboard has become a tradition.

On December 15 2022 23:31 Akio wrote:
I don’t know where the F1 key I pulled off years ago is anymore



No offense to anybody, but I always get remined of that scene when I read that, lol.
Somehow I just never needed to get rid of my F1 to not accidentally hit it.

On topic: Ceterum censeo don't change anything about BW because.
vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-12-16 02:14:32
December 16 2022 02:14 GMT
#16
On topic: Ceterum censeo don't change anything about BW because.


We've already added custom hotkeys and a bigger field of view.
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
MeSaber
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden1235 Posts
December 16 2022 06:56 GMT
#17
As it stands Blizzard has shown they cant change stuff without breaking things so its ill-advised to ask for changes. Even such a small feat as adding F1 to camera location would most likely break something else, thats what all patches has shown, fix one thing break another.

Thats why im against changes and SC:R surely doesnt need rebalancing of any sort. Just by looking at SC2 and their patches i cringe how broken the game is in its core. Its unplayable from a SC:R players perspective.
-.-
Highgamer
Profile Joined October 2015
1451 Posts
December 16 2022 06:59 GMT
#18
On December 16 2022 11:14 vOdToasT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On topic: Ceterum censeo don't change anything about BW because.


We've already added custom hotkeys and a bigger field of view.


Yeah, the heresy, I feel you man. That was the beginning of the end. It's way too noob-friendly now. Imagine, some people never even had to learn to reach for O and P and such or play in 4:3.
Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
December 16 2022 09:46 GMT
#19
On December 16 2022 05:45 Highgamer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2022 14:26 outscar wrote:
Now this is QoL that I'm not against, ripping off F1 from my keyboard has become a tradition.

Show nested quote +
On December 15 2022 23:31 Akio wrote:
I don’t know where the F1 key I pulled off years ago is anymore

https://youtu.be/vjuQs5mEHmw?t=12

No offense to anybody, but I always get remined of that scene when I read that, lol.
Somehow I just never needed to get rid of my F1 to not accidentally hit it.

On topic: Ceterum censeo don't change anything about BW because.

I feel represented in this clip.
Mine gas, build tanks.
vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
December 16 2022 12:28 GMT
#20
On December 16 2022 15:56 MeSaber wrote:
As it stands Blizzard has shown they cant change stuff without breaking things so its ill-advised to ask for changes. Even such a small feat as adding F1 to camera location would most likely break something else, thats what all patches has shown, fix one thing break another.

Thats why im against changes and SC:R surely doesnt need rebalancing of any sort. Just by looking at SC2 and their patches i cringe how broken the game is in its core. Its unplayable from a SC:R players perspective.


From what I know about programming, I disagree, even with StarCraft's spaghetti code. Making F1 a camera button does not risk changing anything, because it's not related to unit behaviour in any way.
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
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