The future of starcraft broodwar

On August 15 2022 05:57 outscar wrote:
BW will die when youngest current KeSPA player will retire, even though we got amateurs rising to back it up. My only worry is how long ASL is going to keep seasons running.

We had good resurgency when Sonic backed up, kudos to him and saved post KeSPA era, then Afreeca saved it and then Remastered happened but it was 5 years ago. We need something new to bring the life back to the game.

On August 15 2022 16:36 Evilbringer wrote:
If there can be said something good about Blizzard, it is fact, that they maintain servers for all games they released. Including games like Diablo 1. So in that way will SC:BW survive.

But do not expect any updates at all - they dont really care about their games any more.

On August 15 2022 00:31 Garrl wrote:
They weren't really taking care of the game prior to remastered, either (pain to even set it up, needed dodgy launchers on >Windows XP, lots of modern routers refused to work even with port forwarding), and there's more and more precedent for companies just turning off servers (eg: https://www.ign.com/articles/ubisoft-to-shut-down-multiplayer-and-online-services-for-15-games-in-september-2022) that even singleplayer games are unplayable. The PR hit is apparently worth it, because it gets people to move to sequels.

What we need is a documented cleanroom reverse engineered open source clone of BW, which would put the power to fix any problems in the community's hands. There is an open source project around BW (OpenBW) but afaik it probably wouldn't hold up if they threatened that project.

On August 15 2022 13:43 Puosu wrote:
warcraft 2 is still fine on private servers, brood war will be too


whats this got to do with server availability for casual/non-pro players?

On August 16 2022 09:24 outscar wrote:


No pros -> no tournaments -> no viewers -> no multiplayer -> no server. The main problem isn't even the server but ghosttown, there'll be no one to play with.

On August 16 2022 11:25 BonitiilloO wrote:
well there arent any new players coming to Broodwar

On August 16 2022 09:44 TMNT wrote:

So true. A lot, if not all players get into the game after watching pro-level games and getting inspired. The pro scene has to keep going to maintain that spark. We're not getting excited and logging into the game just from watching old VODs.

Evidence : many players only returning after Remastered and watching ASL/BSL.

On August 16 2022 13:58 MeSaber wrote:


Whats your source on that?

Dont you see how stupid you look just sitting here guessing like this?

You dont know anything about the state of the game in Korea for example.

Anyone can make a stupid claim like that, im gonna do one now: SCR is growing, based on exactly nothing but intuition.

On August 17 2022 13:36 BonitiilloO wrote:


Growing where? in Korea yeah where else? tell me who is the promising new comer that looks like the next pro gamer? no one dude

tell me one that has appeared in the last 2years? no one new in the pro scene let alone 3rd wolrd countries trying to play a very old game,.

On August 17 2022 04:51 outscar wrote:


I don't worry for it for now. JD and Bisu playing this ASL, FlaSh will be back next year in no time, everything feels alright. Maybe Stork will make a comeback. Eventually all pros will fulfill their military and start playing again. I think best of the best won't leave this game until early 40s if I'm too optimistic, and if we count average player age is 28-30 so we got 10 years saved for us.

On August 18 2022 04:11 G5 wrote:
BW will most likely still be played for decades but in terms of how popular it is today with the general population and especially younger kids, AND taking into account simply how often it's currently played, it can appropriately be deemed a "dead game". It's a lovely, fun, and influential game that cause tremendous waves in gaming and propelled the early eSports industry into what it is today. However, with all of that said, it will never be a top game again and it'll continue a decline year after year. People that love the game, like I do, hate hearing that but it's true.

Let's put it this way. When the absolute largest foreigner tournament can't garner more viewers than the average streamer girl that just throws on a bikini and turns on her stream regularly, it's not a popular game anymore. The only country it's pretty popular in anymore is South Korea. The rest of the world simply doesn't care about it and has moved on.

Honestly that's all okay though. If you love the game, hop on and play. Nothing is stopping you from enjoying the game. Just don't be delusional that it's going to grow into what it used to be or that people are suddenly going to care about it again because it won't grow into something massive and the gaming community generally doesn't care about it anymore.

On August 18 2022 04:11 G5 wrote:
BW will most likely still be played for decades but in terms of how popular it is today with the general population and especially younger kids, AND taking into account simply how often it's currently played, it can appropriately be deemed a "dead game". It's a lovely, fun, and influential game that cause tremendous waves in gaming and propelled the early eSports industry into what it is today. However, with all of that said, it will never be a top game again and it'll continue a decline year after year. People that love the game, like I do, hate hearing that but it's true.

Let's put it this way. When the absolute largest foreigner tournament can't garner more viewers than the average streamer girl that just throws on a bikini and turns on her stream regularly, it's not a popular game anymore. The only country it's pretty popular in anymore is South Korea. The rest of the world simply doesn't care about it and has moved on.

Honestly that's all okay though. If you love the game, hop on and play. Nothing is stopping you from enjoying the game. Just don't be delusional that it's going to grow into what it used to be or that people are suddenly going to care about it again because it won't grow into something massive and the gaming community generally doesn't care about it anymore.

On August 19 2022 02:35 Timebon3s wrote:
BW will at least outlast SC2, that's for sure.

BW is so unique...I wish they'd make SC3 with the BW engine and just fix the stupid pathing and crappy mechanics.
A mix between sc1 and 2..

On August 19 2022 15:37 Shinokuki wrote:


Another clueless fan on the pathing and engine. The pathing is what makes BW special. SC2 actually has unreal pathing. No army moves smooth like that and would break BW in terms of balance.

Also, BW is FARRRR more popular than sc2 at this point. Peak viewership for bw is on par with that of CS GO

On August 19 2022 15:37 Shinokuki wrote:


Another clueless fan on the pathing and engine. The pathing is what makes BW special. SC2 actually has unreal pathing. No army moves smooth like that and would break BW in terms of balance.

Also, BW is FARRRR more popular than sc2 at this point. Peak viewership for bw is on par with that of CS GO

On August 21 2022 02:48 Timebon3s wrote:

Nope, its the unit size that makes it different from sc2.
In sc2 the units are so small that they move like a school of fish

On August 19 2022 15:37 Shinokuki wrote:
Also, BW is FARRRR more popular than sc2 at this point. Peak viewership for bw is on par with that of CS GO

On August 21 2022 06:51 ProMeTheus112 wrote:

Pretty sure it is both : P


Viewership for bw is that high??? I suppose you are using numbers from Afreeca ?_?

On August 18 2022 04:11 G5 wrote:
BW will most likely still be played for decades but in terms of how popular it is today with the general population and especially younger kids, AND taking into account simply how often it's currently played, it can appropriately be deemed a "dead game". It's a lovely, fun, and influential game that cause tremendous waves in gaming and propelled the early eSports industry into what it is today. However, with all of that said, it will never be a top game again and it'll continue a decline year after year. People that love the game, like I do, hate hearing that but it's true.

Let's put it this way. When the absolute largest foreigner tournament can't garner more viewers than the average streamer girl that just throws on a bikini and turns on her stream regularly, it's not a popular game anymore. The only country it's pretty popular in anymore is South Korea. The rest of the world simply doesn't care about it and has moved on.

Honestly that's all okay though. If you love the game, hop on and play. Nothing is stopping you from enjoying the game. Just don't be delusional that it's going to grow into what it used to be or that people are suddenly going to care about it again because it won't grow into something massive and the gaming community generally doesn't care about it anymore.

On August 15 2022 05:57 outscar wrote:
BW will die when youngest current KeSPA player will retire, even though we got amateurs rising to back it up. My only worry is how long ASL is going to keep seasons running.

We had good resurgency when Sonic backed up, kudos to him and saved post KeSPA era, then Afreeca saved it and then Remastered happened but it was 5 years ago. We need something new to bring the life back to the game.

On August 26 2022 20:08 MeSaber wrote:

BW is a hobby and you have to conform to that.

On August 26 2022 20:08 MeSaber wrote:
Well if you base BW as your family then something is wrong. Its still a game and it shouldnt come before your real family.

BW is a hobby and you have to conform to that.

On August 27 2022 19:03 pebble444 wrote:


I was under the impression BW is more like a religion or spiritual movement

On August 28 2022 04:12 TT1 wrote:
and Thou shall a move

On August 28 2022 17:46 lestye wrote:

I don't think that's right. You can find family with whatever. And blood family can be awful at times.

Granted like, finding family with Brood War seems like itd be hard nowadays because of the lack of real-person interaction outside of Korea.

On August 28 2022 04:09 pebble444 wrote:
the ten commandments of Broodwar:

1 Thou shall not balance wine.
2 Thou shall not make fun of certain AI stupidities.
3 Thou shall try at least once playing each race.
4 Thou shall partecipate in the community as one can.
5 Thou shall embrace with tolerance others forms of play other than 1vs1.
6 Thou shall agree that 'tis a great game, a great story, a great creation.
7 Thou shall not mention the sequel of broodwar.
8 Thou shall not cheat while playing.
9 Thou shall have a good game.
10 Thou shall see the game as perfectly balanced.

On August 28 2022 19:22 BLinD-RawR wrote:


after I saw someone say they live and die for this game I sort of accepted that there is a religious sentiment towards the game.

On August 31 2022 21:09 masoka82 wrote:
I understand that in Peru and Bolivia it is also still a relatively popular game. Even companies like Samsung are still sponsoring tournaments.

Samsung Liga Pro Gaming StarCraft Season 1 (SLPG 1)

On August 26 2022 19:05 LUCKY_NOOB wrote:
I would worry more about me being alive in 20 years than BW being alive.

If you want more players get ur friends and family to play.

Many people tell me "none of my friends play or like BW".. To that I say, try harder or find new friends AND family!

The global human population will reach 8.0 billion in mid-November 2022. So don't tell me there are no ppl who could be playing...

^_._^

On October 16 2022 08:23 esdf wrote:
is there any working alternative to iccup nowadays?

On October 16 2022 17:54 kogeT wrote:
I had a dream that blizzard patched unit pathing (more often cycle of finding an optimal path), fixed units getting stuck at some frames, reavers not firing… just as an option to players.

On August 28 2022 19:22 BLinD-RawR wrote:


after I saw someone say they live and die for this game I sort of accepted that there is a religious sentiment towards the game.

On August 31 2022 20:47 Rovant1c wrote:
Hi,Chinese BW players have been growing since it was released in 2018(CN version).

I remember there were only a few hundred people in the beginning.But now 2022,There can often be 4 or 5 thousand players online on weekends.