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The future of starcraft broodwar

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noodlesoap35
Profile Joined August 2022
2 Posts
August 14 2022 09:26 GMT
#1
I know there are many people around the world who still love Starcraft broodwar as do I. However I do get the sense that blizzard are not going to take care of the game forever. Does it cost blizzard money to keep the servers running? Do the game run, on the same servers as over watch? I truly don’t know how it works. In 20 years if want to play Starcraft with someone will I haft to take my pc to their house and set up lan connection? Any insight to this would be appreciated thank you.
LML
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Germany1783 Posts
August 14 2022 10:22 GMT
#2
There is always the risk of the company shutting down the servers if it's not financially viable enough in their eyes anymore.
If that ever were to happen, we currently have shieldbattery.net as our refuge. In the past there were more private servers, but most of those have shut down (partly due to Blizzard's demand iirc).
LML
Garrl
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Scotland1976 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-08-14 15:34:04
August 14 2022 15:31 GMT
#3
They weren't really taking care of the game prior to remastered, either (pain to even set it up, needed dodgy launchers on >Windows XP, lots of modern routers refused to work even with port forwarding), and there's more and more precedent for companies just turning off servers (eg: https://www.ign.com/articles/ubisoft-to-shut-down-multiplayer-and-online-services-for-15-games-in-september-2022) that even singleplayer games are unplayable. The PR hit is apparently worth it, because it gets people to move to sequels.

What we need is a documented cleanroom reverse engineered open source clone of BW, which would put the power to fix any problems in the community's hands. There is an open source project around BW (OpenBW) but afaik it probably wouldn't hold up if they threatened that project.
jinjin5000
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1490 Posts
August 14 2022 20:07 GMT
#4
really says a lot when mappool hasn't been updated and there's whole renewed interest with the academy scene for a year now and blizzard has done nothing to monetize anything when it's been raking in viewers
pebble444
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Italy2503 Posts
August 14 2022 20:25 GMT
#5
Broodwar has such strong roots, that it will never die; blizzard does not actively support broodwar; the pro player base will grow and go in pension. Therefore likely broodwar will experience a dark age, like it never saw before.

This should not worry you at all. Nothing will ever stop you from opening up Starcraft and play a game, whenever, whatever.

As I said, the game will never truly die. It’s been played even I 2014, I remember, when nobody pro was really playing it. But I was, and hundreds of others too. It’s just too good to be true, and is, but do not expect a presidential treatment at all times
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outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
August 14 2022 20:57 GMT
#6
BW will die when youngest current KeSPA player will retire, even though we got amateurs rising to back it up. My only worry is how long ASL is going to keep seasons running.

We had good resurgency when Sonic backed up, kudos to him and saved post KeSPA era, then Afreeca saved it and then Remastered happened but it was 5 years ago. We need something new to bring the life back to the game.
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Puosu
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
7012 Posts
August 15 2022 04:43 GMT
#7
warcraft 2 is still fine on private servers, brood war will be too

On August 15 2022 05:57 outscar wrote:
BW will die when youngest current KeSPA player will retire, even though we got amateurs rising to back it up. My only worry is how long ASL is going to keep seasons running.

We had good resurgency when Sonic backed up, kudos to him and saved post KeSPA era, then Afreeca saved it and then Remastered happened but it was 5 years ago. We need something new to bring the life back to the game.

whats this got to do with server availability for casual/non-pro players?
HOLYBATS
Profile Joined August 2021
Turkey770 Posts
August 15 2022 07:04 GMT
#8
BW will never die. I am sure SC3 will come up like AOE4.
Evilbringer
Profile Joined April 2010
Czech Republic84 Posts
August 15 2022 07:36 GMT
#9
If there can be said something good about Blizzard, it is fact, that they maintain servers for all games they released. Including games like Diablo 1. So in that way will SC:BW survive.

But do not expect any updates at all - they dont really care about their games any more.
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Gigocap
Profile Joined August 2022
1 Post
August 15 2022 08:42 GMT
#10
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iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4405 Posts
August 15 2022 09:21 GMT
#11
On August 15 2022 16:36 Evilbringer wrote:
If there can be said something good about Blizzard, it is fact, that they maintain servers for all games they released. Including games like Diablo 1. So in that way will SC:BW survive.

But do not expect any updates at all - they dont really care about their games any more.

I think they will put a little more attention in next year, maybe an update or two.Surely some special 25th anniversary event.

Have hardly played myself lately, just no time nowdays but as others said Warcraft II and Diablo I are still able to be played on battle net.The bigger issues are lack of action against hackers and general decline in user base, Doubt the server will be shut down in the next 5 years.
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Mutaller
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
United States1051 Posts
August 15 2022 15:38 GMT
#12
On August 15 2022 18:21 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2022 16:36 Evilbringer wrote:
If there can be said something good about Blizzard, it is fact, that they maintain servers for all games they released. Including games like Diablo 1. So in that way will SC:BW survive.

But do not expect any updates at all - they dont really care about their games any more.

I think they will put a little more attention in next year, maybe an update or two.Surely some special 25th anniversary event.

Have hardly played myself lately, just no time nowdays but as others said Warcraft II and Diablo I are still able to be played on battle net.The bigger issues are lack of action against hackers and general decline in user base, Doubt the server will be shut down in the next 5 years.


I think SC2 will get the most of the anniversary tbh. They will label it 25 years of StarCraft rather than 25 year anniversary of the original StarCraft. They did this for the 20th anniversary
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jchassoul
Profile Joined February 2019
Costa Rica72 Posts
August 15 2022 21:22 GMT
#13
Someone please make UI to OpenBW
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tec27
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States3702 Posts
August 16 2022 00:10 GMT
#14
On August 15 2022 00:31 Garrl wrote:
They weren't really taking care of the game prior to remastered, either (pain to even set it up, needed dodgy launchers on >Windows XP, lots of modern routers refused to work even with port forwarding), and there's more and more precedent for companies just turning off servers (eg: https://www.ign.com/articles/ubisoft-to-shut-down-multiplayer-and-online-services-for-15-games-in-september-2022) that even singleplayer games are unplayable. The PR hit is apparently worth it, because it gets people to move to sequels.

What we need is a documented cleanroom reverse engineered open source clone of BW, which would put the power to fix any problems in the community's hands. There is an open source project around BW (OpenBW) but afaik it probably wouldn't hold up if they threatened that project.

ShieldBattery already adds features and fixes bugs on the existing game client, with no real dependency on Blizzard's servers (outside of them verifying that you've purchased whatever graphics/sounds/interface that you're trying to use, which even a full reimplementation of the client would need to do). The power is already in the community's hands, not really sure why people act like something new needs to be created.
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outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-08-16 00:29:44
August 16 2022 00:24 GMT
#15
On August 15 2022 13:43 Puosu wrote:
warcraft 2 is still fine on private servers, brood war will be too

Show nested quote +
On August 15 2022 05:57 outscar wrote:
BW will die when youngest current KeSPA player will retire, even though we got amateurs rising to back it up. My only worry is how long ASL is going to keep seasons running.

We had good resurgency when Sonic backed up, kudos to him and saved post KeSPA era, then Afreeca saved it and then Remastered happened but it was 5 years ago. We need something new to bring the life back to the game.

whats this got to do with server availability for casual/non-pro players?


No pros -> no tournaments -> no viewers -> no multiplayer -> no server. The main problem isn't even the server but ghosttown, there'll be no one to play with.
sunbeams are never made like me...
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3131 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-08-16 00:46:05
August 16 2022 00:44 GMT
#16
On August 16 2022 09:24 outscar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2022 13:43 Puosu wrote:
warcraft 2 is still fine on private servers, brood war will be too

On August 15 2022 05:57 outscar wrote:
BW will die when youngest current KeSPA player will retire, even though we got amateurs rising to back it up. My only worry is how long ASL is going to keep seasons running.

We had good resurgency when Sonic backed up, kudos to him and saved post KeSPA era, then Afreeca saved it and then Remastered happened but it was 5 years ago. We need something new to bring the life back to the game.

whats this got to do with server availability for casual/non-pro players?


No pros -> no tournaments -> no viewers -> no multiplayer -> no server. The main problem isn't even the server but ghosttown, there'll be no one to play with.

So true. A lot, if not all players get into the game after watching pro-level games and getting inspired. The pro scene has to keep going to maintain that spark. We're not getting excited and logging into the game just from watching old VODs.

Evidence : many players only returning after Remastered and watching ASL/BSL.
BonitiilloO
Profile Joined June 2013
Dominican Republic627 Posts
August 16 2022 02:25 GMT
#17
well there arent any new players coming to Broodwar, when was the last time you had a teenager insterested in broodwar? so i guess if things continue like this Broodwar will be empty by 2030.

current progamers will be way to old to keep playing this game imo.
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MeSaber
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden1235 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-08-16 04:59:05
August 16 2022 04:58 GMT
#18
On August 16 2022 11:25 BonitiilloO wrote:
well there arent any new players coming to Broodwar


Whats your source on that?

Dont you see how stupid you look just sitting here guessing like this?

You dont know anything about the state of the game in Korea for example.

Anyone can make a stupid claim like that, im gonna do one now: SCR is growing, based on exactly nothing but intuition.
-.-
XenOsky
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Chile2356 Posts
August 16 2022 06:46 GMT
#19
BW is ded gaem


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i've heard that shit since 2003
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JoinTheRain
Profile Blog Joined September 2018
Bulgaria409 Posts
August 16 2022 18:52 GMT
#20
There was no pro scene for a few years after KESPA era ended. Yet ICCup was there and also Korean private servers where the game was quite lively. We never mention China too, but watching BSL it seems they somehow make rather capable players who are obviously not on Korean pro level but are still quite entertaining to watch.
All in all I'm not too worried about the near future of BW. But 30 years from now? Come on, that's ridiculous, I can't imagine young people getting too much into our archaic beloved game and the older folk can't play at a pro level that long as they have other responsibilities.
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