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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
I suppose this can double as a Things-We'd-Like-For-Starcraft-2 topic, but in light of "Why do you love playing X" I figure we should discuss the things about Starcraft that really, truly, honest-to-god blow.
For example:
* Battle.net blank screens when you hit join game * Not being able to chat or scroll around during the disconnect screen * The fact that almost everyone likes to talk authoritatively about Starcraft as if they are some huge expert on the game even though they've never played beyond NR15 FMP * Goliath/dragoon pathfinding * Building buildings inside your mineral line * Trying to get your guys up a ramp
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8748 Posts
Much, much less money to be won than in other games.
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No one wants to sponsor foreigner events T_T Bugs
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
getting owned all the time
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Sitting and waiting for 200 supply.
Rushing could be better.
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Taiche
France1963 Posts
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Reaver / Scarab AI Dragoon AI
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Belgium8305 Posts
full of players from countries that haven't been able to develop culture or civilization yet despite having been around for centuries
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the only thing bad i can think of is maybe the goon/reaver ai
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On August 29 2007 22:21 NonY[rC] wrote: Much, much less money to be won than in other games.
SC2 will be huge. ESWC, WSVG, CGS, WCG... any tournament that DOESNT have an event for it would be foolish.
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the fact that im still noob after like 2 years of playing.
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Not being able to see messages while joining games (as a result missing a bunch of messages directed at me)
Diablo II does this right
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-latency should be shown in figures, inlcuding before game screen, and perhaps in player list screen in game (enabling you to boot high ping laggers) -during disconnect screen chatting should be enabled (like in wc3). -divisional ladders in each server, same system as wc3(hey cmon it's good and quick ) -ability to join a friends game via double clicking their name on friends list.
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- the fact pretty much anyone play the same right now , same bo they dont know why they do the build order and can only macro in midle game ,they got no fucking micro ( aka A move win or loss ) they suck and deserve to alway loss since they got no real skill . i realy hate loss vs chobo like that in t v p .
- the fact you need take more that 10 min for kill chobo in some matchup .
- i realy hate fucking imbalanced defiler in t v z , they alway piss me off and are way too strong .
- hate you cant do /R or /reply when someone msg you , some time they get ugly fucking long name and take time just write that .
- reaver scarab ai and goon ai ( but that alway fun see reaver miss shot when im not the toss )
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Trinidad/Tobago1177 Posts
Becuase I know what i want to do, and have an idea of how i want to play. But I can't execute appropriately ! Probably not enough practice >.<
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Lack of big events (involving money), limiting the competition and number of teams existing.
Other than that... it's just things I hate about any thing I do for fun and competition so it's not really starcraft related.
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On August 29 2007 22:36 Taiche wrote: Because of BM morons.
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Takes up too much of my time...
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The whole way bnet is setup. The annoying sound when u click join or cancle. the annoying disconnect and have to wait so long. the annoying thing about not being able to scroll up your chat text (like you can do in a shell program) the annoying thing about using alt or something to copy a text in chatroom. the annoying korean font in every public game the annoying thing about ladder the annoying thing about not being able to change hotkeys without resulting to an outsider program the annoying thing that they disc you if you watch a replay on ur own for too long. the annoying thing about harder to find someone you want to play without going to iccup.
most of them are related to bnet and its interface. they really should have a button that lets you disable bnet interface sounds. it gets annoying if you try to find a game to join.
and yes... most of them are fixed in war3 bnet but we can't get one in original starcraft and have to wait for starcraft 2?
My suggestion, have a striped - down interface that can run as a desktop application with better chatting - socialising support without booting up the game.
load the game faster! if starcraft2 takes as much time to load as war3 i'm going to puke. thats the one thing i hate about war3 apart from the general game retardness. (this is wishful thinking consider starcraft2 is gonna be a graphical monster)
better community support. Why ban 3rd party servers? why not support them, give them a sustainable fund and let the community run themselves if blizzard can not be bothered? its not like you are charging people to use bnet.
simplefy the process of joining game. simpfy watching replays on bnet. why make people do 3 or 4 actions before they can get in a game? why not make it 2 actions for someone to create a game and 1 action for a person to join?
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zerg buildings beign limited by creep 
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On August 29 2007 22:25 alffla wrote:getting owned all the time 
plus im ALWAYS sweating like crazy when i play on bnet competatively...dunno why
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path finding on sin peaks
bnet: sounds adverts every game is in korean you have to download about 9999 versions of each map (especially lost temple), because someone wanted to change the font colour. so hard to find a good matchup because 'noob' games range from people with 0-10 to 300-400 90% of games are UMS no-one uses the One-on-One game type for 1v1s so thats useless
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Complete disregard for Chinese players. Last year i was in China, it is not possible to buy a legit copy of starcraft -_- (actually you can but the cdkey you have to register online and the company that handles it went bankrupt.) even with a cd key you can not play bnet efficiently -_-. i know its hard because China has shitfuck internet to the outside world but why not set up a Chinese gateway? is the cost of doing so too much compare to having people getting pirated copies and play on lan emulators?
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Scouting a dt rush and preparing for it : Having 6-9 mines spread out in zig-zags and a turret at choke with like 2 tanks 2 vult following the FD build. Then you still lose because they send zeal/goon to clear every single mine somehow and dt's follow and chop the turret in less than a second. T__T
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BM retards and the fact that it takes so much time and is so hard to play stoned
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People who complain about perfection
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On August 30 2007 01:38 Hawk wrote:BM retards and the fact that it takes so much time and is so hard to play stoned 
I don't see gameplay change THAT much playing stoned (unless you're heavily baked). Yes i'm serious.
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Getting owned when i was too lazy. - tvt: carefully killing all mines, order my troops back, switch to base, and hear something explode (yep my units) - tvz: when zerglings break trough my marines on the ramp and surround me. - tvz/t: my shity scv defense - tvp getting totaly fucked by carriers.
The funny thing is i allways smile when someone ownes my marines with lurker stop. I'm just "yeah got me there". But when i get terrain abused by carriers for 10 minutes i have to stop playing afterwards.
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- Not being able to LEAVE during drop screen. Why should I have to wait 45 seconds for someone who lags out in the first second of the game?
- The random one sound that becomes absurdly LOUD if you alt-tab away then back to a game. It's funniest when it's the siege tank blast, but annoying nonetheless. It's usually the send/receive message beeps, since if I alt tab it's usually at the beginning of an obs game to kill a process.
- Color inversion from other applications trying to gain focus, or simply from them running (You can't have Rosetta Stone open and play SC).
- Not being able to lock teams except in FFA. 2v2v2v2 would be a fun game type if there wasn't a team of three 50% of the time, and two guys from separate teams re-allying the other 50%.
- Hacks. It's one thing to have 10 year old base-code that doesn't allow modern hack prevention. But to ban every 3rd party anti-hack like penguin...makes me wonder whose side they're on.
- Blank game list. I get it an average of 2-3 times for every game I play. I'm not sure if it's just inadequate servers not returning because of an overload of calls, or if it's specifically programmed in flood control. Either way, it'd be trivial to fix.
- Not being able to ignore mini-map pings. Too many obs games are ruined because some BM obs ping-spams.
- Not having a squelch list, like the friends list. I know I did well in the one random game we played together a month ago, but that doesn't mean I want to hear you talk to your 14 year old friends about who's a "fag," or have to manually squelch you every time you log on.
- Not being able to ban by IP address or CD-key. All someone has to do is use their name spoofer or relog on a different account to join the game you just banned them from.
- Not being able to watch old replays. I think you can do it with third party programs, but it never worked for me with bwchart. It should be implemented in the game itself.
- The 256 replay limit per folder for single-player. Could you really not spare another byte or two so I don't have to log on to watch replays?
- Replay slot limit. I don't know if there are current work-arounds, but it'd be nice to watch a replay of a 1v1 RoV with 2 friends.
- Corrupt replays. I don't remember both players just pumping workers to the rally point for the last 15 minutes of the game then leaving with 8000 mins in the bank and still no attacking units, but according to the replay that's what happened.
I'm sure I'll remember more, but I better post this before all of mine have already been said.
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I love Koreans, but there's way too many of them on US East/West and like 80% of them boot me from their games. 
Everyone that doesn't play competitively plays Hunters, BGH, LT, and maybe Fastest Possible map (hence the need to find a partner).
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- Latency settings. It should be set by host before game starts (like game speed) and not changeable during the game. The latency of your connection doesn't change during a game. If you REALLY want to play with someone with high latency, you can remake. Otherwise, I don't like having to set it back to low every 3 seconds if I play a game on BGH. I've actually had a 'dead' player spam it to extra high to stop my muta harassment on his ally, and people change it to extra-high so my 1 vulture can't stop infinite zealots by itself.
- Lag at start because of music. It should load the music before the game starts so it doesn't ruin (or sometimes help) your split.
- The 2 month old games on the game list. A script to delete games older than 1 hour old, or to prevent them from being returned would be trivial to write. There's no reason why 50% of the first call returns games that don't exist anymore.
- Sorting convention for maps and folders. Every retard names his map "[ dumb map name" so it gets to the top of your download folder. [Up one level] should ALWAYS be the top item, and NOTHING ELSE should be above directories.
I also hate how every idiot thinks closing/opening slots or remaking somehow helps your chances of filling the game. There is no refresh feature in StarCraft (and there shouldn't be), although when someone joins, it appears to affect how quickly your game is returned when new people make a call on the game list (so rejoining appears to help). Of course these are the same idiots that think a fraction of a second of slow-down or drop screen means extra-high latency is needed, even though 99% of lag nowadays is caused by bandwidth, not latency.
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I hate how every time i'm in a game i'm noob and forget one critical thing (research consume, lair at first 100 gas, etc. stupid stuff), and proceed to get raped because of late tech/spamming "cccw" "wtf'ynoconsumeswarmzT_T".
- Not having a squelch list, like the friends list. I know I did well in the one random game we played together a month ago, but that doesn't mean I want to hear you talk to your 14 year old friends about who's a "fag," or have to manually squelch you every time you log on.
i have to agree with this one as well
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extra high owning your micro. you know its bad when people are setting extra high DURING your split.
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
i played a pvz vs octopuss today where, with maybe 10 templar, i forgot to research storm hehe
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- Players who complain whether win or lose.
- The people that think Starcraft is a game of black/white strategical extremes. When something not normal/standard works vs them it is simply a "miss" or "luck"
- How much more important macro is than anything else now.
- Lack of a large tournament scene(ie, pc cafes and lan events throwing 1-2 day cash money tournaments). WCG just isnt worth the time.
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Time it takes up Popularity outside of South Korea
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not being able to host games
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Not being able to make a private game with 2 of my friends becuase of how bad it lags even though it doesnt lag with any combination of 2 people. People get into stupid agruements and end up spamming the chat with insults. Bots that send spam messages to you.
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Germany1302 Posts
Because Bnet for SC beeing a technical relict of the late 90's ...
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bc i cant finish a game within 15mn
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Bcause my apm is 200+ and I would lose to people alot less than that.
People leaving when the game is full house, or if thers 3 ppl for a 1:1, they just leave
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On August 30 2007 03:33 red.venom wrote: - How much more important macro is than anything else now.
blame oov. repeatedly.
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I don't hate this game at all.
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because u still play it even if u do not really like it anymore ^^
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Because no one here takes you seriously when you say that you play Starcraft. It's always "Oh, you don't play CS/SuperSmash/WC3? Fuck off."
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Battlenet sucks. I want AMM.
I also hate idiots who leave public games
Other than the outdated interface and terrans owning my ass I love the game!
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8748 Posts
Extra high latency sucks, but I hate that there isn't an extra low latency that would make a b.net game Hamachi-like.
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On August 30 2007 01:44 meRz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2007 01:38 Hawk wrote:BM retards and the fact that it takes so much time and is so hard to play stoned  I don't see gameplay change THAT much playing stoned (unless you're heavily baked). Yes i'm serious.
It's very much dependent on how stoned you are and what you're smoking =p
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I love these complaints, because they're mine, too.
- Latency settings. It should be set by host before game starts (like game speed) and not changeable during the game. The latency of your connection doesn't change during a game. If you REALLY want to play with someone with high latency, you can remake. Otherwise, I don't like having to set it back to low every 3 seconds if I play a game on BGH. I've actually had a 'dead' player spam it to extra high to stop my muta harassment on his ally, and people change it to extra-high so my 1 vulture can't stop infinite zealots by itself. Haha, I actually learned a strategy when I got owned by a terrible player who had an ace in the hole. I had much higher APM than him, but he nullified my advantage by turning latency to extra high just as he dropped my main base. Suddenly, my awesome rines could barely kill a lurker, let alone move out of the way, so they all died as I stared in disbelief at my nonresponsive units. I didn't even know what to think, until I realized I could do this to other people
- Lag at start because of music. It should load the music before the game starts so it doesn't ruin (or sometimes help) your split.
Is that what causes beginning lag?! For years, I thought it was just the game syncing up. It was always strange to me that these people lagged at the start, then didn't lag ever again. Noobs always use that initial lag during lagger witch-hunts, which seems completely misguided.
- The 2 month old games on the game list. A script to delete games older than 1 hour old, or to prevent them from being returned would be trivial to write. There's no reason why 50% of the first call returns games that don't exist anymore.
This, and BLACK JOIN LIST, is the most annoying thing I've ever seen on a multiplayer game. I log on, wait 2 minutes for BLJ to go away, see 2-3 games I want to get into quick, and double click - wait, wait, wait... wait - OOPS, latency too high! It was made at 11:17 am, fifteen days ago! I click the next - wait, wait, wait...- OOPS! Finally, I click the 'real' game, but it's already started because I wasted 5 minutes on BLJ and clicking two nonexistent games. ARGH!
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On August 30 2007 04:31 DhakhaR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2007 03:33 red.venom wrote: - How much more important macro is than anything else now. blame oov. repeatedly.
Don't blame SKT1 jackass. Blame Nada. What a gay.
I also wish SC had an easy mode for smokers. The multitasking becomes impossibleeee. But it seems SC2 is already on stoner ez mode.
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Wannabe-pros who think they are so good until they get their ass kick by a real pro. They're cocky and back it up by beating less experienced players.
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Armchair BW players who spend more time watching and the other 1% playing.
They think they know everything because they see Korean pros do it, but no fucking understanding why due to lack of experience. They discredit any strategies that they don't see pros do on TV.
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When workers get addicted to gas and won't go build a building or whatever. The lack of a /r feature. Many times i've been in heated game and can't respond to people (because typoing their names) and they get all pissed off at me or keep spamming messages at me.
Stupid noobs who believe in hypes or fads like f5 will speed up DL or close/open slots refreshes the game list or Extra High latency is the best. Seriously go away. I've been in so many latency settings battles, I have only lost 1 or 2.
f10 o n l
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
omfg rofl yeah the workers addicted to gas
what the fuck is up with that
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MyLostTemple
United States2921 Posts
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I hate watching replays in the single player interface cause the minimap sucks and all units warps like hell. I don't know why, but it's very enervating.
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On August 30 2007 07:10 MyLostTemple wrote: i love starcraft :O I thought you were gonna say something like "cause observers can't see whats in shuttles, energy on a unit, etc."
Observers as in when you are observing in a game.
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I hate it when my Goliaths just take a cig' when the enemy's Carriers rape my base.
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Because I didn't get into it 6 years earlier, like I should have
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I don't play it anymore coz always when I try to find an opponent he is super gosu and pwnz me or he is uber noob and it's just boring. Need AMM 8|
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When units just stop when you are trying to constantly attack, move, attack.
Blank screen.
Not being able to host.
Reavers being retarded
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On August 30 2007 07:28 H_ wrote: Because I didn't get into it 6 years earlier, like I should have yah seriously...
everything already said +
-high ground advantage being based on chance. -observers cant get critters to explode =( -starting with 4 workers and not 6 ^^ -patrol advantages over using attack is just stupid -high templars spinning in circles and not turning into an archon -variable gathering rates depending on the location of vespene gysers -crappy in-game music -scv's randomly moving around a structure as they build it often getting themselves killed or blocking other scv's and canceling structures -_-
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On August 29 2007 22:36 Taiche wrote: Because of BM morons. damn thats so true. die bad manner morons!
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On August 30 2007 08:17 hwasingodlysense wrote:damn thats so true. die bad manner morons!
Dude awesome id hwasin ftw
bnet for me. There's so much room for improvement; I really wish blizzard did something =/ And to the people who say "reaver scarab AI" : I'm glad the reaver is a bit screwy, otherwise it'd be kinda rigged. If the reaver scarab AI was perfect then the scarab cost would have to go up in order to balance it out. Right now it's way too cheap for it to hit all fleeing targets with full dmg.
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scvs are fucking dumb and a lot of times when you a click they dont even attack, theyll go to the spot you clicked do nothing and then run away when zealots or whatever come to attack
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On August 30 2007 00:56 InfesTeD]i[ wrote: Bnet. latency for the fucking loss
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I don't know if it's been said yet (Only read first and last page)...
Fucking losing a really tough game. You bust your balls off so hard for so long only to lose. It sucks ass. You feel over whelmed after it, and just quit playing SC for a couple hours.
(Maybe this only happens to me)
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because kids will do anything to climb a ladder
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because i can never find any FUCKING games on iccup!!!!
the only times i can play are in the evening and early nighttime EST, when theres NOBODY on B- or higher. fucking annoying as hell. and i don't have any decent friends i can play with on east/west/euro =*(
damn korean timezone...
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United States7166 Posts
Not being able to build a hatch at your nat because zerg's create building mechanic is so retarded that a probe/scv can block it for 100 yrs.
argh gets me pissed just thinking about it.
also that it's apparently impossible to prevent maphacking over bnet
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On August 30 2007 13:04 Krohm wrote: I don't know if it's been said yet (Only read first and last page)...
Fucking losing a really tough game. You bust your balls off so hard for so long only to lose. It sucks ass. You feel over whelmed after it, and just quit playing SC for a couple hours.
(Maybe this only happens to me)
Yea this happens to everyone I think...What I really hate and it lingers on me for awhile is when I lose a game that I SHOULD of won.
I'm not saying the other guy is a noobie, but I hate losing a game because half way through while winning I get cocky and try to "gay" my opponent or just lower my apm pace...I hate losing that way, its the worst, I even fail so regretful after the game...
I know this is my own fault, but still its something I hate about starcraft.
I once had a game where my opponents last floating rax was around, and my last ebay was in the corner in water. I dropped my goliaths, fired at it till 20 hp, then waited for it to burn but.......he repairs it with scvs after he tells me he actually had 200 minerals not 43 like he said before...
That is why you should always try your hardest all the way to the end...
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Because Blizzard doesn't give a shit about it.It obviously shows.
I hate playing starcraft because of the koreans. How do we beat a race who worships this game like a god?
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