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If he wants to play this ASL he would have come back a while ago. No way he just registered and play qualifiers without apologizing to fans first.
I think if he continues streaming, it will be ASL commentary and college content first. Whether or not he will play competitive BW remains to be seen.
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On January 21 2022 14:47 Dante08 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2022 05:43 redknights wrote:
ASL is definitely the highest stakes in terms of prestige but these low stakes streamer matches can even be higher prize money than top 8/top 4 ASL (e.g. Soulkey dropping out of ASL11 since stream matches were more profitable and he was in debt). Best hasn't performed well in ASL recently but I feel like there is an overemphasis on ASL results for casual fans. Hope Best and Snow perform well in ASL, but no one should discount their skill even if they don't.
I agree with this. I think for many of the seasoned progamers ASL is not as important as it may seem to the casual viewer. I watch their 4:4 proleagues regularly and it seems they really care about winning these because it means fan support / higher viewership / prize money for winning the sets. And it's not peanuts either, I remember Snow was really sad on stream once and the Koreans in chat told me it's because they could have won 4K USD (!). That's for one proleague, just some games played on stream.
Come to think of it, streaming and playing proleagues and sponsored BO3/BO5 or other showmatches is where the real and regular money is. ASL takes place twice a year and the money is not really that great until you make it to the higher rounds. Plus in the end, ASL is just a series. Anyone can have a better or worse day. It's not really indicative of skill just because someone got defeated early. Best is a good example like some people here said. He got eliminated from the last ASL in the round of 24 I believe and still he regularly beats players like Rush, Hero etc.
This is obviously just my take on this, but I don't think I'm far off here.
I think the 4K USD is an outlier, most of the online proleagues are in the range of 4000 to 10000 star balloons (roughly $400-$1000 USD) per person. If it even reaches $500 a person, the pros call it a big pot. sponsored BO3/BO5 tend to top out at $30 and $50 USD respectively But let's be real here, the big bucks money has now shifted to college content. There used to be multiple proleagues run nightly, but these days it's hard to even get 1 running. Only Light, Queen, Soma, Mini, and Soulkey are left for top players not involved at all w college content. Even Rush and Sharp, who were previously reluctant to be involved in college stuff, are now fully on board. They probably saw how much money others were making and didn't want to miss out The silver lining is that college content is probably the main reason we have players like Rain and Sea coming back to try and qualify for ASL Maybe Microsoft pumps in cash for ASL one day, one can hope!
Does anyone know if Microsoft as a company is disgustingly rich or is that just Bill Gates
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Is anyone going to do a stream of the quals? Any information on this, yall?
EAGS
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On January 21 2022 23:01 redknights wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2022 14:47 Dante08 wrote:On January 20 2022 05:43 redknights wrote:
ASL is definitely the highest stakes in terms of prestige but these low stakes streamer matches can even be higher prize money than top 8/top 4 ASL (e.g. Soulkey dropping out of ASL11 since stream matches were more profitable and he was in debt). Best hasn't performed well in ASL recently but I feel like there is an overemphasis on ASL results for casual fans. Hope Best and Snow perform well in ASL, but no one should discount their skill even if they don't.
I agree with this. I think for many of the seasoned progamers ASL is not as important as it may seem to the casual viewer. I watch their 4:4 proleagues regularly and it seems they really care about winning these because it means fan support / higher viewership / prize money for winning the sets. And it's not peanuts either, I remember Snow was really sad on stream once and the Koreans in chat told me it's because they could have won 4K USD (!). That's for one proleague, just some games played on stream.
Come to think of it, streaming and playing proleagues and sponsored BO3/BO5 or other showmatches is where the real and regular money is. ASL takes place twice a year and the money is not really that great until you make it to the higher rounds. Plus in the end, ASL is just a series. Anyone can have a better or worse day. It's not really indicative of skill just because someone got defeated early. Best is a good example like some people here said. He got eliminated from the last ASL in the round of 24 I believe and still he regularly beats players like Rush, Hero etc.
This is obviously just my take on this, but I don't think I'm far off here.
I think the 4K USD is an outlier, most of the online proleagues are in the range of 4000 to 10000 star balloons (roughly $400-$1000 USD) per person. If it even reaches $500 a person, the pros call it a big pot. sponsored BO3/BO5 tend to top out at $30 and $50 USD respectively But let's be real here, the big bucks money has now shifted to college content. There used to be multiple proleagues run nightly, but these days it's hard to even get 1 running. Only Light, Queen, Soma, Mini, and Soulkey are left for top players not involved at all w college content. Even Rush and Sharp, who were previously reluctant to be involved in college stuff, are now fully on board. They probably saw how much money others were making and didn't want to miss out The silver lining is that college content is probably the main reason we have players like Rain and Sea coming back to try and qualify for ASL Maybe Microsoft pumps in cash for ASL one day, one can hope! Does anyone know if Microsoft as a company is disgustingly rich or is that just Bill Gates
Microsoft has about $2 trillion net worth. I don't think the acquisition will really affect BW at all in the short-mid term. Chances for a SC3 are more likely in the next 5-10 years though as the current Xbox division seems to like to have more PC-focused games on game pass (see their recent funding on AoE4).
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On January 22 2022 00:48 EagleEagle wrote:
Is anyone going to do a stream of the quals? Any information on this, yall?
EAGS
Since its online qualifications they cast replays live when they receive them. Stream will be on Afreeca.
It would be nice if someone can post in what time will stream start and why there is still no update on liquipedia page for ASL S13?
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qualifier streams start at 1300KST tomorrow + Sunday
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This is the official stream for Afreeca TV's Main Events, where every notable BW tour that they host is streamed. In the past, they have streamed qualifiers in a variety of formats (live, replays etc).
https://play.afreecatv.com/afstar1
Unfortunately I have no idea why on TL this link doesn't pop up all the time when it has a BW event, since most of them are known beforehand and I've seen that happen for other streams.
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On January 21 2022 20:34 TMNT wrote:
If he wants to play this ASL he would have come back a while ago. No way he just registered and play qualifiers without apologizing to fans first.
I think if he continues streaming, it will be ASL commentary and college content first. Whether or not he will play competitive BW remains to be seen.
On the Korean message boards, the rumblings are that Bisu has signed up and is in group #7 with Stork, who also apparently signed up too
Source (Shuttle's stream): https://www.fmkorea.com/index.php?mid=starcraft&document_srl=4271632172
So if this is true, Sharp is also in Group 7 making it a tough group (obviously depending on how much Bisu and Stork have actually practiced)
Another rumored tough group is Group 1 with Soma and Soulkey both in it
Edit: besides Rain and Jaedong, lesser players who have rumored to have signed up (some after long absences): Sea, Calm, Horang2, Guemchi. Hiya, Nal_rA, Pusan
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If that picture is true, the group drawing is a farce. I thought they always had a system where seeded players are put in different group to avoid them facing each other.
So how the hell we have group 1 with Soma + Soulkey, group 2 with Light + JYJ, group 7 with Sharp + Bisu + Stork, but group 6 contains 3 retirees in Sea Hiya Guemchi and Scan?
You telling me none of the second seeded player in group 1 2 or 7 have a higher ASL coefficient than the rest of group 6?
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the running half-joke among the pros was that Afreeca would put Sea in an easy group since that would be good for viewership if Sea qualified (Sea is by far one of the most popular streamers on Afreeca)
You could make the case that Rain, Jaedong and Shuttle (also popular streamers) were given easy groups too
but you're right, it's a farce that the two strongest Zergs are in the same group, and these two are legitimate championship contenders....
Soulkey should have been put in group 4, 5, or 6. Action in Group 4 is way below Soma in current form and Group 5's strongest potential member is sSak
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Actually sSak is not in Group 5, he's in Group 1
Group 5 might be more of a joke than Group 6 now
Also of note (?) Artosis in Group 1 also
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JyJ not in Group 2, Light has a clear path
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If I were a betting man I would put everything on Nal_rA.
It is good that I am not a betting man.
Best, Jaedong, Snow, Nal_rA fighting!
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oh snap, Soma might not be in Group 1 after all...
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Yeah I'm watching Rush's stream right now. Looks like the information from Shuttle are not all correct. Soma in group 5 instead. Maybe JYJ in group 6 as well? Now it makes more sense.
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On January 22 2022 10:26 TMNT wrote:
Yeah I'm watching Rush's stream right now. Looks like the information from Shuttle are not all correct. Soma in group 5 instead. Maybe JYJ in group 6 as well? Now it makes more sense.
haha Rush says absolutely no chance group 6 gets disturbed, Afreeca will want one of Sea or Guemchi for viewership purposes
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On January 21 2022 23:01 redknights wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2022 14:47 Dante08 wrote:On January 20 2022 05:43 redknights wrote:
ASL is definitely the highest stakes in terms of prestige but these low stakes streamer matches can even be higher prize money than top 8/top 4 ASL (e.g. Soulkey dropping out of ASL11 since stream matches were more profitable and he was in debt). Best hasn't performed well in ASL recently but I feel like there is an overemphasis on ASL results for casual fans. Hope Best and Snow perform well in ASL, but no one should discount their skill even if they don't.
I agree with this. I think for many of the seasoned progamers ASL is not as important as it may seem to the casual viewer. I watch their 4:4 proleagues regularly and it seems they really care about winning these because it means fan support / higher viewership / prize money for winning the sets. And it's not peanuts either, I remember Snow was really sad on stream once and the Koreans in chat told me it's because they could have won 4K USD (!). That's for one proleague, just some games played on stream.
Come to think of it, streaming and playing proleagues and sponsored BO3/BO5 or other showmatches is where the real and regular money is. ASL takes place twice a year and the money is not really that great until you make it to the higher rounds. Plus in the end, ASL is just a series. Anyone can have a better or worse day. It's not really indicative of skill just because someone got defeated early. Best is a good example like some people here said. He got eliminated from the last ASL in the round of 24 I believe and still he regularly beats players like Rush, Hero etc.
This is obviously just my take on this, but I don't think I'm far off here.
I think the 4K USD is an outlier, most of the online proleagues are in the range of 4000 to 10000 star balloons (roughly $400-$1000 USD) per person. If it even reaches $500 a person, the pros call it a big pot. sponsored BO3/BO5 tend to top out at $30 and $50 USD respectively But let's be real here, the big bucks money has now shifted to college content. There used to be multiple proleagues run nightly, but these days it's hard to even get 1 running. Only Light, Queen, Soma, Mini, and Soulkey are left for top players not involved at all w college content. Even Rush and Sharp, who were previously reluctant to be involved in college stuff, are now fully on board. They probably saw how much money others were making and didn't want to miss out The silver lining is that college content is probably the main reason we have players like Rain and Sea coming back to try and qualify for ASL Maybe Microsoft pumps in cash for ASL one day, one can hope! Does anyone know if Microsoft as a company is disgustingly rich or is that just Bill Gates
Microsoft is disgustingly rich, they have like $200-300b in cash.
Anyway Stork is playing this ASL? Thought he retired from tournaments.
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On January 22 2022 10:32 Dante08 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2022 23:01 redknights wrote:On January 21 2022 14:47 Dante08 wrote:On January 20 2022 05:43 redknights wrote:
ASL is definitely the highest stakes in terms of prestige but these low stakes streamer matches can even be higher prize money than top 8/top 4 ASL (e.g. Soulkey dropping out of ASL11 since stream matches were more profitable and he was in debt). Best hasn't performed well in ASL recently but I feel like there is an overemphasis on ASL results for casual fans. Hope Best and Snow perform well in ASL, but no one should discount their skill even if they don't.
I agree with this. I think for many of the seasoned progamers ASL is not as important as it may seem to the casual viewer. I watch their 4:4 proleagues regularly and it seems they really care about winning these because it means fan support / higher viewership / prize money for winning the sets. And it's not peanuts either, I remember Snow was really sad on stream once and the Koreans in chat told me it's because they could have won 4K USD (!). That's for one proleague, just some games played on stream.
Come to think of it, streaming and playing proleagues and sponsored BO3/BO5 or other showmatches is where the real and regular money is. ASL takes place twice a year and the money is not really that great until you make it to the higher rounds. Plus in the end, ASL is just a series. Anyone can have a better or worse day. It's not really indicative of skill just because someone got defeated early. Best is a good example like some people here said. He got eliminated from the last ASL in the round of 24 I believe and still he regularly beats players like Rush, Hero etc.
This is obviously just my take on this, but I don't think I'm far off here.
I think the 4K USD is an outlier, most of the online proleagues are in the range of 4000 to 10000 star balloons (roughly $400-$1000 USD) per person. If it even reaches $500 a person, the pros call it a big pot. sponsored BO3/BO5 tend to top out at $30 and $50 USD respectively But let's be real here, the big bucks money has now shifted to college content. There used to be multiple proleagues run nightly, but these days it's hard to even get 1 running. Only Light, Queen, Soma, Mini, and Soulkey are left for top players not involved at all w college content. Even Rush and Sharp, who were previously reluctant to be involved in college stuff, are now fully on board. They probably saw how much money others were making and didn't want to miss out The silver lining is that college content is probably the main reason we have players like Rain and Sea coming back to try and qualify for ASL Maybe Microsoft pumps in cash for ASL one day, one can hope! Does anyone know if Microsoft as a company is disgustingly rich or is that just Bill Gates Microsoft is disgustingly rich, they have like $200-300b in cash. Anyway Stork is playing this ASL? Thought he retired from tournaments.
He never ruled out returning, he just wanted to take time after ASL to grow his YouTube channel (probably trying to fill the void from Last going to military) and do other content
There's also talk that his wife signed him up for ASL and he might not even show up
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lmfao Rain's bracket has 4 pros on the other side of the bracket and only one on Rain's side
nice job Afreeca
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