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[QUOTE]On January 19 2022 15:52 omahahowitzer wrote:
[QUOTE]On January 19 2022 13:51 Ideas wrote:
[QUOTE]On January 18 2022 15:19 omahahowitzer wrote:
[QUOTE]On January 13 2022 19:34 HOLYBATS wrote:
Snow and Best are playing like old man. Mini is the sole tier 1 toss player.[/QUOTE]
ASL is definitely the highest stakes in terms of prestige but these low stakes streamer matches can even be higher prize money than top 8/top 4 ASL (e.g. Soulkey dropping out of ASL11 since stream matches were more profitable and he was in debt). Best hasn't performed well in ASL recently but I feel like there is an overemphasis on ASL results for casual fans. Hope Best and Snow perform well in ASL, but no one should discount their skill even if they don't. [/QUOTE]
I agree with this. I think for many of the seasoned progamers ASL is not as important as it may seem to the casual viewer. I watch their 4:4 proleagues regularly and it seems they really care about winning these because it means fan support / higher viewership / prize money for winning the sets. And it's not peanuts either, I remember Snow was really sad on stream once and the Koreans in chat told me it's because they could have won 4K USD (!). That's for one proleague, just some games played on stream.
Come to think of it, streaming and playing proleagues and sponsored BO3/BO5 or other showmatches is where the real and regular money is. ASL takes place twice a year and the money is not really that great until you make it to the higher rounds. Plus in the end, ASL is just a series. Anyone can have a better or worse day. It's not really indicative of skill just because someone got defeated early. Best is a good example like some people here said. He got eliminated from the last ASL in the round of 24 I believe and still he regularly beats players like Rush, Hero etc.
This is obviously just my take on this, but I don't think I'm far off here.
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Big leagues create storylines and legacies though.. this is why it was always the most important aspect of the competitive scene of any game but 1v1 games especially.
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On January 20 2022 00:23 TMNT wrote:
There's a clear top 10 in the Korean scene these days, that means you don't really have a clear favorite when any of these guys face each other:
T: Rush Light Royal
P: Best Mini Snow
Z: Queen Soma Hero Soulkey
After that the level drops off a bit with the likes of JYJ, Sharp, Action, Effort, and maybe Shuttle (depending on how serious he is, I feel). Jaedong is doing good, he probably belongs to this group and will qualify easily. So is Rain. But I feel their chances will be better if they don't have to play ZvT and PvZ.
yes the top 10 are the core members of the online "major proleague"
Rain and Jaedong aren't really major proleague level at the current moment since they're rusty, but they have so much class that they can easily hang w the top 10 if they put in the time
Royal is the one shooting up the ranks competing w Rush for 2nd best Terran (Rush's form dipping a bit since ASL)
Even that group right outside the top 10 aren't at the same level, in my opinion there's a gap with Effort / Sharp higher than Action / JYJ,/ sSak / Shuttle
Terran and Zerg have decent depth outside top 10 but Protoss is still too top heavy even if you put Rain back in the mix
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ASL is definitely the highest stakes in terms of prestige but these low stakes streamer matches can even be higher prize money than top 8/top 4 ASL (e.g. Soulkey dropping out of ASL11 since stream matches were more profitable and he was in debt). Best hasn't performed well in ASL recently but I feel like there is an overemphasis on ASL results for casual fans. Hope Best and Snow perform well in ASL, but no one should discount their skill even if they don't.
I agree with this. I think for many of the seasoned progamers ASL is not as important as it may seem to the casual viewer. I watch their 4:4 proleagues regularly and it seems they really care about winning these because it means fan support / higher viewership / prize money for winning the sets. And it's not peanuts either, I remember Snow was really sad on stream once and the Koreans in chat told me it's because they could have won 4K USD (!). That's for one proleague, just some games played on stream.
Come to think of it, streaming and playing proleagues and sponsored BO3/BO5 or other showmatches is where the real and regular money is. ASL takes place twice a year and the money is not really that great until you make it to the higher rounds. Plus in the end, ASL is just a series. Anyone can have a better or worse day. It's not really indicative of skill just because someone got defeated early. Best is a good example like some people here said. He got eliminated from the last ASL in the round of 24 I believe and still he regularly beats players like Rush, Hero etc.
This is obviously just my take on this, but I don't think I'm far off here.
I think the 4K USD is an outlier, most of the online proleagues are in the range of 4000 to 10000 star balloons (roughly $400-$1000 USD) per person. If it even reaches $500 a person, the pros call it a big pot.
sponsored BO3/BO5 tend to top out at $30 and $50 USD respectively
But let's be real here, the big bucks money has now shifted to college content. There used to be multiple proleagues run nightly, but these days it's hard to even get 1 running. Only Light, Queen, Soma, Mini, and Soulkey are left for top players not involved at all w college content. Even Rush and Sharp, who were previously reluctant to be involved in college stuff, are now fully on board. They probably saw how much money others were making and didn't want to miss out
The silver lining is that college content is probably the main reason we have players like Rain and Sea coming back to try and qualify for ASL
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Is there any coverage of these proleagues?
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On January 20 2022 06:04 Patasti wrote:
Is there any coverage of these proleagues?
Just look at the live streams around 8-10pm korean time, no one is really casting it, you have 4 people on a team, 1 plays while the other 3 do discord commentary while observing
Sharp usually participated in the most proleagues, so his stream used to be a safe bet for proleague content, but now that he's doing college content I would say the safest bets are Soma or Mini's streams
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What does "college content" mean?
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Ah right... the Afreeca girls playing SC and being coached by the pros. Some of them are super hot though not gonna lie, like Best's girlfriend.
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On January 21 2022 02:59 redknights wrote:https://bj.afreecatv.com/rlaxordyd/post/82794186Bisu just announced he's streaming on Sunday 9pm Korean time to apologize for Coingate I wonder if there's any chance he's signed up for ASL13 qualifiers
OMG! Big news right here redknights 
I'll be watching for sure even if i don't understand a word haha  
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On January 21 2022 02:59 redknights wrote:https://bj.afreecatv.com/rlaxordyd/post/82794186Bisu just announced he's streaming on Sunday 9pm Korean time to apologize for Coingate I wonder if there's any chance he's signed up for ASL13 qualifiers
good to hear
hope he'll be forgiven same as Flash and we can move on from this.
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Wow! I'd be so glad if he participated in ASL!
Great news anyways!  (hoping the stream will continue of course in the coming days, weeks, years...)
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On January 20 2022 05:43 redknights wrote:
ASL is definitely the highest stakes in terms of prestige but these low stakes streamer matches can even be higher prize money than top 8/top 4 ASL (e.g. Soulkey dropping out of ASL11 since stream matches were more profitable and he was in debt). Best hasn't performed well in ASL recently but I feel like there is an overemphasis on ASL results for casual fans. Hope Best and Snow perform well in ASL, but no one should discount their skill even if they don't.
I agree with this. I think for many of the seasoned progamers ASL is not as important as it may seem to the casual viewer. I watch their 4:4 proleagues regularly and it seems they really care about winning these because it means fan support / higher viewership / prize money for winning the sets. And it's not peanuts either, I remember Snow was really sad on stream once and the Koreans in chat told me it's because they could have won 4K USD (!). That's for one proleague, just some games played on stream.
Come to think of it, streaming and playing proleagues and sponsored BO3/BO5 or other showmatches is where the real and regular money is. ASL takes place twice a year and the money is not really that great until you make it to the higher rounds. Plus in the end, ASL is just a series. Anyone can have a better or worse day. It's not really indicative of skill just because someone got defeated early. Best is a good example like some people here said. He got eliminated from the last ASL in the round of 24 I believe and still he regularly beats players like Rush, Hero etc.
This is obviously just my take on this, but I don't think I'm far off here.
I think the 4K USD is an outlier, most of the online proleagues are in the range of 4000 to 10000 star balloons (roughly $400-$1000 USD) per person. If it even reaches $500 a person, the pros call it a big pot. sponsored BO3/BO5 tend to top out at $30 and $50 USD respectively But let's be real here, the big bucks money has now shifted to college content. There used to be multiple proleagues run nightly, but these days it's hard to even get 1 running. Only Light, Queen, Soma, Mini, and Soulkey are left for top players not involved at all w college content. Even Rush and Sharp, who were previously reluctant to be involved in college stuff, are now fully on board. They probably saw how much money others were making and didn't want to miss out The silver lining is that college content is probably the main reason we have players like Rain and Sea coming back to try and qualify for ASL
Maybe Microsoft pumps in cash for ASL one day, one can hope!
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On January 21 2022 02:59 redknights wrote:https://bj.afreecatv.com/rlaxordyd/post/82794186Bisu just announced he's streaming on Sunday 9pm Korean time to apologize for Coingate I wonder if there's any chance he's signed up for ASL13 qualifiers
i want him to come back and DT rush his way thru quals again :3
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Really hope to see Bisu and his dancing goons back in ASL
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EPT
