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[ASL11] Ro4 Preview: From The Heart!

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[ASL11] Ro4 Preview: From The Heart!

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May 23rd, 2021 05:45 GMT
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Its the Semifinals of the ASL, Kicking off with a Ro16 rematch of ZerO vs Mini, on the other side of the Bracket Larva once again finds himself in a ZvZ Semifinal match, this time against hero looking to make it to his second ASL finals.

Group A Preview

This is a rematch from the Ro16 group A's winners game series, in that instance (P)Mini won 2-1, can (Z)ZerO redeem himself or will we see a repeat performance?

Mini does have that big advantage in the matchup already beating ZerO before this season, overall that series Mini just played better than ZerO at every turn, probe scout killing drones, initial harassment, huge DT drops all were back by solid army control in the front, Mini was very much in the zone for the entire group, hell he’s been in the zone the entire season looking at how he crushed and threw best into the wind like a piece of paper.

ZerO doesn’t look all that hot in ZvP based on his Ro16 performances against Mini and even to an extent against Shuttle despite winning that series, casting a lot of doubt into his performance in the matchup on top of the fact that ZerO just hasn’t been able to crack Mini’s playstyle yet, both offline and online since not a lot has changed in their dynamic since their Ro16 encounter, does knowing that he only have to face Mini anyway and knowing what maps they’re playing on in advance help ZerO in the long run? And at what point does this series become a scenario of relying on the hydra busts for wins, also known as the almighty “sh”.

Map Picks:
(Wiki)Hidden Track - (P)Mini
(Wiki)Fighting Spirit - (Z)ZerO
(Wiki)Polypoid - (P)Mini
(Wiki)Eclipse - (Z)ZerO
(Wiki)Ascension - (P)Mini
(Wiki)Polaris Rhapsody - (Z)ZerO
(Wiki)Ultimate Stream - Afreeca Default

PvZ in general is a matchup that is skewed towards Zerg much like TvZ is to Terran at the highest level, Mini didn’t have a lot to work with in this map pool but I’m sure he has something cooking on his picks.

Hidden Track is the first pick for Mini, sitting at a huge 41.7%-58.3% gap in winrates in favor of zerg on the matchup, its one of those maps that is very hard for the protoss to take and hold a third especially considering the situations where they can easily be cut off from the natural during a hydra bust and have a very easy time taking out that third base along with it, I have a feeling Mini has something planned for the map but its entirely possible Mini picked it first just to get it out of the way as soon as possible since the whole map pool is in play for this series.

Fighting spirit while protoss favored in 2021 isn’t really the most concerning map for ZerO to play on, its actually surprising it was picked this early, maybe a win here for ZerO might end up being the catalyst to a patented Mini downward spiral tilt?

Polypoid, the most played map of 2021 holding a whopping 27.3% of all sponmatches on it, its the true standard map of the era, even over FS and CB, one more in line with our current day meta, the balance so far has been skewed towards zerg as expected in 53%:47%, its a good pick for Mini to have earlier rather than later .

Eclipse is next, which is another solid choice for ZerO, second most played map in sponmatches with 19.6% games in 2021, also boasting a near balanced 51:49 winrate in favor of zerg, along with a 3-1 winrate in ZvP this season of ASL., Eclipse has always had some great PvZs since its introduction, one of the best 2p maps ever in my opinion, zerg has options for 3rd, they can either take the risky double gas, or the close by highground 3rd with just he one small ramp protecting it making it a hard to break base with good defenses.

I think its funny that Mini picked Ascension here, the map that ZerO beat him on with a quick ling bust in the Ro16 after tricking him that he was going to power econ, which isn’t a surprising move considering this is a very good protoss map with some protoss map control with the highground pods its very easy to deny a lot of expansion options for the zerg. I doubt with the players involved this game will go anything like the snow vs hero game on the map.

Polaris Rhapsody has not been kind to zerg, I’m sure ZerO wanted to make sure it came as late as possible for him, a near 44-56 winrate in favor of protoss makes this one of the hardest maps for zerg in the current meta, expect this to be a more obvious early game hydra bust map, especially if ZerO manages to hold the contain past mini’s double bridge.

I do believe that if we came to the rubber match on Ultimate stream, ZerO has a great chance on taking it, especially if the games go longer, holding a whopping 66.7% winrate in the matchup and many players avoid playing it in regular sponmatches, its one of those kinds of imbalance maps that nobody would want to play on unless forced and you can see why, this map lets zerg absolutely get 4 bases easily while being easily able to deny a 3rd base for protoss without much issue, downside for zerg is that its a bad map for hydra busts due to the natural being ramped.

I think on a player level Mini does seem to be a problem to ZerO, but not a problem he can’t figure out but frankly nobody wants to see another ZvZ finals so just for that, I’m picking Mini, I’ve pointed out numbers and facts and still been wrong a lot this season but this time I’m going pure heart, whatever the score maybe...

(P)Mini to Advance the Grand Finals!

Group B Preview


In a situation very similar to the last season, we have another (Z)Larva Ro4 ZvZ match, this time going up against historically questionable zvz player (Z)hero.

Larva in back to back Ro4s and the last one was against ZerO, which turned out poorly as ZerO managed to take the series 4-1 with relatively little fuss. This would be his first ZvZ this season and hero is probably not the best opponent he can hope for in the matchup.

hero also has only had to play one ZvZ this season, against EffOrt in the Ro24, managing to get the win against the rusty EffOrt and advancing through, while Larva also had EffOrt in his Ro16 group but got by without needing to ever face him.

Overall while Larva does have the better record in ZvZ to hero with Larva being at 55% over the last 2 months, to hero’s 43% winrate, head to head its actually hero with a 6-3(66.7%) against Larva so it seems like hero has Larva all figured out even if he struggles in the matchup.

There really isn’t much I can say about this series, beyond that, both would make great finalists, Larva would do great against both ZerO and Mini, being that even if the last time Larva lost to ZerO their styles do mesh well and could always go either way in an offline setting, while Mini would be great just for how good larva is in PvZ. On the other hand hero would just get eaten alive by ZerO, but we’d get an absolute banger of a series from hero vs Mini that would really push both players.

I’m going safe on this and picking Larva.

(Z)Larva to advance to the Grand Finals!



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BLinD-RawR
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50596 Posts
May 23 2021 05:45 GMT
#2
I really just don't want a ZvZ finals, maybe I should have picked zero just to curse him.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Just_a_Moth
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Canada1964 Posts
May 23 2021 06:40 GMT
#3
I believe in Mini.
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4228 Posts
May 23 2021 08:50 GMT
#4
I really wish these predictions would come true..
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Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4478 Posts
May 23 2021 10:06 GMT
#5
I believe Queen has been fooling people on stream by not playing his best lately. I'm convinced he's been perfecting his strats and he's likely going to roflstomp Mini.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2105 Posts
May 23 2021 10:16 GMT
#6
anything but another zero win
WriterDefeating a sandwich only makes it tastier. @imjustziggy
Magic Powers
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Austria4478 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-05-23 10:58:08
May 23 2021 10:42 GMT
#7
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If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50596 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-05-23 11:16:23
May 23 2021 10:45 GMT
#8
no spoilers in this thread

use this https://tl.net/forum/bw-tournaments/573271-asl11-semifinals-a
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4478 Posts
May 23 2021 10:57 GMT
#9
My bad, will delete my comment just in case.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
Zeronova
Profile Joined September 2020
54 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-05-23 20:10:33
May 23 2021 20:09 GMT
#10
Great write up! I agree 100% on Larva over Hero.

+ Show Spoiler +
Either way though, they are both deadly in PvZ. Honestly any of the top Zerg are, especially with hydra aggression.

Your comments about the first map for Mini v Zero were prophetic. Mini lived rent free in Zero’s head, especially in game 4. Super impressive. However I think Queen could have done a lot better just going super standard 5 hatch hydra. He tried way too much non-standard stuff. The proxy gate game was just unlucky
rararara
Profile Joined March 2021
115 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-05-24 13:10:10
May 24 2021 12:49 GMT
#11
Great post OP.

+ Show Spoiler +
really good call on Mini vs Queen.
I think this is what it essentially came down to.

I watch Queen regularly on his stream and he was struggling the past months and threw a lot of games. Was worried about his mindset and form, but it could have been just being bored not to be playing at the highest level.
In the first match he came out like we saw him perform in previous ASLs, but after that Mini just outplayed him, sometimes crushingly (lol@2 Archon-morph in Queens base on FS).

Haven't watched Mini lately at all, but he always seemed like a player who has enormous talent and wit.
Is a guy who can sweep a Pro-League-match with ease and style when he's on.
Probably never seen a Protoss as aggressive as him.
I think his edgy and uncommon style fit really well for this series and Queen's slumpiness.
His use of Zealot-Timing with heavy DT-followup is a new invention, congratulations, absolutely top tier.


Hope Mini takes ASL, it would be well deserved - even just for giving us a Non-ZvZ-Finals!
Larva has been working and playing hard over a long period of time, also well deserving.
Hero's run is also very impressive, didn't have him on the radar, and it's cool that such an old-school and humble guy (the bear!) can get back to top top level.
HybridSpawn
Profile Joined March 2020
12 Posts
May 25 2021 05:48 GMT
#12
Anyone else leaning Hero in this upcoming match?
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