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Interview with Mapmaker of Neo-Sylphid & Eclipse

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ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-05-02 11:36:29
May 02 2021 11:32 GMT
#13
On May 02 2021 16:48 aokces wrote:
That Galaxy map is beautiful! Where can I find it to download?

could only find crux and leviathan, appreciate if someone knows how to get the others already tried https://cafe.naver.com/edac/72043

Freakling
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany1529 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-05-02 13:51:30
May 02 2021 13:05 GMT
#14
On May 02 2021 20:06 oxKnu wrote:
Great interview. You can see how much thought he puts into his maps by how he talks about the process. And the results show.

Shoutout to Achernar. What an absolute legend. Leviathan is genius. (a modern take on it would very much be appreciated)
It is a modern map, it uses remastered ramps.

On May 02 2021 20:32 ggsimida wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2021 16:48 aokces wrote:
That Galaxy map is beautiful! Where can I find it to download?

could only find crux and leviathan, appreciate if someone knows how to get the others already tried https://cafe.naver.com/edac/72043
If you read the interview you'd know that most of them were hosted on intothemap.com, which used to be the biggest Korean map database/community site, but went defunct shortly after the release of SC2 and the alleged end of the BW scene. All the maps (well, not technically every single one of them, if you find this fine distinction important, but a database containing probably thousands nontheless) were lost to the public.
If LatiAs or any other Korean map makers (or players/fans, but maps are mostly downloaded by other map makers) still have some map files it would certainly be a good idea to upload them to BWMN, for example, or at least share them via file hosting.

On May 02 2021 20:15 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
He is 2100 mmr in Korea server and also talk with progamers and watch games.Take notes foreign map makers. LATHIAS your map sylphid is the by far the best created in recent times.Is a shame it was removed from ladder.Im not a big fan of eclipse tho. my zvp win rate in that map is like 15%
Learn Korean. Noted.
radley
Profile Joined August 2008
Poland582 Posts
May 02 2021 13:12 GMT
#15
On May 02 2021 20:15 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
He is 2100 mmr in Korea server and also talk with progamers and watch games.Take notes foreign map makers. LATHIAS your map sylphid is the by far the best created in recent times.Is a shame it was removed from ladder.Im not a big fan of eclipse tho. my zvp win rate in that map is like 15%

I suppose it's still bigger than on rest of maps, eon. Right?
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ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
May 02 2021 13:15 GMT
#16
On May 02 2021 22:05 Freakling wrote:
]If you read the interview you'd know that most of them were hosted on intothemap.com, which used to be the biggest Korean map database/community site, but went defunct shortly after the release of SC2 and the alleged end of the BW scene. All the maps were lost to the public.
If LatiAs or any other Korean map makers (or players/fans, but maps are mostly downloaded by other map makers) still have some map files it would certainly be a good idea to upload them to BWMN, for example, or at least share them via file hosting.


you could also read my post which explicitly stated that i found crux and leviathan so "All the maps were lost to the public." is factually false.
Freakling
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany1529 Posts
May 02 2021 13:26 GMT
#17
On May 02 2021 22:15 ggsimida wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2021 22:05 Freakling wrote:
]If you read the interview you'd know that most of them were hosted on intothemap.com, which used to be the biggest Korean map database/community site, but went defunct shortly after the release of SC2 and the alleged end of the BW scene. All the maps were lost to the public.
If LatiAs or any other Korean map makers (or players/fans, but maps are mostly downloaded by other map makers) still have some map files it would certainly be a good idea to upload them to BWMN, for example, or at least share them via file hosting.


you could also read my post which explicitly stated that i found crux and leviathan so "All the maps were lost to the public." is factually false.
And as I stated at least the latter cannot possibly be older than ~2 years, it's reasonable to assume that the other one is relatively recent as well (Naver post dated to 2018), so obviously they were never part of the Intothemap database to begin with.
ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-05-02 13:32:28
May 02 2021 13:32 GMT
#18
On May 02 2021 22:26 Freakling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2021 22:15 ggsimida wrote:
On May 02 2021 22:05 Freakling wrote:
]If you read the interview you'd know that most of them were hosted on intothemap.com, which used to be the biggest Korean map database/community site, but went defunct shortly after the release of SC2 and the alleged end of the BW scene. All the maps were lost to the public.
If LatiAs or any other Korean map makers (or players/fans, but maps are mostly downloaded by other map makers) still have some map files it would certainly be a good idea to upload them to BWMN, for example, or at least share them via file hosting.


you could also read my post which explicitly stated that i found crux and leviathan so "All the maps were lost to the public." is factually false.
And as I stated at least the latter cannot possibly be older than ~2 years, it's reasonable to assume that the other one is relatively recent as well (Naver post dated to 2018), so obviously they were never part of the Intothemap database to begin with.


the guy who posted crux says he found it in his old BW download folder
oxKnu
Profile Joined December 2017
1179 Posts
May 02 2021 13:40 GMT
#19
Likely that some of those maps (in some form or the other) were distributed into older map packs that were spread around via file hosting before the discord era.
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4175 Posts
May 02 2021 13:48 GMT
#20
On May 02 2021 22:05 Freakling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2021 20:06 oxKnu wrote:
Great interview. You can see how much thought he puts into his maps by how he talks about the process. And the results show.

Shoutout to Achernar. What an absolute legend. Leviathan is genius. (a modern take on it would very much be appreciated)
It is a modern map, it uses remastered ramps.

Show nested quote +
On May 02 2021 20:32 ggsimida wrote:
On May 02 2021 16:48 aokces wrote:
That Galaxy map is beautiful! Where can I find it to download?

could only find crux and leviathan, appreciate if someone knows how to get the others already tried https://cafe.naver.com/edac/72043
If you read the interview you'd know that most of them were hosted on intothemap.com, which used to be the biggest Korean map database/community site, but went defunct shortly after the release of SC2 and the alleged end of the BW scene. All the maps were lost to the public.
If LatiAs or any other Korean map makers (or players/fans, but maps are mostly downloaded by other map makers) still have some map files it would certainly be a good idea to upload them to BWMN, for example, or at least share them via file hosting.

Show nested quote +
On May 02 2021 20:15 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
He is 2100 mmr in Korea server and also talk with progamers and watch games.Take notes foreign map makers. LATHIAS your map sylphid is the by far the best created in recent times.Is a shame it was removed from ladder.Im not a big fan of eclipse tho. my zvp win rate in that map is like 15%
Learn Korean. Noted.

Need some kind of medium between foreign and korean scenes.. idk whocould that be though.
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
May 02 2021 17:50 GMT
#21
Great interview. Thanks for sharing.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
AleXoundOS
Profile Joined January 2011
Georgia457 Posts
May 02 2021 19:20 GMT
#22
On May 02 2021 22:05 Freakling wrote:
If LatiAs or any other Korean map makers (or players/fans, but maps are mostly downloaded by other map makers) still have some map files it would certainly be a good idea to upload them to BWMN, for example, or at least share them via file hosting.

Maybe upload here: https://repmastered.app/maps.
https://bwapi.github.io - An API for interacting with Starcraft: Broodwar (1.16.1)
PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5214 Posts
May 02 2021 22:23 GMT
#23
Thank you for doing this interview!
The heart's eternal vow
JungleTerrain
Profile Joined January 2012
Chile799 Posts
May 02 2021 23:48 GMT
#24
Ha, I remember 10+ years ago going on Intothemap and taking a look at maps there. I feel like I had seen some of these maps by Achernar or at least maps that look very similar. I was so sad when the site went down But it's funny to know that Korean mapmakers (or at the very least Latias) were looking at Bwmn back then.

I would say one of my biggest failures as a mapmaker is not taking the time to look at EVERY match that happens on my maps and learning from it. There's been many times where I just make a map and I just don't care (usually because of reasons outside of BW) or when I do care I don't know when/where my maps are being used. I'll definitely try to do this more going forward...

Great interview.

My one question is: how come Achernar's maps never made it into any sort of league or anything if he was considered a "legend"? Or is that just from hindsight?
www.broodwarmaps.net
Freakling
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany1529 Posts
May 03 2021 00:54 GMT
#25
On May 03 2021 08:48 JungleTerrain wrote:
Ha, I remember 10+ years ago going on Intothemap and taking a look at maps there. I feel like I had seen some of these maps by Achernar or at least maps that look very similar. I was so sad when the site went down But it's funny to know that Korean mapmakers (or at the very least Latias) were looking at Bwmn back then.

I would say one of my biggest failures as a mapmaker is not taking the time to look at EVERY match that happens on my maps and learning from it. There's been many times where I just make a map and I just don't care (usually because of reasons outside of BW) or when I do care I don't know when/where my maps are being used. I'll definitely try to do this more going forward...

Great interview.

My one question is: how come Achernar's maps never made it into any sort of league or anything if he was considered a "legend"? Or is that just from hindsight?

Because Kespa map making was mostly a closed system, I guess.
Furthermore a problem with most Korean maps and map makers, back then and even today, and I would also argue even more than in the foreign scene, actually, is that they are maps made for map makers, not for players to a high degree. Look at the example maps posted in the OP and you can clearly observe for each of them how they are more representations of abstract concepts rather than meant to be serious attempts to make a map that is actually balanced and plays well.
True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3418 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-05-03 08:07:32
May 03 2021 08:07 GMT
#26
That's very interesting, thank you for the insight into the korean map making scene!
fLyiNgDroNe
Profile Joined September 2005
Belgium3999 Posts
May 03 2021 10:01 GMT
#27
Amazing interview
The Galaxy map by Achernar is an absolute masterpiece too. Wowza.
Drone is a way of living
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
May 03 2021 10:31 GMT
#28
Great interview. Thanks for making it happen!
Kinky
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States4126 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-05-03 14:17:22
May 03 2021 14:15 GMT
#29
The gifs of the map creation process are fascinating. Here are the webm's for anyone who wants to pause them like me
Neo-sylphid
Eclipse
RandomPlayer
Profile Joined April 2012
Russian Federation390 Posts
May 03 2021 15:10 GMT
#30
Only came to read because I thought it was "maphacker"..
Szinkler
Profile Joined July 2018
Hungary394 Posts
May 03 2021 19:46 GMT
#31
Really nice interview, thank you!
mtcn77
Profile Joined September 2013
Turkey319 Posts
October 23 2021 08:14 GMT
#32
Thanks for the interview. I wish him best of luck. Neo Sylphid, ftw!
Turrican
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