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Edit: why this guy (Shinee) can't come Ro24 ASL season 1-10?
why this guy (Shinee) can't come Ro24 ASL season 1
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bovienchien
Vietnam1152 Posts
https://play.afreecatv.com/onlysibar/ Edit: why this guy (Shinee) can't come Ro24 ASL season 1-10? | ||
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Avi-Love
Denmark423 Posts
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abuse
Latvia1928 Posts
On March 08 2021 21:46 Avi-Love wrote: Being the "best player on the ladder" doesn't mean anything, he's not better than Flash, he's not even close. He's also one of the most (if not THE most) disliked players in Korea, and for good reason. what's the reason? | ||
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MeSaber
Sweden1235 Posts
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masoka82
Spain594 Posts
He played a Chinese tournament with Savior, when others pros decided didn't play. | ||
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bovienchien
Vietnam1152 Posts
On March 08 2021 21:46 Avi-Love wrote: Being the "best player on the ladder" doesn't mean anything, he's not better than Flash, he's not even close. He's also one of the most (if not THE most) disliked players in Korea, and for good reason. Why does Arto want to take S rank while it doesn't mean anything? | ||
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9-BiT
United States1089 Posts
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Avi-Love
Denmark423 Posts
On March 08 2021 23:28 bovienchien wrote: Why does Arto want to take S rank while it doesn't mean anything? Because it serves as a goal / milestone for hobby players, seems like a fairly simple concept to understand, which part is confusing you? | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6512 Posts
On March 08 2021 22:26 masoka82 wrote: He played a Chinese tournament with Savior, when others pros decided didn't play. Movie also played it.Koreans dislike him too for that reason? | ||
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Oya187
50 Posts
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Avi-Love
Denmark423 Posts
On March 08 2021 23:53 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: Movie also played it.Koreans dislike him too for that reason?  2018 Hangzhou StarCraft Carnival  | ||
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radley
Poland582 Posts
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bovienchien
Vietnam1152 Posts
On March 08 2021 23:40 9-BiT wrote: From what I heard he's banned from ASL events because he went to an ASL qualifier, beat a couple of pros, and then dropped out before qualifying. Yes. I have C rank and I want to take B rank but I don't know why I want to take it. | ||
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Return
Ivory Coast856 Posts
On March 09 2021 01:00 bovienchien wrote: Yes. I have C rank and I want to take B rank but I don't know why I want to take it. probably cause its some kind of metric to show that you're improving and gets you to face better players. Wanting to move up a ladder isnt that weird of a concept | ||
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Avi-Love
Denmark423 Posts
On March 09 2021 01:00 bovienchien wrote: Yes. I have C rank and I want to take B rank but I don't know why I want to take it. Based on the extremely shitty thread, your inability to correctly gauge the perceived skill level of sc players and the importance of the sc:r ladder rankings I am not surprised that your ranking is low. User was warned for this post | ||
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bovienchien
Vietnam1152 Posts
 . At least, I am better than D rank players! | ||
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Akio
Finland1838 Posts
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staatbauhaus
99 Posts
And no, he's not hated by pros I mean ffs Light is his teacher. Every pro would play him if he brings a spon but pros dont bring spons to amateurs because it's seen as noob bashing. And he mentions all the time there is a gap between top amateurs and pros. He always mentions he's super scared to play Best. He would never say he's better than Flash LOL | ||
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hatcherycakesc
6 Posts
On March 09 2021 01:20 bovienchien wrote: It's my fault . At least, I am better than D rank players!But that's literally what Avi just said you aren't. Ladder doesn't matter so you can be better than some b players and some d players can be better than you. Duh. | ||
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Kare
Norway786 Posts
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LUCKY_NOOB
Bulgaria1410 Posts
What about Scan and Beast? They are not banned? | ||
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SchAmToo
United States1141 Posts
On March 09 2021 05:34 LUCKY_NOOB wrote: You can't expect people to pass on money if it's their job and he won it too Shinee. If he didn't Savoir would have made even more money! What about Scan and Beast? They are not banned? I believe it's more complicated and nuanced than just he attended the tournament. I remember being told a bunch about letting Shinee into my tournaments. I ultimately decided to let him in(?) and was called a Savior apologist. I think it's well within ASL's rights to deny him. IIRC he was pretty bad mannered in my tours until i told him i'd ban him. Might be why ASL doesn't want him, might be a lot more. | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium3996 Posts
On March 09 2021 03:23 staatbauhaus wrote: holy shit you guys spread so much gossip. He's banned because he qualified for one of the ASL's but quit last minute because he didn't want to travel to Seoul. And no, he's not hated by pros I mean ffs Light is his teacher. Every pro would play him if he brings a spon but pros dont bring spons to amateurs because it's seen as noob bashing. And he mentions all the time there is a gap between top amateurs and pros. He always mentions he's super scared to play Best. He would never say he's better than Flash LOL Thanks for the explanation. Can this be edited into OP so that pointless guessing stops? | ||
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jinjin5000
United States1400 Posts
He also did some controversial stuff like quitting tournaments midway due to other tournaments offering more prize pool so that may have contributed to whole savior ban, but he was banned because of quitting despite winning on ASL He gets plenty of spons vs other pros including FlaSh. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6512 Posts
2013 StarCraft Asian OpenSure. They even posted pictures of them taking dinner in the same table, | ||
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ggsimida
1146 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24523 Posts
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On March 09 2021 11:32 WombaT wrote: I thought Shine was disliked for being Bisu’s kryptonite? it's a different guy XD (not sure if you're joking) On March 09 2021 07:03 jinjin5000 wrote: he beat a pro (think sSak), then told the qualifying organizer that he lost instead and then left, when he won. That's why he's banned, not because of SaviOr stuff. Because it was seen that he was disrupting the ASL tournament. He also did some controversial stuff like quitting tournaments midway due to other tournaments offering more prize pool so that may have contributed to whole savior ban, but he was banned because of quitting despite winning on ASL He gets plenty of spons vs other pros including FlaSh. oh damn, did he say or does anyone know why Shinee lied to the organisers about winning? On March 09 2021 00:52 radley wrote: I've beat him using protoss in hay tournament. He was so pissed off that he quit, even though it was bo3 and then his colleague convinced him after 10 minutes to come back and play. hahaha his behaviour fits all the other descriptions of him | ||
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Jealous
10108 Posts
On March 09 2021 11:32 WombaT wrote: I thought Shine was disliked for being Bisu’s kryptonite? Shinee vs. Shine also they look nothing alike  | ||
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Cheesefome
311 Posts
On March 09 2021 03:23 staatbauhaus wrote: holy shit you guys spread so much gossip. He's banned because he qualified for one of the ASL's but quit last minute because he didn't want to travel to Seoul. And no, he's not hated by pros I mean ffs Light is his teacher. Every pro would play him if he brings a spon but pros dont bring spons to amateurs because it's seen as noob bashing. And he mentions all the time there is a gap between top amateurs and pros. He always mentions he's super scared to play Best. He would never say he's better than Flash LOL HAHAHA! No shit right? I wonder if he's looking at this from afar and wondering what the hell are these foreigners talking about while at the same time finding it comical that people are just making up all sorts of assumptions. One dude says cause he cut off the arm of al pacino, another saying cause he kidnapped pablo escobars wife, another fella says its cause he moves drugs for the north korean mafia. Imagination and stories are running wild in this thread bahahahaha! Couldn't help but to laugh my ass off at all the gossip and mislead hoomains. | ||
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outscar
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Avi-Love
Denmark423 Posts
I don't know how long it last(ed?) for, or if anyone ever apologized or were allowed back in though, so if anyone can shed some light on that it would be fantastic. But it does go to show that it was a big deal in the Korean scene, KCM is a prominent tournament organizer / personality and his stance was in no way uncertain. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4168 Posts
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XenOsky
Chile2230 Posts
Super good playing bw tho. | ||
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staatbauhaus
99 Posts
On March 09 2021 19:00 Avi-Love wrote: Also just to contribute to the actual facts of this thread, KCM chose to ban all Koreans that participated in the 2018 event that I linked (not related to whatever 2013 event Eon linked as far as I know). See more at https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/525290-information-from-korea?page=101#2019 I don't know how long it last(ed?) for, or if anyone ever apologized or were allowed back in though, so if anyone can shed some light on that it would be fantastic. But it does go to show that it was a big deal in the Korean scene, KCM is a prominent tournament organizer / personality and his stance was in no way uncertain. Can't find his post I think he deleted it. But he removed the ban saying it wasn't fair to punish players that didn't do anything wrong. His initial decision was running off hot emotions. Everyone that was initially banned went to go on to play in his league and coach as well. | ||
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ruhtraeel
Canada117 Posts
On March 08 2021 23:53 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: Movie also played it.Koreans dislike him too for that reason? Random question, can you commentate for some ASL season 11 matches like you did for ASTL now that Tastosis aren't doing it? | ||
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rararara
115 Posts
I saw a couple of FPVods on Home of Starcraft. Is there more? The guy streams not often. | ||
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RushHour_
6 Posts
Aside, to answer this, I'm gonna quote Pusan[S.G], who used to be one of very good Protoss players. When Larva was doing good and 'only' good on online matches, some viewers asked if Larva is a great player. Pusan answered that, in short, online and offline matches are quite different. Pusan could never get rid of the tension and weight of the offline ones until he got retired, and emphasized that it is a reason for FlaSh being great; FlaSh is perfect on online matches, and he is capable of fully showing them and staying calm during the offline matches. So, I think Shinee is a good player. But another thing is that the ex-pros these days don't really focus much on ladder games. I mean they still get high rank, but it's really a piece of cake for them to do so, and they generally practice with each other, within pros. Also, Shinee doesn't really spend much energy on ASL, since he has his own job going on. He once won sSak and was able to advance to Ro. 24, but he gave up bc of his job. | ||
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rararara
115 Posts
On March 14 2021 08:20 RushHour_ wrote: Woo guys... hope you guys don't hurt each other too much. Aside, to answer on this, I'm gonna quote on Pusan[S.G], who used to be one of very good Protoss players. When Larva was doing good and 'only' good on online matches, some viewers asked if Larva is a great player. Pusan answered that, in short, online and offline matches are quite different. Pusan could never get rid of the tension and weight of the offline ones until he got retired, and emphasized that it is a reason for FlaSh being great; FlaSh is perfect on online matches, and he is capable of fully showing them and staying calm during the offline matches. So, I think Shinee is a good player. But another thing is that the ex-pros these days don't really focus much on ladder games. I mean they still get high rank, but it's really a piece of cake for them to do so, and they generally practice with each other, within pros. Also, Shinee doesn't really spend much energy on ASL, since he has his own job going on. He once won sSak and was able to advance to Ro. 24, but he gave up bc of his job. do you know what job he is working or what other pros are working? How many are actually "real professionals" not doing other stuff than playing BW? | ||
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RushHour_
6 Posts
On March 14 2021 08:53 rararara wrote: do you know what job he is working or what other pros are working? How many are actually "real professionals" not doing other stuff than playing BW? Don't know about his job, tbh I don't really watch much of Shinee... Most ex gamers are focusing on playing games tho. FlaSh said he tried to do some business, and Larva opened up a restaurant for a side job, but that'd be pretty much it. And even for them, SC would be their main jobs. | ||
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cRoSsy
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cRoSsy
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