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why this guy (Shinee) can't come Ro24 ASL season 1

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bovienchien
Profile Joined March 2014
Vietnam1152 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-03-08 12:15:41
March 08 2021 12:14 GMT
#1
He is the best player in the ladder. So he can win some bunch of games at S rank everyday. Sometimes, I think He is better than Flash. He is so strong and excellent in his games. He can beat Terran, Protoss, Zerg and Random players all day.

https://play.afreecatv.com/onlysibar/

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Edit: why this guy (Shinee) can't come Ro24 ASL season 1-10?
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Avi-Love
Profile Joined November 2003
Denmark423 Posts
March 08 2021 12:46 GMT
#2
Being the "best player on the ladder" doesn't mean anything, he's not better than Flash, he's not even close. He's also one of the most (if not THE most) disliked players in Korea, and for good reason.
abuse
Profile Joined April 2011
Latvia1928 Posts
March 08 2021 13:01 GMT
#3
On March 08 2021 21:46 Avi-Love wrote:
Being the "best player on the ladder" doesn't mean anything, he's not better than Flash, he's not even close. He's also one of the most (if not THE most) disliked players in Korea, and for good reason.


what's the reason?
I don't believe you.
MeSaber
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden1235 Posts
March 08 2021 13:23 GMT
#4
Im wondering too.
-.-
masoka82
Profile Joined June 2020
Spain594 Posts
March 08 2021 13:26 GMT
#5
On March 08 2021 22:01 abuse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2021 21:46 Avi-Love wrote:
Being the "best player on the ladder" doesn't mean anything, he's not better than Flash, he's not even close. He's also one of the most (if not THE most) disliked players in Korea, and for good reason.


what's the reason?

He played a Chinese tournament with Savior, when others pros decided didn't play.
bovienchien
Profile Joined March 2014
Vietnam1152 Posts
March 08 2021 14:28 GMT
#6
On March 08 2021 21:46 Avi-Love wrote:
Being the "best player on the ladder" doesn't mean anything, he's not better than Flash, he's not even close. He's also one of the most (if not THE most) disliked players in Korea, and for good reason.

Why does Arto want to take S rank while it doesn't mean anything?
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9-BiT
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1089 Posts
March 08 2021 14:40 GMT
#7
From what I heard he's banned from ASL events because he went to an ASL qualifier, beat a couple of pros, and then dropped out before qualifying.
kwark_uk: @father_sc learn to play maybe?
Avi-Love
Profile Joined November 2003
Denmark423 Posts
March 08 2021 14:44 GMT
#8
On March 08 2021 23:28 bovienchien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2021 21:46 Avi-Love wrote:
Being the "best player on the ladder" doesn't mean anything, he's not better than Flash, he's not even close. He's also one of the most (if not THE most) disliked players in Korea, and for good reason.

Why does Arto want to take S rank while it doesn't mean anything?


Because it serves as a goal / milestone for hobby players, seems like a fairly simple concept to understand, which part is confusing you?
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6512 Posts
March 08 2021 14:53 GMT
#9
On March 08 2021 22:26 masoka82 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2021 22:01 abuse wrote:
On March 08 2021 21:46 Avi-Love wrote:
Being the "best player on the ladder" doesn't mean anything, he's not better than Flash, he's not even close. He's also one of the most (if not THE most) disliked players in Korea, and for good reason.


what's the reason?

He played a Chinese tournament with Savior, when others pros decided didn't play.

Movie also played it.Koreans dislike him too for that reason?
Oya187
Profile Joined May 2018
50 Posts
March 08 2021 14:57 GMT
#10
From what ive heard he is banned from ASL because of bm behavior, but that might just be rumours I dunno.
Avi-Love
Profile Joined November 2003
Denmark423 Posts
March 08 2021 15:04 GMT
#11
On March 08 2021 23:53 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2021 22:26 masoka82 wrote:
On March 08 2021 22:01 abuse wrote:
On March 08 2021 21:46 Avi-Love wrote:
Being the "best player on the ladder" doesn't mean anything, he's not better than Flash, he's not even close. He's also one of the most (if not THE most) disliked players in Korea, and for good reason.


what's the reason?

He played a Chinese tournament with Savior, when others pros decided didn't play.

Movie also played it.Koreans dislike him too for that reason?



(Wiki)2018 Hangzhou StarCraft Carnival

radley
Profile Joined August 2008
Poland582 Posts
March 08 2021 15:52 GMT
#12
I've beat him using protoss in hay tournament. He was so pissed off that he quit, even though it was bo3 and then his colleague convinced him after 10 minutes to come back and play.
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bovienchien
Profile Joined March 2014
Vietnam1152 Posts
March 08 2021 16:00 GMT
#13
On March 08 2021 23:40 9-BiT wrote:
From what I heard he's banned from ASL events because he went to an ASL qualifier, beat a couple of pros, and then dropped out before qualifying.

Yes. I have C rank and I want to take B rank but I don't know why I want to take it.
https://www.facebook.com/StarcraftRemasteredVN/
Return
Profile Joined June 2005
Ivory Coast856 Posts
March 08 2021 16:02 GMT
#14
On March 09 2021 01:00 bovienchien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2021 23:40 9-BiT wrote:
From what I heard he's banned from ASL events because he went to an ASL qualifier, beat a couple of pros, and then dropped out before qualifying.

Yes. I have C rank and I want to take B rank but I don't know why I want to take it.


probably cause its some kind of metric to show that you're improving and gets you to face better players. Wanting to move up a ladder isnt that weird of a concept
Diiiscoo-oh, thats where the happy people go!
Avi-Love
Profile Joined November 2003
Denmark423 Posts
March 08 2021 16:11 GMT
#15
On March 09 2021 01:00 bovienchien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2021 23:40 9-BiT wrote:
From what I heard he's banned from ASL events because he went to an ASL qualifier, beat a couple of pros, and then dropped out before qualifying.

Yes. I have C rank and I want to take B rank but I don't know why I want to take it.


Based on the extremely shitty thread, your inability to correctly gauge the perceived skill level of sc players and the importance of the sc:r ladder rankings I am not surprised that your ranking is low.

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bovienchien
Profile Joined March 2014
Vietnam1152 Posts
March 08 2021 16:20 GMT
#16
It's my fault . At least, I am better than D rank players!
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Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
March 08 2021 17:34 GMT
#17
Being good at ladder usually just means you're good at playing standard builds with the delay that p2p causes. Totally different from a LAN environment with actual planning having to be involved in the boX series.
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staatbauhaus
Profile Joined February 2020
99 Posts
March 08 2021 18:23 GMT
#18
holy shit you guys spread so much gossip. He's banned because he qualified for one of the ASL's but quit last minute because he didn't want to travel to Seoul.

And no, he's not hated by pros I mean ffs Light is his teacher. Every pro would play him if he brings a spon but pros dont bring spons to amateurs because it's seen as noob bashing.

And he mentions all the time there is a gap between top amateurs and pros. He always mentions he's super scared to play Best. He would never say he's better than Flash LOL
hatcherycakesc
Profile Joined November 2020
6 Posts
March 08 2021 18:51 GMT
#19
On March 09 2021 01:20 bovienchien wrote:
It's my fault . At least, I am better than D rank players!


But that's literally what Avi just said you aren't. Ladder doesn't matter so you can be better than some b players and some d players can be better than you. Duh.
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Kare
Profile Joined March 2009
Norway786 Posts
March 08 2021 19:02 GMT
#20
I'm pretty sure he is more than good enough to get far in ASL. The reason he is not is probably because of bad motivation, not being that interested in the spotlight, inconsistencies in his play and some bans from dropping out of the tournament/going to china with savior etc..
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LUCKY_NOOB
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Bulgaria1410 Posts
March 08 2021 20:34 GMT
#21
You can't expect people to pass on money if it's their job and he won it too Shinee. If he didn't Savoir would have made even more money!

What about Scan and Beast? They are not banned?
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SchAmToo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1141 Posts
March 08 2021 20:47 GMT
#22
On March 09 2021 05:34 LUCKY_NOOB wrote:
You can't expect people to pass on money if it's their job and he won it too Shinee. If he didn't Savoir would have made even more money!

What about Scan and Beast? They are not banned?


I believe it's more complicated and nuanced than just he attended the tournament. I remember being told a bunch about letting Shinee into my tournaments. I ultimately decided to let him in(?) and was called a Savior apologist.

I think it's well within ASL's rights to deny him. IIRC he was pretty bad mannered in my tours until i told him i'd ban him. Might be why ASL doesn't want him, might be a lot more.
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fLyiNgDroNe
Profile Joined September 2005
Belgium3996 Posts
March 08 2021 20:48 GMT
#23
On March 09 2021 03:23 staatbauhaus wrote:
holy shit you guys spread so much gossip. He's banned because he qualified for one of the ASL's but quit last minute because he didn't want to travel to Seoul.

And no, he's not hated by pros I mean ffs Light is his teacher. Every pro would play him if he brings a spon but pros dont bring spons to amateurs because it's seen as noob bashing.

And he mentions all the time there is a gap between top amateurs and pros. He always mentions he's super scared to play Best. He would never say he's better than Flash LOL


Thanks for the explanation. Can this be edited into OP so that pointless guessing stops?
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jinjin5000
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1400 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-03-08 22:42:10
March 08 2021 22:03 GMT
#24
he beat a pro (think sSak), then told the qualifying organizer that he lost instead and then left, when he won. That's why he's banned, not because of SaviOr stuff. Because it was seen that he was disrupting the ASL tournament.

He also did some controversial stuff like quitting tournaments midway due to other tournaments offering more prize pool so that may have contributed to whole savior ban, but he was banned because of quitting despite winning on ASL

He gets plenty of spons vs other pros including FlaSh.
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6512 Posts
March 08 2021 22:16 GMT
#25
On March 09 2021 00:04 Avi-Love wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2021 23:53 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
On March 08 2021 22:26 masoka82 wrote:
On March 08 2021 22:01 abuse wrote:
On March 08 2021 21:46 Avi-Love wrote:
Being the "best player on the ladder" doesn't mean anything, he's not better than Flash, he's not even close. He's also one of the most (if not THE most) disliked players in Korea, and for good reason.


what's the reason?

He played a Chinese tournament with Savior, when others pros decided didn't play.

Movie also played it.Koreans dislike him too for that reason?



(Wiki)2018 Hangzhou StarCraft Carnival


(Wiki)2013 StarCraft Asian Open

Sure. They even posted pictures of them taking dinner in the same table,
ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1146 Posts
March 09 2021 00:56 GMT
#26
this year
P Stork 0:2 Snow 2:1 Free 2:0 노지호 2:0 원지훈 4:1 원선재 0:1 이광용 5:0 윤수철 9:6 김채운 2:0 전제민 33:1

lol
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland24523 Posts
March 09 2021 02:32 GMT
#27
I thought Shine was disliked for being Bisu’s kryptonite?

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JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-03-09 03:52:07
March 09 2021 03:51 GMT
#28
On March 09 2021 11:32 WombaT wrote:
I thought Shine was disliked for being Bisu’s kryptonite?


it's a different guy XD (not sure if you're joking)

On March 09 2021 07:03 jinjin5000 wrote:
he beat a pro (think sSak), then told the qualifying organizer that he lost instead and then left, when he won. That's why he's banned, not because of SaviOr stuff. Because it was seen that he was disrupting the ASL tournament.

He also did some controversial stuff like quitting tournaments midway due to other tournaments offering more prize pool so that may have contributed to whole savior ban, but he was banned because of quitting despite winning on ASL

He gets plenty of spons vs other pros including FlaSh.

oh damn, did he say or does anyone know why Shinee lied to the organisers about winning?

On March 09 2021 00:52 radley wrote:
I've beat him using protoss in hay tournament. He was so pissed off that he quit, even though it was bo3 and then his colleague convinced him after 10 minutes to come back and play.

hahaha his behaviour fits all the other descriptions of him
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Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10108 Posts
March 09 2021 06:05 GMT
#29
On March 09 2021 11:32 WombaT wrote:
I thought Shine was disliked for being Bisu’s kryptonite?


Shinee vs. Shine also they look nothing alike
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Cheesefome
Profile Joined May 2016
311 Posts
March 09 2021 06:34 GMT
#30
On March 09 2021 03:23 staatbauhaus wrote:
holy shit you guys spread so much gossip. He's banned because he qualified for one of the ASL's but quit last minute because he didn't want to travel to Seoul.

And no, he's not hated by pros I mean ffs Light is his teacher. Every pro would play him if he brings a spon but pros dont bring spons to amateurs because it's seen as noob bashing.

And he mentions all the time there is a gap between top amateurs and pros. He always mentions he's super scared to play Best. He would never say he's better than Flash LOL


HAHAHA! No shit right? I wonder if he's looking at this from afar and wondering what the hell are these foreigners talking about while at the same time finding it comical that people are just making up all sorts of assumptions. One dude says cause he cut off the arm of al pacino, another saying cause he kidnapped pablo escobars wife, another fella says its cause he moves drugs for the north korean mafia. Imagination and stories are running wild in this thread bahahahaha! Couldn't help but to laugh my ass off at all the gossip and mislead hoomains.
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
March 09 2021 09:41 GMT
#31
So, from what I read it means he's not officially banned/restricted from ASL, it's just him doesn't wanna travel to Seoul and maybe don't have motivation? And he's bit loud and says ssibal almost every game so ASL organisers thought he can pull something off on live so they don't want him?
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Avi-Love
Profile Joined November 2003
Denmark423 Posts
March 09 2021 10:00 GMT
#32
Also just to contribute to the actual facts of this thread, KCM chose to ban all Koreans that participated in the 2018 event that I linked (not related to whatever 2013 event Eon linked as far as I know). See more at https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/525290-information-from-korea?page=101#2019

I don't know how long it last(ed?) for, or if anyone ever apologized or were allowed back in though, so if anyone can shed some light on that it would be fantastic. But it does go to show that it was a big deal in the Korean scene, KCM is a prominent tournament organizer / personality and his stance was in no way uncertain.
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4168 Posts
March 09 2021 12:45 GMT
#33
That's very interesting.. Thanks for the info.
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XenOsky
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Chile2230 Posts
March 09 2021 19:26 GMT
#34
Racist prick.

Super good playing bw tho.
StarCraft & Audax Italiano
staatbauhaus
Profile Joined February 2020
99 Posts
March 09 2021 21:36 GMT
#35
On March 09 2021 19:00 Avi-Love wrote:
Also just to contribute to the actual facts of this thread, KCM chose to ban all Koreans that participated in the 2018 event that I linked (not related to whatever 2013 event Eon linked as far as I know). See more at https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/525290-information-from-korea?page=101#2019

I don't know how long it last(ed?) for, or if anyone ever apologized or were allowed back in though, so if anyone can shed some light on that it would be fantastic. But it does go to show that it was a big deal in the Korean scene, KCM is a prominent tournament organizer / personality and his stance was in no way uncertain.


Can't find his post I think he deleted it. But he removed the ban saying it wasn't fair to punish players that didn't do anything wrong. His initial decision was running off hot emotions.

Everyone that was initially banned went to go on to play in his league and coach as well.
ruhtraeel
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada117 Posts
March 09 2021 22:04 GMT
#36
On March 08 2021 23:53 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2021 22:26 masoka82 wrote:
On March 08 2021 22:01 abuse wrote:
On March 08 2021 21:46 Avi-Love wrote:
Being the "best player on the ladder" doesn't mean anything, he's not better than Flash, he's not even close. He's also one of the most (if not THE most) disliked players in Korea, and for good reason.


what's the reason?

He played a Chinese tournament with Savior, when others pros decided didn't play.

Movie also played it.Koreans dislike him too for that reason?


Random question, can you commentate for some ASL season 11 matches like you did for ASTL now that Tastosis aren't doing it?
rararara
Profile Joined March 2021
115 Posts
March 13 2021 20:32 GMT
#37
Is Shinee playing ASL 11 qualifiers? Did he play any ASL before?

I saw a couple of FPVods on Home of Starcraft. Is there more?
The guy streams not often.

RushHour_
Profile Joined June 2019
6 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-03-14 00:41:08
March 13 2021 23:20 GMT
#38
Woo guys... hope you guys don't hurt each other too much.
Aside, to answer this, I'm gonna quote Pusan[S.G], who used to be one of very good Protoss players.

When Larva was doing good and 'only' good on online matches, some viewers asked if Larva is a great player.
Pusan answered that, in short, online and offline matches are quite different.
Pusan could never get rid of the tension and weight of the offline ones until he got retired, and emphasized that it is a reason for FlaSh being great; FlaSh is perfect on online matches, and he is capable of fully showing them and staying calm during the offline matches.

So, I think Shinee is a good player.
But another thing is that the ex-pros these days don't really focus much on ladder games. I mean they still get high rank, but it's really a piece of cake for them to do so, and they generally practice with each other, within pros.
Also, Shinee doesn't really spend much energy on ASL, since he has his own job going on. He once won sSak and was able to advance to Ro. 24, but he gave up bc of his job.
rararara
Profile Joined March 2021
115 Posts
March 13 2021 23:53 GMT
#39
On March 14 2021 08:20 RushHour_ wrote:
Woo guys... hope you guys don't hurt each other too much.
Aside, to answer on this, I'm gonna quote on Pusan[S.G], who used to be one of very good Protoss players.

When Larva was doing good and 'only' good on online matches, some viewers asked if Larva is a great player.
Pusan answered that, in short, online and offline matches are quite different.
Pusan could never get rid of the tension and weight of the offline ones until he got retired, and emphasized that it is a reason for FlaSh being great; FlaSh is perfect on online matches, and he is capable of fully showing them and staying calm during the offline matches.

So, I think Shinee is a good player.
But another thing is that the ex-pros these days don't really focus much on ladder games. I mean they still get high rank, but it's really a piece of cake for them to do so, and they generally practice with each other, within pros.
Also, Shinee doesn't really spend much energy on ASL, since he has his own job going on. He once won sSak and was able to advance to Ro. 24, but he gave up bc of his job.


do you know what job he is working or what other pros are working?
How many are actually "real professionals" not doing other stuff than playing BW?
RushHour_
Profile Joined June 2019
6 Posts
March 14 2021 00:34 GMT
#40
On March 14 2021 08:53 rararara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2021 08:20 RushHour_ wrote:
Woo guys... hope you guys don't hurt each other too much.
Aside, to answer on this, I'm gonna quote on Pusan[S.G], who used to be one of very good Protoss players.

When Larva was doing good and 'only' good on online matches, some viewers asked if Larva is a great player.
Pusan answered that, in short, online and offline matches are quite different.
Pusan could never get rid of the tension and weight of the offline ones until he got retired, and emphasized that it is a reason for FlaSh being great; FlaSh is perfect on online matches, and he is capable of fully showing them and staying calm during the offline matches.

So, I think Shinee is a good player.
But another thing is that the ex-pros these days don't really focus much on ladder games. I mean they still get high rank, but it's really a piece of cake for them to do so, and they generally practice with each other, within pros.
Also, Shinee doesn't really spend much energy on ASL, since he has his own job going on. He once won sSak and was able to advance to Ro. 24, but he gave up bc of his job.


do you know what job he is working or what other pros are working?
How many are actually "real professionals" not doing other stuff than playing BW?


Don't know about his job, tbh I don't really watch much of Shinee...
Most ex gamers are focusing on playing games tho. FlaSh said he tried to do some business, and Larva opened up a restaurant for a side job, but that'd be pretty much it. And even for them, SC would be their main jobs.
cRoSsy
Profile Joined August 2019
66 Posts
March 14 2021 04:57 GMT
#41
Shinee qualifed ASL before, and he didnt participate ASL, so he in banned from afreeca tourneys. Shinee can qualify ASL pretty confidently for sure, but he is not flash level. He is the best amateur player but he is not major pro level.
cRoSsy
Profile Joined August 2019
66 Posts
March 14 2021 05:01 GMT
#42
I think there is another zerg who also got banned because of the same reason, i doubt it was Yerim. Not sure though. I saw him playing qualies this time though. I think Afreeca will forgive Shinee and let him play ASL if shinee wants to and possibly apologize his behavior, but Shinee is not a person like that, he will just say i dont care about ASL.
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