We managed to get through 2020 - here’s to us, you magnificent nerds. Last year we ran three seasons of the Bombastic StarLeague and we thought we’d fancy doing that again (we mean three more seasons of the BSL, not 2020).
While the whole year hasn’t been planned out just yet, one thing is a given - the eleventh installment in the BSL series is just around the corner. How soon? Next week? Next month? Are we teasing too much?
Before we jump into the technical part of the whens and whats and hows, we’d like to preface by thanking eSport.fund for once again stepping in and providing us with the necessary financial support to keep churning out StarCraft events. They love Brood War and, guess what, so do we.
Of course we’d be amiss to forget about the community who chipped in big-time (we’re looking at youse, Purepat and Crvt) as well as the horde of BSL Patrons (Specially STRFKR, StRyKeR, Andrei (qkrorlqr) and more), whose contributions made this coming season of the BSL possible. We’d like to thank the community for the support we’ve received over the past few seasons and we hope the fruits of our labour will once again live up to everyone’s expectations.
Key Information:
- BSL11 Proleague will have a whopping prize pool of 5,000$ with an additional 500$ in prizes for the remaining divisions and tournaments. - During BSL11 we will continue to run three separate skill-based divisions, catering to the needs of both experienced players and newcomers to the scene alike. If we will have a large number of competitors signed up for ChoboLeague, we will divide it for a few smaller divisions - also-skill based. - Every Saturday and Sunday we will have ProLeague cast, every Tuesday and Thursday we will have GosuLeague casts, Choboleague cast dates will be announced;
The fun doesn’t stop there - here’s a few bonus goals / rewards to sweeten the deal:
1. If we reach ~$3500 in donations during BSL Season 11, eSport.fund will extend their support through BSL Season 12* (same prize pool and format as BSL11). a) BSL Season 12 is set to start right after the BSL Season 11; b) TOP4 ProLeague and TOP4 GosuLeague players of BSL Season 11 will be seeded into BSL Season 12 ProLeague. 2. The TOP 3 finishers from BSL Season 11 and BSL Season 12 (if it will happen) will get a direct seed into the Ro16 of RCG 2021. (Sick crossover episode, btw.)
This is also the bit where we invite you to visit the eSport.fund website and show them your gratitude.
BSL Season 11
Ladder stage starts TODAY, it will end 14.02.2021 23:59 UTC. You can start playing now!
How do I sign up?
Create a new account using the BSL- tag on any gateway BSL-YourNickName, e.g.: BSL-Hatchet, BSL-Awerti, BSL-ZZZero, ..[NOT BSL11-!]
Register on the site and add your in-game account to the rankings
Launch StarCraft: Remastered and start laddering! The Ladder Stage commences on January 23 and closes on February 14 at 23:59 UTC
-> If you want to play a SMURF during a ladder stage, you must notify Admins about it. This information will remain among BSL admins until the end of the ladder phase. People who qualify on a smurf without notifying the administrators will be removed from the tournament.
IMPORTANT NOTE: This season we don’t have confirmation when the SC:R ladder season will end. Check out for our announcements just in case it will happen during the BSL ladder stage.
How do I qualify for each division?
The top 4 players from the Ladder Stage get seed into BSL11 ProLeague Ro16 [Required minimum 50 games]
The top 5 - 28 players from the Ladder Stage get seeded into BSL11 ProLeague Ro24 [Required minimum 40 games]
Players ranked #29 to #61 from the Ladder Stage get seeded into BSL11 GosuLeague [Required minimum 30 games]
All remaining Ladder Stage participants who completed at least 20 ladder games get seeded into BSL11 ChoboLeague [ChoboLeague might be divided into few tiers - depends on number of participants]
After ladder stage is done, confirm your participation on BSL Discord -> https://discord.gg/ST6ktnD My nickname: ZZZero#1122
Continue improving your BSL ladder placement even after qualifying - the player with the higher ladder placement will be given priority during map vetoes in Ro8.
ProLeague
Ro24 Group Stage – Six groups of four players each, double elimination, best-of-one. The top 2 players in each group advance to the Ro16.
Ro16 Group Stage – Four groups of four players each, double elimination, best-of-three. The top 2 players in each group advance to the Ro8.
Ro8, Ro4 and 3rd place match – Single elimination bracket, best-of-five.
Grand Finals – Best-of-seven.
GosuLeague
Ro32 Group Stage – Eight groups of four players each, double elimination, first three matches - best-of-one, last two matches - best-of-three. The top 2 players in each group advance to the Ro16.
Ro16 Group Stage – Four groups with four players each, double elimination, best-of-three. The top 2 players in each group advance to the Ro8.
Ro8 and Ro4 – Single elimination bracket, best-of-five.
Grand finals – Best-of-seven.
ChoboLeague
RoXX Group Stage – 8 groups with XX players in each, best-of-one. ROUND ROBIN/SWISS The top 2 players of each group advance to Ro16.
Ro16 Group Stage – Four groups with four players each, double elimination, best-of-three. The top 2 players in each group advance to the Ro8.
Ro8 and Ro4 – Single elimination bracket, best-of-five.
Grand finals – Best-of-seven.
Same as previous season, newcomers of Choboleague will have an opportunity to have some coaching from the best Gosu and Pro League players. If you feel like you need some help in improving, this is the best league for you!
BSL11 ProLeague Schedule:
23.01.2021 - 20.02.2021 Ladder Stage
21.02.2021 - RO24 Group draw ceremony
26.02.2021 - 18:30 CET - Ro24 Group 1 & 2
27.02.2021 - 18:30 CET - Ro24 Group 3 & 4
28.02.2021 - 18:30 CET - Ro24 Group 5 & 6
28.02.2021 - RO16 Group draw ceremony
06.03.2021 - 18:30 CET - Ro16 Group A
07.03.2021 - 18:30 CET - Ro16 Group B
13.03.2021 - 18:30 CET - Ro16 Group C
14.03.2021 - 18:30 CET - Ro16 Group D
20.03.2021 - 18:30 CET - Ro8 Day 1
21.03.2021 - 18:30 CET - Ro8 Day 2
28.03.2021 - 18:30 CET - Ro4
04.04.2021 - 18:30 CET - 3rd place and Grand Finals
We reserve the right to change schedule if necessary.
Ladder Tour - Open #1 - 30.01.2021 - 100$ Ladder Tour - Some other event - 31.01.2021 - 100$ Ladder Tour - Chobo #1 - 04.02.2021 - SC:R Copy Ladder Tour - Open #2 - 06.02.2021 -100$ Ladder Tour - Some other event - 07.02.2021 - 100$ Ladder Tour - Chobo #2 - 09.02.2021 - SC:R Copy
Game 1 & 2 = Eclipse Winners Match = Sylphid Losers match & Advancements match = Polypoid
RO16 Group Stage:
Game 1 & 2 = Overwatch Winners Match = Demonio Azul Losers match & advancement match = Blade Runner
Choosing second / third map rules: winner bans one map, loser choose map from remaining maps in the map pool.
RO8 Bracket:
All matches during the bracket are Bo5. Grand Finals are BO7. All vetoes and map picks need to be made before the matches. The player with the higher ladder stage ranking can decide if they want to veto first or second. The order for vetoes is AB ABABC for BO5 and ABABABC for BO7.
Example of vetoes for the BO5 match:
player A vetoes a map player B vetoes a map player A picks the first map player B picks the second map player A picks the third map player B picks the fourth map the remaining map will be played in the decider match Once all vetoes and mappicks are done you can start the matches.
Prize pool distribution: The BSL11 Proleague prize pool of $5,000 USD 1st place - $2000 + BSL 12 Ro16 & RCG 2021 Ro16 2nd place -$1200 + BSL 12 Ro16 & RCG 2021 Ro16 3rd place - $650 + BSL 12 Ro16 & RCG 2021 Ro16 4th place - $350 + BSL 12 Ro16 5-8th place - $150 9th-12th place - $50
The BSL11 Gosuleague 1st place - 100$ + BSL 12 Proleague Ro24 Seed 2nd place - BSL 12 Proleague Ro24 Seed 3rd place - BSL 12 Proleague Ro24 Seed 4th place - BSL 12 Proleague Ro24 Seed
1. Everyone must join the BSL Official Discord channel
The goal of the Bombastic StarLeague is to focus on the development of players outside of Korea. Citizens of South Korea are not allowed to take part in BSL. There might be exceptions under individual circumstances.
3. Race picking.
Upon confirming their participation, players need to declare race and matchups they play for the entire season.
4. Regular match rules
Players must be online and available on Battle.net channel Op BSL (Europe) 15 minutes before their scheduled match. Secondary channel of communication is BSL Open Discord server.
15 minutes after scheduled time, if one of the players not responding, his opponent may claim a technical win for one game.
15 minutes after that he can claim a win for the whole series.
5. Playing matches before the schedule
Every match prior to the Elimination Stage can be played ahead of schedule if both players and admins agree.
Contact your opponent and set up the date to play. We strongly suggest using BSL Open Discord for this so admins can keep track of things.
On the selected day, play your match. Apply the same rules as for a regular match - use Op BSL and Discord to communicate.
If both players were unable to play on their selected date/time or weren't able to set one up, match should be played as it was scheduled.
It is not allowed to livestream your games or announce the result if you are playing your match earlier.
Winner of the match must upload the replays to the admins.
6. Latency
Default Turn Rate setting is DTR. If both players agree, Turn Rate setting can be changed.
7. Disconnects
If one of the players gets disconnected from the game before the 2-minute mark, the game must be replayed. If one of the players had an advantage after the 2 minute mark, the decision is up to the admin.
8. Casting the game
Everyone should allow ZZZero or another official caster to join the game for broadcast.
9. Prize distribution
Winners of cash prizes are required to contact the organizer to agree on the desired form of payment of the prize. Contact should be via discord. The cost of sending funds and commissions are covered by the recipient.
10. Personal data
Anyone who is participating in the tournament agree to the processing of their personal data, which they made available to the organizer or which are accessible publicly.
11. Additional info
Participants are bound to follow common FATF AML/CFT protocols.
If you have any questions, feel free to ask anyone from the Staff on the discord channel.
that's an interesting map pool for sure.. was never expecting the ridiculousness that is Gold Rush to make a comeback. Shame that no STPL maps made it in there, I really think at least Desert Dwellers had the potential.
also - a bit of a shame that ro32 will be full bo1.. (if I understood this correctly?) I honestly think the 3x bo1 and 2x bo3 BSL style group stages were the best format.
All in all - looks like we are going to have another legendary foreign tournament THank you guys for all the hard work and dedication. And thanks to eSport.fund and the community for sponsoring.
On January 24 2021 17:37 MaGic~PhiL wrote: Ladder delay is big? Or is there an issue right now? Cant see any players on ladder so far?
HyPe! =) I like that gosu league is more important now too with giving direct spots for next bsl season.
Due to a technical issue ladder standings on bombasticstaleague.com wasn't updating. The problem is solved now, sorry for the inconvenience. #2 on the ladder now is a famous account sharer, we are aware of that and will take actions.
Big shout out to BSL team for including two new foreign made maps: Demonio Azul (by Freakling;LastCurse) and Blade Runner (by Minerals). Looking forward to seeing the potential of these maps realized in the form of some great games this season.
On January 25 2021 04:46 kogeT wrote: Actually the only thing that bothers me is disconnect to ladder maps. We only have eclipse and polypoid in the current map pool.
you can safely add Neo Sylphid to that
I doubt anyone forgot how to play on it since it's such a well made and balanced map, a true staple of the community.
also - 3 maps from the 10th edition are the same. More than ever before if I remember correctly.
When will the South American laddering issue be addressed? I battle 2000+ MMR Koreans 95% of my games and we have SA players surpassing 2200+ when they lose to most 2000 MMR players from other continents.
On January 27 2021 16:19 Q~Bert wrote: When will the South American laddering issue be addressed? I battle 2000+ MMR Koreans 95% of my games and we have SA players surpassing 2200+ when they lose to most 2000 MMR players from other continents.
When 3 of the 28 spots are essentially guaranteed to be locked down by formidable players: Terror, Dandy, Gosudark. It seems really unfair that remaining spots are scooped up simply due to players skating by a poor match making algorithm.
On January 27 2021 16:25 Q~Bert wrote: When 3 of the 28 spots are essentially guaranteed to be locked down by formidable players: Terror, Dandy, Gosudark. It seems really unfair that remaining spots are scooped up simply due to players skating by a poor match making algorithm.
On January 27 2021 16:25 Q~Bert wrote: When 3 of the 28 spots are essentially guaranteed to be locked down by formidable players: Terror, Dandy, Gosudark. It seems really unfair that remaining spots are scooped up simply due to players skating by a poor match making algorithm.
Are you better than those players H2H
Would I be making an issue of this if I felt those players were more deserving than myself? SA is excluded from the same matchmaking pool as the rest of the countries competing so it's definitely a shared sentiment.
On January 27 2021 16:25 Q~Bert wrote: When 3 of the 28 spots are essentially guaranteed to be locked down by formidable players: Terror, Dandy, Gosudark. It seems really unfair that remaining spots are scooped up simply due to players skating by a poor match making algorithm.
Are you better than those players H2H
Would I be making an issue of this if I felt those players were more deserving than myself? SA is excluded from the same matchmaking pool as the rest of the countries competing so it's definitely a shared sentiment.
On January 27 2021 16:25 Q~Bert wrote: When 3 of the 28 spots are essentially guaranteed to be locked down by formidable players: Terror, Dandy, Gosudark. It seems really unfair that remaining spots are scooped up simply due to players skating by a poor match making algorithm.
Are you better than those players H2H
Would I be making an issue of this if I felt those players were more deserving than myself? SA is excluded from the same matchmaking pool as the rest of the countries competing so it's definitely a shared sentiment.
On January 27 2021 16:19 Q~Bert wrote: When will the South American laddering issue be addressed? I battle 2000+ MMR Koreans 95% of my games and we have SA players surpassing 2200+ when they lose to most 2000 MMR players from other continents.
Oh man, when Bonyths issue will be addressed? He keeps on getting matched vs B ranks and I keep on getting him, making my rank look really bad..
+1 I think we should vote koget for a sole master of ladder and also put any non SA players in a different ladder stage. Then we can organise roman style gladiator flights for all SA players where Koget#1 ladder would be our supreme Emperor
On January 27 2021 16:19 Q~Bert wrote: When will the South American laddering issue be addressed? I battle 2000+ MMR Koreans 95% of my games and we have SA players surpassing 2200+ when they lose to most 2000 MMR players from other continents.
Oh man, when Bonyths issue will be addressed? He keeps on getting matched vs B ranks and I keep on getting him, making my rank look really bad..
I feel the same. They should seed Bonyth to ro8, so he dosent steal terran points.
On January 27 2021 16:25 Q~Bert wrote: When 3 of the 28 spots are essentially guaranteed to be locked down by formidable players: Terror, Dandy, Gosudark. It seems really unfair that remaining spots are scooped up simply due to players skating by a poor match making algorithm.
Are you better than those players H2H
Would I be making an issue of this if I felt those players were more deserving than myself? SA is excluded from the same matchmaking pool as the rest of the countries competing so it's definitely a shared sentiment.
Can we have some examples and H2H stats? Or are you not meeting them on Ladder because of the aforementioned issue?
Check out who would qualify to BSL11 Proleague if the ladder qualifications would end today. We have some great names there already💪 Who are we missing ❓
Full ranking👇https://bombasticstarleague.com/tournaments/bombastic-starleague-11/bsl11-ladder-stage
You can check out: - Each country representants by clicking on their flags; - Each races participants by clicking on their race graphic; - Players history of ladder and BSL results by clicking on their nickname;
🎯Btw. We are still looking for sponsors and partners, if you are interested in reaching a worldwide community of adult and responsible gamers, BSL is the best place for you!
1. Who are we missing in the TOP28 so far ? 2. Do you like posts like that with more information, or prefer shorter ones ?🤔
Ladies and Gentlemants🤠 Similar to the previous season, with the help of Mr. Freakling, we have prepared Bombastic versions of every map which is in BSL11 map pool!😍 We hope that it will give you a unique viewer experience while watching matches between best players in the entire world, playing in the best league in the entire world!💪 You can download full map pool here: https://bombasticstarleague.com/.../maps/BSL11-map-pack.zip Which one you like the most ?🤔
Polypoid Overwatch Gold Rush Polypoid BlueBastic Deamon BladeRunner - Mr. Minerals has adjusted with BSL graphics and updated this map for us ! Sylphid
I don't want to sound like a party pooper or a nitpicker, but wow.. I actually hate the changes on Blade Runner, Demonio Azul and Gold Rush..
looks kinda bad because you've stripped the maps of their iconic features (snowy mains, demonic face in the middle and a giant skull in the middle respectivley)
On February 02 2021 06:35 M3t4PhYzX wrote: I don't want to sound like a party pooper or a nitpicker, but wow.. I actually hate the changes on Blade Runner, Demonio Azul and Gold Rush..
looks kinda bad because you've stripped the maps of their iconic features (snowy mains, demonic face in the middle and a giant skull in the middle respectivley)
that's a big oof to be honest
Just want to say that I am sure that this is the minority opinion. FOH
On February 02 2021 06:35 M3t4PhYzX wrote: I don't want to sound like a party pooper or a nitpicker, but wow.. I actually hate the changes on Blade Runner, Demonio Azul and Gold Rush..
looks kinda bad because you've stripped the maps of their iconic features (snowy mains, demonic face in the middle and a giant skull in the middle respectivley)
that's a big oof to be honest
Just want to say that I am sure that this is the minority opinion. FOH
I don't give a shit I've just stated my honest opinion and that's it. Of course some people will disagree.
On February 02 2021 06:35 M3t4PhYzX wrote: I don't want to sound like a party pooper or a nitpicker, but wow.. I actually hate the changes on Blade Runner, Demonio Azul and Gold Rush..
looks kinda bad because you've stripped the maps of their iconic features (snowy mains, demonic face in the middle and a giant skull in the middle respectivley)
that's a big oof to be honest
If you actually tried playing them instead of looking at them you'd probably understand
On February 02 2021 06:35 M3t4PhYzX wrote: I don't want to sound like a party pooper or a nitpicker, but wow.. I actually hate the changes on Blade Runner, Demonio Azul and Gold Rush..
looks kinda bad because you've stripped the maps of their iconic features (snowy mains, demonic face in the middle and a giant skull in the middle respectivley)
that's a big oof to be honest
Just want to say that I am sure that this is the minority opinion. FOH
I don't give a shit I've just stated my honest opinion and that's it. Of course some people will disagree.
so GFY I guess
Some honest opinions are so moronic they should probably be kept to yourself. Sadly, I can say that about a large % of your posts.
On February 02 2021 06:35 M3t4PhYzX wrote: I don't want to sound like a party pooper or a nitpicker, but wow.. I actually hate the changes on Blade Runner, Demonio Azul and Gold Rush..
looks kinda bad because you've stripped the maps of their iconic features (snowy mains, demonic face in the middle and a giant skull in the middle respectivley)
On February 10 2021 08:40 MaGic~PhiL wrote: so ladder phase gets cancelled and restarted? everything else seems super unfair?_?
Why not give participants the option to either play the new ladder or hold on their current score? Inactive gosus can knock out 40 games and S rank in the time remaining if he planned to. People like me with less time to ladder (work/kids/other commitments) and already got their account ready to enter can elect to hold on their current MMR. At the end merge the lists and take the top 28.
I'm not sure who doing that would hurt. Anyone who spent the past few weeks grinding for BSL and doesn't have a good MMR already isn't going to be kept out by the ladder reset, they're going to be kept out because after weeks of grinding they didn't have a good MMR. Anyone who planned to blitz the ladder in the last few days still can.
People currently on 2100 MMR after 100 games will probably say that had it not been for the reset they totally would have gotten 2350 by Sunday but I'm not sure I believe them. Either way, they have the option to prove themselves in the next 5 days.
For me its 2 options - Entering all players by current MMR, or extra time and all players will need to play again. No between. Of course now will be harder to get 2350mmr because at opening season playing at 2100/2200 mmr you will get much more players who really are 2400++ than in the end of season, but after all its not me who is deciding so i stay patient
On February 10 2021 08:40 MaGic~PhiL wrote: so ladder phase gets cancelled and restarted? everything else seems super unfair?_?
Why not give participants the option to either play the new ladder or hold on their current score? TT1 can knock out 40 games and S rank in the time remaining if he planned to. People like me with less time to ladder (work/kids/other commitments) and already got their account ready to enter can elect to hold on their current MMR. At the end merge the lists and take the top 28.
I'm not sure who doing that would hurt. Anyone who spent the past few weeks grinding for BSL and doesn't have a good MMR already isn't going to be kept out by the ladder reset, they're going to be kept out because after weeks of grinding they didn't have a good MMR. Anyone who planned to blitz the ladder in the last few days still can.
People currently on 2100 MMR after 100 games will probably say that had it not been for the reset they totally would have gotten 2350 by Sunday but I'm not sure I believe them. Either way, they have the option to prove themselves in the next 5 days.
The only problem to this approach is that what if you weren't going to blitz? What if it was slow and steady, and you had given yourself time to play only the remaining 15 games (because you planned it as such to play a few games per day) or so by the deadline. People in this bucket may not have the time left due to this change now.
To your other point, while I would agree if you were 2100 after 100+ games, are you going to miraculously get 2300? Probably not. But that person can argue that "well, if I got a lucky streak and my best match up, maybe I could have..." That is not a point that we can really dispute, because there's no proof on either side now; and we know that ladder swings of +100 points is actually very possible if you hit a hot streak. I would say that it becomes unfair from an objective point of view. Another argument is - the map pool is different now, so people can also use this as an argument because now they have to get used to new maps in order to quickly get the 40 games up, which in result can hurt a persons momentum. I feel like there's lots of arguments to be made. And you can probably make counter arguments to these arguments, and the cycle will continue...
Also, anyone who did have time to fully mass-game in these last few days would objectively be at a disadvantage now. We can't sit here and act like the first week of a new season is the same difficulty as the last week of the old season we were just in. So now someone's 2300 was in the last week of the older season (easier), and somebody else who wants to mass-game would be playing in the first week of a new season (much harder). It's not an equal playing ground anymore... I personally think this disparity is one of the biggest problems to address.
I'm not stating what I think should be done, I'm simply playing devils advocate because I understand the different angles in this, and it's definitely not clear cut.
Anyways, all unfortunate, especially with the deadline looming just few days away. We'll see what ZZZero and the team decide is best. It's not an easy decision either way.
Saying "let people keep the ladder rating they had if they want to" is pretty myopic on many levels IMO. Here are just 2:
1. Specifically within this context, no one cares if you have kids or whatever. If you had one arm, should you get some extra leeway or understanding for a point-based qualifier?
2. Letting people keep their existing ladder rating is the equivalent (for some, to be fair) of hedging their bets. They can continue to sink games in knowing that they can always fall back on their 2120 from last month or whatever - unless they hit a point above that, at which point they can just claim that they were continuing to ladder up this whole time? Let's not make this some sort of crab bucket analogy either, as per #1.
However, if the cut-off is legitimately within this week, that is certainly quite a pickle and a shit play on Blizzard's part. I don't think cutting the season short at this point is the least fair idea.
On February 10 2021 08:40 MaGic~PhiL wrote: so ladder phase gets cancelled and restarted? everything else seems super unfair?_?
Why not give participants the option to either play the new ladder or hold on their current score? Inactive gosus can knock out 40 games and S rank in the time remaining if he planned to. People like me with less time to ladder (work/kids/other commitments) and already got their account ready to enter can elect to hold on their current MMR. At the end merge the lists and take the top 28.
I'm not sure who doing that would hurt. Anyone who spent the past few weeks grinding for BSL and doesn't have a good MMR already isn't going to be kept out by the ladder reset, they're going to be kept out because after weeks of grinding they didn't have a good MMR. Anyone who planned to blitz the ladder in the last few days still can.
People currently on 2100 MMR after 100 games will probably say that had it not been for the reset they totally would have gotten 2350 by Sunday but I'm not sure I believe them. Either way, they have the option to prove themselves in the next 5 days.
Is is just a bad situation.
I doubt there is a option that is fair for everyone. Lets brainstorm a bit.
A) We restart the BSL Ladder Stage and delay BSL -> People who grinded so far are rightfully upset and dissapointed
B) We let people who have a certain MMR now keep their result and the season simply runs out as planned (~4/5 Days) ; extremely unfair to people who didnt have time to play yet because the beginning of a season is way harder than the end of a season
C) People keep their MMR and we extend the ladder phase -> still feels unfairish to the players who planned to play their games during the last 4/5 days but it is better than solution B)
well what other reasonable options do we even have.. this all is so awkward.. Im really interested to hear what zeros solution is.. and I think time is also of the essence depending on what the plan is (e.g. if players can not keep their last season BSL rating they need to know quickly in order to play/grind again)..
Also before I forget one more very important point: How do you resolve the issue if a player did not reach the minimum amount of games (top 4 50 games.. top XX 40 games).. simply ignore the rule that was implemented (in case we decide players can keep their old season bslaccount mmr.. It would be reasonable for an account with >50 games.. but imagine somone being 25-1 ; 20-1; 15-1 or 10-1 and thus having very little games but super high rating.. that was something the 50 & 40 games rule tried to prevent)
apparently the ladder is broken right now anyway.. so yeah.. kinda dumb o_O
Yeah. Blizzard really fucked this up. I think the only thing everyone will agree on is that it's not ZZZero's fault and that whatever he decides is okay.
Has there been a decision yet? Holding current MMRs is not a possibility because they are severely inflated due to the ladder being at the very tail end of the longest season since the release of remastered. Having this many players nearing 2500 MMR is just unrealistic.
On February 10 2021 10:55 ne4aJIb wrote: or take the average of points from two seasons
Would have to be weighted somehow, no?
On February 10 2021 12:30 Q~Bert wrote: Has there been a decision yet? Holding current MMRs is not a possibility because they are severely inflated due to the ladder being at the very tail end of the longest season since the release of remastered. Having this many players nearing 2500 MMR is just unrealistic.
And all "new season" MMRs are obviously volatile and potentially throwaways entirely. Imagine getting matched with a top player who is already "qualified" based on "old" MMR and is just out to steal points from their competitors for shits n giggles. Or even just casual laddering at a lower rank.
Blizz done goofed here IMO but they also don't care so maybe not so much...
I'm 98% sure that they changed seasons because they met their quota for data storage (generated from ladder games/player stats) rather than anything else.
I think you should lower the min. amount of games requirement (20 games?), as anyway the intention of that is to make sure people don't abuse their placement matches MMR. So we know who would qualify anyway. Then if there are any upset people, give them a chance to qualify with an extra tournament or so, otherwise take it as we ended with standings from yesterday (HELLO RO16 lol)
this is very shit situation for zzzero and whole bsl crew to decide what to do, if you give option to keep current ranking then koget is top1 already, no1 can get almost 2600mmr in the start of the season. if you want to take current ranking and lower number of games played so you can qualify then you need to get lower then 28 becasue Dewalt is at 28 and lets be honest there cant be BSL without him, but then what about ppl like Blackman who is 2300 with 15 games or horrOr who is 5-1 with same rating as me after 30 games? There is also reset and start over again but then ppl like Kwark and myself who dont have so much time to play becasue of family/other stuff will be unhappy especially now when its so much harder at the beggining of the season to get high mmr. Whatever ZZZero and BSL crew decides will support it, we schould be thankful to them for making another BSL and putting their free time in it, not their fault Blizzard lack basic communication skills, i dont think them delaying for 5 days start of new season would cause any trouble.
On February 10 2021 17:40 Tarson wrote: this is very shit situation for zzzero and whole bsl crew to decide what to do, if you give option to keep current ranking then koget is top1 already, no1 can get almost 2600mmr in the start of the season. if you want to take current ranking and lower number of games played so you can qualify then you need to get lower then 28 becasue Dewalt is at 28 and lets be honest there cant be BSL without him, but then what about ppl like Blackman who is 2300 with 15 games or horrOr who is 5-1 with same rating as me after 30 games? There is also reset and start over again but then ppl like Kwark and myself who dont have so much time to play becasue of family/other stuff will be unhappy especially now when its so much harder at the beggining of the season to get high mmr. Whatever ZZZero and BSL crew decides will support it, we schould be thankful to them for making another BSL and putting their free time in it, not their fault Blizzard lack basic communication skills, i dont think them delaying for 5 days start of new season would cause any trouble.
That is why I propose, take old standings, lower the amount of game to 20, if someone is upset make a tournament for 2-4 spots extra.
I think it's fairly obvious that either using only the old standings, or using only the new ones, would be unfair. How about some sort of compromise where maybe half of the people qualify from the old standings, and the rest can qualify from the new season; that way anyone that really put in work and achieved high mmr with a high number of games played are rewarded, and those that didn't play enough games and/or didn't start playing yet still have a chance to qualify.
On February 10 2021 19:44 Avi-Love wrote: I think it's fairly obvious that either using only the old standings, or using only the new ones, would be unfair. How about some sort of compromise where maybe half of the people qualify from the old standings, and the rest can qualify from the new season; that way anyone that really put in work and achieved high mmr with a high number of games played are rewarded, and those that didn't play enough games and/or didn't start playing yet still have a chance to qualify.
Yes, in my opinion a weighted score/mmr is the way out of this.
So basically take the existing rankings, find a way to normalize the MMRs from the total number of days BSL Ladder was on in the old season and then create a new (maybe 10 day or however long is necessary) score for games in the new ladder season. Then add the two and weight them accordingly.
It would help the people that barely played in the old season but also keep the high MMRs of the old season in a favorable position still.
On February 10 2021 08:40 MaGic~PhiL wrote: so ladder phase gets cancelled and restarted? everything else seems super unfair?_?
Why not give participants the option to either play the new ladder or hold on their current score? Inactive gosus can knock out 40 games and S rank in the time remaining if he planned to. People like me with less time to ladder (work/kids/other commitments) and already got their account ready to enter can elect to hold on their current MMR. At the end merge the lists and take the top 28.
I'm not sure who doing that would hurt. Anyone who spent the past few weeks grinding for BSL and doesn't have a good MMR already isn't going to be kept out by the ladder reset, they're going to be kept out because after weeks of grinding they didn't have a good MMR. Anyone who planned to blitz the ladder in the last few days still can.
People currently on 2100 MMR after 100 games will probably say that had it not been for the reset they totally would have gotten 2350 by Sunday but I'm not sure I believe them. Either way, they have the option to prove themselves in the next 5 days.
It is easier to rank higher at the end of a season than at the beginning of a season.
My idea was more that we literally give 12 slots to the people that were top 12 before the ladder reset, and then everyone else can play for the remaining 12 slots. (This is assuming it's 24 players that qualify from proleague, I honestly can't remember if there are seeds / gosuleague winners or anything, whatever the number you can just adjust it to be 50/50). To me that seems fair.
On February 10 2021 20:51 Avi-Love wrote: My idea was more that we literally give 12 slots to the people that were top 12 before the ladder reset, and then everyone else can play for the remaining 12 slots. (This is assuming it's 24 players that qualify from proleague, I honestly can't remember if there are seeds / gosuleague winners or anything, whatever the number you can just adjust it to be 50/50). To me that seems fair.
This is a decent idea since it accounts for the ladder rankings being very skewed for the first few weeks of the season.
I think avi's solution is a good one. Maybe something like, top 12 out of guys with 30+ games from the pre-reset list, ~10 spots for top ladder from the next ~10 days (and say 30 games requirement there too), the rest (6 spots?) from two separate qualification tournaments - one this weekend, one next?
On February 10 2021 20:51 Avi-Love wrote: My idea was more that we literally give 12 slots to the people that were top 12 before the ladder reset, and then everyone else can play for the remaining 12 slots. (This is assuming it's 24 players that qualify from proleague, I honestly can't remember if there are seeds / gosuleague winners or anything, whatever the number you can just adjust it to be 50/50). To me that seems fair.
28 people qualify because top 4 was supposed to be seeded into ro16 and then 24 more players get into ro24
Your idea makes perfect sense, though. It's a good one.
On February 10 2021 21:47 Liquid`Drone wrote: I think avi's solution is a good one. Maybe something like, top 12 out of guys with 30+ games from the pre-reset list, ~10 spots for top ladder from the next ~10 days (and say 30 games requirement there too), the rest (6 spots?) from two separate qualification tournaments - one this weekend, one next?
Sounds perfect to me.
Would be good to hear from someone from the BSL team as quickly as possible.
I wouldn’t hate a naked favouritism solution either, honestly. I think if you asked people to name the top 28 foreigners you’d get 90% of the same names on everyone’s list. We all basically agree who should be playing, and who shouldn’t be. I’m above Terror in the ladder but if ZZZero said that Terror deserves a slot more than me I’m not about to argue that I’m better at Starcraft than Terror.
On February 11 2021 00:57 KwarK wrote: I wouldn’t hate a naked favouritism solution either, honestly. I think if you asked people to name the top 28 foreigners you’d get 90% of the same names on everyone’s list. We all basically agree who should be playing, and who shouldn’t be. I’m above Terror in the ladder but if ZZZero said that Terror deserves a slot more than me I’m not about to argue that I’m better at Starcraft than Terror.
Not everyone is as open minded and logical though, to admit things like this. Plus your example is two opposite ends of the spectrum (top foreigner vs lower tier foreigner, no offense). What about examples when there are people in the same "tier"?
Which is why there are qualifiers/a ladder stage, so the data can do the talking and it's objective instead of speculative.
People have had some good suggestions in here, but even each suggestion has strong counter arguments to it. Let's just wait and see what the BSL team decides; I think one thing hopefully we can all agree on: whatever they decide, we will support it, and not everyone will be happy with it either. It is what it is.
On February 11 2021 00:57 KwarK wrote: I wouldn’t hate a naked favouritism solution either, honestly. I think if you asked people to name the top 28 foreigners you’d get 90% of the same names on everyone’s list. We all basically agree who should be playing, and who shouldn’t be. I’m above Terror in the ladder but if ZZZero said that Terror deserves a slot more than me I’m not about to argue that I’m better at Starcraft than Terror.
then why even making any qualifiers? when you " all basically agree who should be playing". let ZZZero invite them and lets see same faces playing over and over again in every tournament. this is the worst way you can solve this problem, i am sure ZZZero making ranking like this so newcomers who maybe have more time to play and more luck can break thourgh to gosuleague or even higher.
On February 11 2021 00:57 KwarK wrote: I wouldn’t hate a naked favouritism solution either, honestly. I think if you asked people to name the top 28 foreigners you’d get 90% of the same names on everyone’s list. We all basically agree who should be playing, and who shouldn’t be. I’m above Terror in the ladder but if ZZZero said that Terror deserves a slot more than me I’m not about to argue that I’m better at Starcraft than Terror.
then why even making any qualifiers? when you " all basically agree who should be playing". let ZZZero invite them and lets see same faces playing over and over again in every tournament. this is the worst way you can solve this problem, i am sure ZZZero making ranking like this so newcomers who maybe have more time to play and more luck can break thourgh to gosuleague or even higher.
We had qualifiers because qualifiers are better but then Blizzard came in and fucked everything up. Naked favouritism isn’t a great idea but this is a fucked situation and we don’t want to see players that everyone knows would have qualified without Blizzard intervening get excluded. You were on my list btw. With your MMR +75 from gosuleague win it was pretty obvious you were going to qualify.
As far as favoritism is concerned, I think that is the point of allowing the top 12 as is. Every name in the top 12 either has qualified previously, was going to certainly qualify this time or is just viewed as a top foreigner objectively. The rest can battle it out for the remaining spots.
And let's be honest, if time is an issue when it comes to your availability to play then you were never going to reach even the Ro8 unless you were already a top contender ie Bonyth, Koget.
I think IF the solution is time sensitive (e.g. no extended BSL ladder period) that should be told to the public as soon as possible. So that at least individuals have enough time to grind the last 4 Days.
But not extending the BSL Ladder time frame (and thus maybe/probably(?) delaying the official start of Pro League) seems unwise overall.
Ofc zzzero also doesnt want to post anything too quickly and has to think this through .. but we need information pretty soon I think.. ;/
Unfortunately the SC: R ladder reset took place tonight. Therefore, we need to deal with this situation and determine the fairest way to qualify for BSL11. I am aware that we will not be able to satisfy everyone with our solution, so I am asking for your understanding. It wasn't easy to make a decision because there were so many factors that I had to take into consideration. I've been thinking about it all day at work and I think I have a fairly satisfactory solution:
BSL11 PROLEAGUE
OLD ladder season:
1. TOP4 players with minimum 50 games are qualified for BSL11 RO16 -> kogeT, OyA (2)
2. TOP5 - 28 players with minimum 40 games are qualified for BSL 11 RO24 -> Bonyth, Gosudark, Grimeboss, cRoSs, Dandy, Sziky, BoA, g0rynich, Spx, KwarK, TerrOr, UltrA, Ziggy, Tech, Yugox, MadiNho (16)
3. TOP5 - 28 players with minimum 20 games plays tour for 3 spots in BSL11 RO24 -> Dewalt, trutaCz, Tarson, Hawk, dsaqwe, DragOn (6) - Saturday 13.02, 18:00 CET #op BSL
NEW ladder season:
4. BSL11 Ladder stage will be extended till 20.02.2021, 23:59 UTC;
5. TOP2 players with minimum 30 games goes to BSL11 RO16 (Sum of the games with "old season ladder" needs to be min. 50);
6. TOP3-7 players with minimum 20 games goes to BSL11 RO24 (Sum of the games with "old season ladder" needs to be min. 40);
7. You don't need to register on website again, continue playing on same nickname (You need to register if you haven't done it earlier);
Additional info:
If player who is already qualified for BSL11 RO24 will qualify to BSL11 RO16, we will extend the number of spots qualified from New Ladder Season (Point. 6).
BSL11 Ladder Tour Open #3 will be canceled.
First casts of BSL Season 11 will be moved one week further (RO24 - 26/27/28 of February).
Please take under consideration, that I might have missed someone who should be qualified, please contact me if I did.
Old ladder ranking position has prioryty over new ladder ranking in terms of map picks in RO8
Hatchet is working hard on delivering both (new and old) ladder rankings on our webpage
BSL11 GOSULEAGUE
Old ladder season:
TOP29 - 61 players who had minimum 30 games goest to BSL11 Gosuleague RO32;
New ladder season:
TOP8 - XX players who will have minimum 20 games goes to BSL11 Gosuleague RO32; (Sum of the games with "old season ladder" needs to be min. 30)
BSL11 CHOBOLEAGUE
Old ladder season:
Everyone who played minimum 20 games and will confirm participation on BSL Discord is qualified for BSL11 Choboleague;
New ladder season:
Everyone who will play minimum 20 games and will confirm participation on BSL Discord is qualified for BSL11 Choboleague;
0. If you have played in BSL11 on your BSL-nickname and was registered on https://bombasticstarleague.com/ you don't have to register again, you can continue playing on same nickname. Otherwise: 1. Create a new account using the BSL- tag on any gateway BSL-YourNickName, e.g.: BSL-Hatchet, BSL-Obellus, BSL-ZZZero, ...[NOT BSL11-!) 2. Head over to: https://bombasticstarleague.com/ 3. Register on the site and add your in-game account to the rankings 4. Launch StarCraft: Remastered and start laddering!
For those who are already qualified: - Join BSL Discord and confirm your participation on #confirm-participation
Apologizes for all the players that are not satisfied with my solution, if it will make you feel any better, this situation is terrible for us as well.
Please help us spread this news to everyone, we don't have special announcement event for this purpose.
Why don't you just expand the tournament to 64 people like the NCAA basketball tournament? Basically combine Pro league and gosu league.
Consider the top 28 when ladder reset as already qualified, and start another shortened qualifier stage to let another 36 players in. This would create some epic games, and take away any advantages gained by inflated MMRs in certain regions. Also It'll bring fresh blood into big tourny play.
Looking at the ladder there are really only about 5-10 players at most who even have a chance to win this tourny, but then there are about 50 players on that second tier that can give us epic games and are still amazing players. If the goal is to make the best tournament for the BW community, I think this is the way to go.
Nobody wants to see the same players playing each other. This will grow the tournaments popularity in every way.
On February 11 2021 02:59 sm_drgreen wrote: Why don't you just expand the tournament to 64 people like the NCAA basketball tournament? Basically combine Pro league and gosu league.
Consider the top 28 when ladder reset as already qualified, and start another shortened qualifier stage to let another 36 players in. This would create some epic games, and take away any advantages gained by inflated MMRs in certain regions. Also It'll bring fresh blood into big tourny play.
Looking at the ladder there are really only about 5-10 players at most who even have a chance to win this tourny, but then there are about 50 players on that second tier that can give us epic games and are still amazing players. If the goal is to make the best tournament for the BW community, I think this is the way to go.
Nobody wants to see the same players playing each other. This will grow the tournaments popularity in every way.
32 would be maybe doable, but 64 is way too insane.
Ya but just find a new format, 1 vs 64 - 2 vs 63 and so on bo3 for the first round will cut it to 32 players right away. You don't have to keep the same long drawn out format with this many people. Also that would create epic games and epic upsets while still rewarding the top players in qualifiers.
On February 11 2021 03:13 sm_drgreen wrote: Ya but just find a new format, 1 vs 64 - 2 vs 63 and so on bo3 for the first round will cut it to 32 players right away. You don't have to keep the same long drawn out format with this many people. Also that would create epic games and epic upsets while still rewarding the top players in qualifiers.
Nah.
Current format much better, maybe except returning to full bo1 ro24, I hate that. But that's purely because of the time crunch, from what I understand. Bit of a shame.. but still much better than massive 64 player tournament. Would take too much time to cast it all. Unrealistic.
It's already all being casted between gosuleague and pro league. The casting time is no different.
Just looking at Players in the 50's and 60's there are some great players like LancerX - who is the probably the only player who can both beat and lose to anyone in the tourny, Artosis who win or lose will be the most entertaining and watched game. Would be great for ratings, entertainment and would take the same amount of work, you're just combining gosuleague and proleague to make sure nobody gets punished for ladder reset and bad timing.
On February 11 2021 03:38 sm_drgreen wrote: It's already all being casted between gosu league and pro league. The casting time is no different.
You can always write to ZZZero or someone from the BSL team and propose this if you think it's such a great idea, you know.
I'm just telling you it's way too unrealistic to ever come true.
I like the 3 tier split anyways, makes for better GosuLeague games if the participants know that top4 gives them the spot in the next ProLeague. The consistency of the BSL format is quite amazing, actually. I love it.
On February 11 2021 03:38 sm_drgreen wrote: It's already all being casted between gosu league and pro league. The casting time is no different.
You can always write to ZZZero or someone from the BSL team and propose this if you think it's such a great idea, you know.
I'm just telling you it's way too unrealistic to ever come true.
I like the 3 tier split anyways, makes for better GosuLeague games if the participants know that top4 gives them the spot in the next ProLeague. The consistency of the BSL format is quite amazing, actually. I love it.
seeing as there could not have been a good solution we have to accept with what we got now.. but I will say that the decisions massively favours players who already played a lot and basically makes it impossible for people who wanted to start grinding the last 4-5 days
Additionally I think people understimate how big the difference is between late (ultra late ladder) and early (ultra early). I am not exaggerating when I say that basically during the first ~1-10 Days 2100 seems similiar to 2300 oder 2400.
Totally different ballpark. I mean personally I dont care because I am so inactive and bad that I dont even have a shot at anything.
I think we need to work with what we got..
It is kinda insane though that out of Dewalt, trutaCz, Tarson, Hawk, dsaqwe, DragOn only 3 will qualify simply due to not having as much games as the others. What imho makes this even more absurd and I obv. dont judge or want to stir things up that e.g. Kwark who says he has little time cause of other duties (child,work ect..) has a much higher amount of games and thus profits massively from it - whilst at the same time having claimed to have less time than others or.. generally speaking little time.
Dont get me wrong. I think the solution is fine and I will enjoy bsl as a viewer tremendously but there definitely are a couple of "feels bad" moments for some folks. Seeing as this could not be avoided I wouldnt blame anyone.
Man. Why cant things just work out as planned. This truly sucks.
On February 11 2021 05:12 MaGic~PhiL wrote: seeing as there could not have been a good solution we have to accept with what we got now.. but I will say that the decisions massively favours players who already played a lot and basically makes it impossible for people who wanted to start grinding the last 4-5 days
Additionally I think people understimate how big the difference is between late (ultra late ladder) and early (ultra early). I am not exaggerating when I say that basically during the first ~1-10 Days 2100 seems similiar to 2300 oder 2400.
Totally different ballpark. I mean personally I dont care because I am so inactive and bad that I dont even have a shot at anything.
I think we need to work with what we got..
It is kinda insane though that out of Dewalt, trutaCz, Tarson, Hawk, dsaqwe, DragOn only 3 will qualify simply due to not having as much games as the others. What imho makes this even more absurd and I obv. dont judge or want to stir things up that e.g. Kwark who says he has little time cause of other duties (child,work ect..) has a much higher amount of games and thus profits massively from it - whilst at the same time having claimed to have less time than others or.. generally speaking little time.
Dont get me wrong. I think the solution is fine and I will enjoy bsl as a viewer tremendously but there definitely are a couple of "feels bad" moments for some folks. Seeing as this could not be avoided I wouldnt blame anyone.
Man. Why cant things just work out as planned. This truly sucks.
Thanks for your feedback. Players like Dewalt, trutaCz, Tarson, Hawk, dsaqwe, DragOn, StRyKeR, are allowed to play in new ladder, where we will have additional 7-9 seeds.
TOP8 - XX players who will have minimum 20 games goes to BSL11 Gosuleague RO32; (Sum of the games with "old season ladder" needs to be min. 30)
What does this mean for gosu league? The Best 8 of the ladder Phase2 who are not qued for pro league get to gosu league? Dont really understand this. What do u mean by sum? There are two serpate ladders for bsl now if i understood it alright.
On February 11 2021 05:12 MaGic~PhiL wrote: seeing as there could not have been a good solution we have to accept with what we got now.. but I will say that the decisions massively favours players who already played a lot and basically makes it impossible for people who wanted to start grinding the last 4-5 days
Additionally I think people understimate how big the difference is between late (ultra late ladder) and early (ultra early). I am not exaggerating when I say that basically during the first ~1-10 Days 2100 seems similiar to 2300 oder 2400.
Totally different ballpark. I mean personally I dont care because I am so inactive and bad that I dont even have a shot at anything.
I think we need to work with what we got..
It is kinda insane though that out of Dewalt, trutaCz, Tarson, Hawk, dsaqwe, DragOn only 3 will qualify simply due to not having as much games as the others. What imho makes this even more absurd and I obv. dont judge or want to stir things up that e.g. Kwark who says he has little time cause of other duties (child,work ect..) has a much higher amount of games and thus profits massively from it - whilst at the same time having claimed to have less time than others or.. generally speaking little time.
Dont get me wrong. I think the solution is fine and I will enjoy bsl as a viewer tremendously but there definitely are a couple of "feels bad" moments for some folks. Seeing as this could not be avoided I wouldnt blame anyone.
Man. Why cant things just work out as planned. This truly sucks.
Thanks for your feedback. Players like Dewalt, trutaCz, Tarson, Hawk, dsaqwe, DragOn, StRyKeR, are allowed to play in new ladder, where we will have additional 7-9 seeds.
What will the format of the 6 player tournament be, btw? round robin bo3?
Anyways, well done BSL team. This was not an easy task, obviously there was no perfect solution here.
We are assuming that TOP7 spots are going to advance to proleague. Then players from TOP8 till XX* - will qualify to gosuleague. XX because It depends how many gosuleague players from old ladder will qualify for proleague and how many spots will be given for proleague [7, 8, 9?].
By sum I mean: If you played 10 games in "old ladder" then you have to play 20 games in "new ladder" If you haven't played in "old ladder" then you have to play 30 games in "new ladder" in order to qualify to gosuleague.
There is new ladder season from today, untill yesterday there was 'old ladder season' - these are "two separate ladders".
What happens if you click update ur account with the same name you had before? Will you lose your rating? (e.g : I click update account play with it starting from 0-0; im 3-2 now and have 5 games. I m not visible on the ladder. I click update again)
Or does the ladder not show names with a "!" in it?
Generally speaking: You update your new account than you play?
On February 12 2021 18:41 MaGic~PhiL wrote: What happens if you click update ur account with the same name you had before? Will you lose your rating? (e.g : I click update account play with it starting from 0-0; im 3-2 now and have 5 games. I m not visible on the ladder. I click update again)
Or does the ladder not show names with a "!" in it?
Generally speaking: You update your new account than you play?
You need to add yourself once, play at least five games and wait half an hour for rankings to update. When you're adding yourself again and again you are deleting your account from the ranking and adding new one (or same one in your case)
Who are we missing ?🕵️🤔 Are you hyped about our current participants ? ⭐️ Who is your favourite to win BSL11 so far ? ⚡️
Who are we missing ?🕵️🤔
Dewalt (the favorite joined Bonyth) EoZerg (Although we already know that you will not participate in this edition, I hope to see you at bsl12) Trutacz Jaeyun Nyoken (I would love to see him in the pro league) Squall (The hope of seeing a Spanish compatriot should not be lost )
On February 20 2021 18:20 M3t4PhYzX wrote: "Blackman" is Julia, that's for sure
idk who "Darus" is at all
"Dzake" = OctZerg
And super interesting to see gypsy actually getting in! But who will be a commentator now if both gypsy and Nyoken play?
gyp and nyoken could commentate every match without them? and everytime they play zzzero and/or other casters jump in?
It would be a shame if they both qualified and couldnt participate due to being the caster team - but i obv dont know what they talked about beforehand with zzzero
On February 20 2021 18:20 M3t4PhYzX wrote: "Blackman" is Julia, that's for sure
idk who "Darus" is at all
"Dzake" = OctZerg
And super interesting to see gypsy actually getting in! But who will be a commentator now if both gypsy and Nyoken play?
gyp and nyoken could commentate every match without them? and everytime they play zzzero and/or other casters jump in?
It would be a shame if they both qualified and couldnt participate due to being the caster team - but i obv dont know what they talked about beforehand with zzzero
Darus = SneazeL, wow awesome! Good to have him back
yeah I guess they can both play and commentate.. Would be good to get someone else to comment when gyp and Nyoken would not be availible, because both observing and commentating at the same time would be really taxing.
Anyways.. can't wait for the tournament to start already!
Honestly this whole ladder has been a shitshow, everyone has multiple accounts, constantly deleting and remaking accounts, etc. When are we finally going to transition away from ladder qualifiers? This isn't even mentioning the blatant mmr inflation of most regions.
On February 21 2021 08:18 9-BiT wrote: Honestly this whole ladder has been a shitshow, everyone has multiple accounts, constantly deleting and remaking accounts, etc. When are we finally going to transition away from ladder qualifiers? This isn't even mentioning the blatant mmr inflation of most regions.
Yeah, well.. it was a bit of a mess I agree, but mainly because of the ladder reset to be honest.
best idea would be to split it between ladder and tournament qualification modes, just imo
get rid of the ladder tournaments and do qualification tournaments in their place (no need for additional time spent)
if 20 players get in next season (4 from last season in ro16 and 4 from gosu in ro24 seeded) then just do it like this - 12 people get in via ladder stage and 8 people get in via tournaments (4 tournaments, top 2 get in, double elim bo3)
but it probably won't ever happen so.. Anyways, who's in? do we have the final list yet?
Sad Artosis didnt make it. He had a good chance before ladder reset. After reset he faced couple pro koreans so was a huge struggle to even get to A rank for him...
On February 21 2021 17:48 DiMiaN wrote: Sad Artosis didnt make it. He had a good chance before ladder reset. After reset he faced couple pro koreans so was a huge struggle to even get to A rank for him...
can still play in the gosuleague I think? that would make sense, too. Since top4 gets the ro24 seed for BSL12
but he probably won't, which is a shame for sure. Would be cool to see him getting smacked by foreigners a bit
On February 21 2021 17:48 DiMiaN wrote: Sad Artosis didnt make it. He had a good chance before ladder reset. After reset he faced couple pro koreans so was a huge struggle to even get to A rank for him...
Ladder reset substantially improved his chances. With no reset the MMR required would have likely gone up to 2350-2400 due to EU inflation, late season inflation, and the sheer number of good players applying. I got 2300 NA and there are plenty of players better than me, 2300 would not have been enough.
The reset reserved 17 slots for players who mass gamed early in the season which left a lot of the strongest players ineligible. Dewalt wasn’t eligible for one of those 17 slots, for example. That brought the MMR requirement down from 2350+ to 2250.
Artosis had a 0% chance of getting in without a reset, he is simply not capable of getting the MMR required in that scenario. But he mass games early season and had a fairly good chance of getting in from the easier path with the reset. He could have potentially had 2250 on that day.
The reset made the path much easier for players like Artosis. 0% chance of qualifying without reset but maybe 10% chance of qualifying with reset. His problem isn’t the reset, it’s that even when given a much easier path to qualify he still couldn’t meet the new lower MMR requirement.
On February 21 2021 17:48 DiMiaN wrote: Sad Artosis didnt make it. He had a good chance before ladder reset. After reset he faced couple pro koreans so was a huge struggle to even get to A rank for him...
Ladder reset substantially improved his chances. With no reset the MMR required would have likely gone up to 2350-2400 due to EU inflation, late season inflation, and the sheer number of good players applying. I got 2300 NA and there are plenty of players better than me, 2300 would not have been enough.
The reset reserved 17 slots for players who mass gamed early in the season which left a lot of the strongest players ineligible. Dewalt wasn’t eligible for one of those 17 slots, for example. That brought the MMR requirement down from 2350+ to 2250.
Artosis had a 0% chance of getting in without a reset, he is simply not capable of getting the MMR required in that scenario. But he mass games early season and had a fairly good chance of getting in from the easier path with the reset. He could have potentially had 2250 on that day.
The reset made the path much easier for players like Artosis. 0% chance of qualifying without reset but maybe 10% chance of qualifying with reset. His problem isn’t the reset, it’s that even when given a much easier path to qualify he still couldn’t meet the new lower MMR requirement.
Chill dude, this level of obsession is supremely offputting.
On February 21 2021 17:48 DiMiaN wrote: Sad Artosis didnt make it. He had a good chance before ladder reset. After reset he faced couple pro koreans so was a huge struggle to even get to A rank for him...
Ladder reset substantially improved his chances. With no reset the MMR required would have likely gone up to 2350-2400 due to EU inflation, late season inflation, and the sheer number of good players applying. I got 2300 NA and there are plenty of players better than me, 2300 would not have been enough.
The reset reserved 17 slots for players who mass gamed early in the season which left a lot of the strongest players ineligible. Dewalt wasn’t eligible for one of those 17 slots, for example. That brought the MMR requirement down from 2350+ to 2250.
Artosis had a 0% chance of getting in without a reset, he is simply not capable of getting the MMR required in that scenario. But he mass games early season and had a fairly good chance of getting in from the easier path with the reset. He could have potentially had 2250 on that day.
The reset made the path much easier for players like Artosis. 0% chance of qualifying without reset but maybe 10% chance of qualifying with reset. His problem isn’t the reset, it’s that even when given a much easier path to qualify he still couldn’t meet the new lower MMR requirement.
you spend a lot of time talking about him, which is funny cause the only reason you made it in is the reset as well.
On February 21 2021 17:48 DiMiaN wrote: Sad Artosis didnt make it. He had a good chance before ladder reset. After reset he faced couple pro koreans so was a huge struggle to even get to A rank for him...
Ladder reset substantially improved his chances. With no reset the MMR required would have likely gone up to 2350-2400 due to EU inflation, late season inflation, and the sheer number of good players applying. I got 2300 NA and there are plenty of players better than me, 2300 would not have been enough.
The reset reserved 17 slots for players who mass gamed early in the season which left a lot of the strongest players ineligible. Dewalt wasn’t eligible for one of those 17 slots, for example. That brought the MMR requirement down from 2350+ to 2250.
Artosis had a 0% chance of getting in without a reset, he is simply not capable of getting the MMR required in that scenario. But he mass games early season and had a fairly good chance of getting in from the easier path with the reset. He could have potentially had 2250 on that day.
The reset made the path much easier for players like Artosis. 0% chance of qualifying without reset but maybe 10% chance of qualifying with reset. His problem isn’t the reset, it’s that even when given a much easier path to qualify he still couldn’t meet the new lower MMR requirement.
Chill dude, this level of obsession is supremely offputting.
This is a difficult comment to respond to, both because of the idea that responding to someone else bringing up Artosis in a space I was already in is obsession and the implicit assumption that I wouldn't want to put you off. I'll address the first by saying that I didn't come here to talk about Artosis, I was already here, someone else brought him up, I was just pointing out the obvious flaw with the idea that Artosis was somehow hurt by a change that let lower skill massgamers into BSL more easily. Regarding the second, if me responding to someone else about Artosis puts you off me then I view that as an absolute good. I don't know where you got the idea that I want you to want to fuck me but rest assured, I don't. This isn't going to happen between us. My tl posting was never intended to turn you on and if it's failing to turn you on I don't have a problem with that.
On February 21 2021 17:48 DiMiaN wrote: Sad Artosis didnt make it. He had a good chance before ladder reset. After reset he faced couple pro koreans so was a huge struggle to even get to A rank for him...
Ladder reset substantially improved his chances. With no reset the MMR required would have likely gone up to 2350-2400 due to EU inflation, late season inflation, and the sheer number of good players applying. I got 2300 NA and there are plenty of players better than me, 2300 would not have been enough.
The reset reserved 17 slots for players who mass gamed early in the season which left a lot of the strongest players ineligible. Dewalt wasn’t eligible for one of those 17 slots, for example. That brought the MMR requirement down from 2350+ to 2250.
Artosis had a 0% chance of getting in without a reset, he is simply not capable of getting the MMR required in that scenario. But he mass games early season and had a fairly good chance of getting in from the easier path with the reset. He could have potentially had 2250 on that day.
The reset made the path much easier for players like Artosis. 0% chance of qualifying without reset but maybe 10% chance of qualifying with reset. His problem isn’t the reset, it’s that even when given a much easier path to qualify he still couldn’t meet the new lower MMR requirement.
you spend a lot of time talking about him, which is funny cause the only reason you made it in is the reset as well.
That's the point. The reset let in bad players who played a lot during the early season like me. I wouldn't have made it in with 2300 either had there not been a reset. Artosis complained about the reset letting in bad players who massgamed without noting that he is exactly the kind of player who could only get in that way. That's why it's funny. We both got lucky but he resented the luck.
On February 21 2021 17:48 DiMiaN wrote: Sad Artosis didnt make it. He had a good chance before ladder reset. After reset he faced couple pro koreans so was a huge struggle to even get to A rank for him...
Ladder reset substantially improved his chances. With no reset the MMR required would have likely gone up to 2350-2400 due to EU inflation, late season inflation, and the sheer number of good players applying. I got 2300 NA and there are plenty of players better than me, 2300 would not have been enough.
The reset reserved 17 slots for players who mass gamed early in the season which left a lot of the strongest players ineligible. Dewalt wasn’t eligible for one of those 17 slots, for example. That brought the MMR requirement down from 2350+ to 2250.
Artosis had a 0% chance of getting in without a reset, he is simply not capable of getting the MMR required in that scenario. But he mass games early season and had a fairly good chance of getting in from the easier path with the reset. He could have potentially had 2250 on that day.
The reset made the path much easier for players like Artosis. 0% chance of qualifying without reset but maybe 10% chance of qualifying with reset. His problem isn’t the reset, it’s that even when given a much easier path to qualify he still couldn’t meet the new lower MMR requirement.
you spend a lot of time talking about him, which is funny cause the only reason you made it in is the reset as well.
That's the point. The reset let in bad players who played a lot during the early season like me. I wouldn't have made it in with 2300 either. Artosis complained about the reset letting in bad players who massgamed without noting that he is exactly the kind of player who could only get in that way. That's why it's funny.
I don't see a single bad player from pre-reset ladder qualification. Even you are not bad, even if you say so. But i agree, that at the start of a new season in Korea is impossible to gain high mmr for Artosis.
On February 21 2021 17:48 DiMiaN wrote: Sad Artosis didnt make it. He had a good chance before ladder reset. After reset he faced couple pro koreans so was a huge struggle to even get to A rank for him...
Ladder reset substantially improved his chances. With no reset the MMR required would have likely gone up to 2350-2400 due to EU inflation, late season inflation, and the sheer number of good players applying. I got 2300 NA and there are plenty of players better than me, 2300 would not have been enough.
The reset reserved 17 slots for players who mass gamed early in the season which left a lot of the strongest players ineligible. Dewalt wasn’t eligible for one of those 17 slots, for example. That brought the MMR requirement down from 2350+ to 2250.
Artosis had a 0% chance of getting in without a reset, he is simply not capable of getting the MMR required in that scenario. But he mass games early season and had a fairly good chance of getting in from the easier path with the reset. He could have potentially had 2250 on that day.
The reset made the path much easier for players like Artosis. 0% chance of qualifying without reset but maybe 10% chance of qualifying with reset. His problem isn’t the reset, it’s that even when given a much easier path to qualify he still couldn’t meet the new lower MMR requirement.
Chill dude, this level of obsession is supremely offputting.
This is a difficult comment to respond to, both because of the idea that responding to someone else bringing up Artosis in a space I was already in is obsession and the implicit assumption that I wouldn't want to put you off. I'll address the first by saying that I didn't come here to talk about Artosis, I was already here, someone else brought him up, I was just pointing out the obvious flaw with the idea that Artosis was somehow hurt by a change that let lower skill massgamers into BSL more easily. Regarding the second, if me responding to someone else about Artosis puts you off me then I view that as an absolute good. I don't know where you got the idea that I want you to want to fuck me but rest assured, I don't. This isn't going to happen between us. My tl posting was never intended to turn you on and if it's failing to turn you on I don't have a problem with that.
can I just say how funny it is to me that you say that the level of obsession is offputting yet you have logs of people talking about kwark as well as his msg(tweet I'm assuming?) in your TL.net signature?
The fact that he went to this much trouble though really does imply that he's upset that I don't want to fuck him. Going through chat logs and taking a bunch of screenshots is stalkery behaviour. Dude, just no.
On February 23 2021 00:06 Comedy wrote: And what does it say about you that you sit there on an alt in artosis twitch chat propping yourself up? Lol....
It’s not a secret ID, it’s an ID I’ve used for bw a lot, and the date stamps show that I say something in like 5% of all his streams.
It says that I sometimes watch his stream and sometimes comment. With a baby I can’t always play bw so I sometimes put bw streams on the tv at night. Sometimes that’s his stream.
Honestly I think the most shocking thing there is that I beat action.
On February 23 2021 00:06 Comedy wrote: And what does it say about you that you sit there on an alt in artosis twitch chat propping yourself up? Lol....
It’s not a secret ID, it’s an ID I’ve used for bw a lot, and the date stamps show that I say something in like 5% of all his streams.
It says that I sometimes watch his stream and sometimes comment. With a baby I can’t always play bw so I sometimes put bw streams on the tv at night. Sometimes that’s his stream.
Honestly I think the most shocking thing there is that I beat action.
can you stop clowning bro, he drone rushed you so yeah of course you won that game. jesus christ
On February 23 2021 00:06 Comedy wrote: And what does it say about you that you sit there on an alt in artosis twitch chat propping yourself up? Lol....
It’s not a secret ID, it’s an ID I’ve used for bw a lot, and the date stamps show that I say something in like 5% of all his streams.
It says that I sometimes watch his stream and sometimes comment. With a baby I can’t always play bw so I sometimes put bw streams on the tv at night. Sometimes that’s his stream.
Honestly I think the most shocking thing there is that I beat action.
can you stop clowning bro, he drone rushed you so yeah of course you won that game. jesus christ
I think I’ll make a YouTube video about how I beat a Korean progamer.
Tough groups but there are no bad players. At least I only need to practice PvZ but it being cross makes shit difficult. There’s also no shame in losing to any player of the quality in BSL, as long as I show good games I’ll be happy.
Kinda ridicolous that "some guys" literally turn a BSL thread into a different topic for one page. Just stop this nonesense. Did kwark get lucky overall? Yes! Is Kwark on Bonyth or Dewalt or Oya level? No! Does he deserve this spot regardless? YES
Does Artosis whine a lot about different things? Yes.
Case closed.
Lets get back to what is important: HYPE for BSL11! Great players, great commentators!
On February 23 2021 05:29 KwarK wrote: Tough groups but there are no bad players. At least I only need to practice PvZ but it being cross makes shit difficult. There’s also no shame in losing to any player of the quality in BSL, as long as I show good games I’ll be happy.
How could you complete this progamer interview without thanking your fans and asking them support you??
I wanted to start by thanking you for your support. We're lucky enough to be in the middle of BSL 11 and planning BSL 12(!), and that is in large part thanks to the support we get from you, our amazing Brood War community.
If you want to see BSL continue long after Season 12, one way you can help (other than supporting us via Patreon.com/Bombastic) is by liking, commenting on, and sharing our YouTube videos. YouTube promotes videos that get engagement, so your participation helps us continue to bring the best of foreign StarCraft to you.
Here I organized BSL11 ProLeague RO16 VODS:
Group A - 🇵🇱Bonyth, 🇵🇱trutaCz, 🇺🇸HawK and 🇳🇴MadiNho 🎬VOD: Group B - 🇸🇪OyA, 🇷🇺g0rynich, 🇺🇸Michael and 🇩🇰Avi-Love 🎬VOD: Group C - 🇵🇱kogeT, 🇨🇦DragOn, 🇵🇪TerrOr & 🇵🇪Dandy 🎬VOD: Group D - 🇷🇺Dewalt, 🇺🇸BoA, 🇬🇧KwarK & 🇷🇺spx 🎬VOD:
EPT
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