Tiny tweaks. Would you be in favor? - Page 8

On December 05 2020 01:48 JonttuTonttu wrote:
Well there is one way to make like half of the currently unused units, spells, upgrades and buildings viable, and that is by basing their buffs around a type of map rarely played competitively, which is island maps, and other gametypes such as Free For All (which has always been my favorite gametype).

When it comes to island maps:

• We have already seen the Medic's Restoration spell used on Sparkle (island map) multiple times to remove Parasite
  
• Scouts (using Speed Upgrade and maybe Sight Range Upgrade) can be viable vs BCs, Science Vessels, Dropships, Carriers, Arbiters, Shuttles, Devourers, Guardians and Overlords
  
• Valkyries are used all the time on island maps
  
• BCs are often used (Yamato is usually used whenever mass BC is)
  
• Devourers are very often used
  
• Guardians might be more usable in some matchups on island maps (hopefully )
  
• Queens are very useful and often used, maybe more than otherwise (including Ensnare and Parasite and maybe Broodlings if there are many Queens and/or many offensive enemy ground units)
  

Other abilities, units etc. can be very useful for example in Free For Alls potentially. For example Infested Terrans in ZvP, if a Zerg that faces both Terran and Protoss opponents manages to infest a Terran Command Center, he could use Infested Terrans, when combined with Dark Swarm, against massed Protoss armies or maybe heavily defended expansions defended by multiple Photon Cannons.

One suggestion I have, which I'm unsure but hopeful about not messing up the balance or metagame of existing non-mirror matchups on regular non-island maps, is to make Goliaths take up twice as much room inside Dropships, Shuttles and Overlords, like most large units. This change would specifically make Goliath drops weaker, and from what I know, Goliath drops aren't central to most competitive 1v1 non-island map non-mirror metagame or strategies. The reason is that from what I've heard one of the major issues with TvP matchups on island maps is that Terran's Goliaths are so strong against Protoss. There could be other reasons but this is at least one.

On December 05 2020 02:25 Jealous wrote:

Unfortunately, unit size is inextricably linked to damage types. For example, Dragoons do explosive damage, meaning they do 100% damage vs. Large units, 75% vs. Medium units, 50% vs Small units. So, by making Goliaths bigger, you are giving a 33% damage boost to Dragoons against them. This would naturally affect Carrier play in regular 1v1s.

This would potentially have an even greater impact on ZvT, as Hydralisks also do explosive damage, meaning that they will do 33% more damage against Goliaths, meaning that Hydra/Muta against mech gets a boost.

So, yea, sadly it's not that simple and can't be adequately corrected by messing with armor or anything like that, either. Even more evidence that even seemingly innocuous changes suggested by people on these forums are often based on a lack of information/perspective Not tryna rub your face in it since you did preface your statement, I just think it's a good example thereof.

On December 05 2020 02:25 Jealous wrote:

Unfortunately, unit size is inextricably linked to damage types. For example, Dragoons do explosive damage, meaning they do 100% damage vs. Large units, 75% vs. Medium units, 50% vs Small units. So, by making Goliaths bigger, you are giving a 33% damage boost to Dragoons against them. This would naturally affect Carrier play in regular 1v1s.

This would potentially have an even greater impact on ZvT, as Hydralisks also do explosive damage, meaning that they will do 33% more damage against Goliaths, meaning that Hydra/Muta against mech gets a boost.

So, yea, sadly it's not that simple and can't be adequately corrected by messing with armor or anything like that, either. Even more evidence that even seemingly innocuous changes suggested by people on these forums are often based on a lack of information/perspective Not tryna rub your face in it since you did preface your statement, I just think it's a good example thereof.

On December 06 2020 04:10 Beelzebub1 wrote:
Yes, but only very very small changes, maybe even giving the scout an extra 0.5 ground range instead of 1.0, and who even knows how to make the Defiler meta, not too important imo but yea VERY small changes and only to the non meta units for sure.