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prosatan
Romania7964 Posts
On December 01 2020 16:35 BLinD-RawR wrote: make hydras do more damage to mutas. make tank splash hit air units. This thing with hydras would change zvz forever ! I like this idea !! | ||
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vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
On December 01 2020 15:59 Jealous wrote: http://www.starcraftai.com/wiki/Chance_to_Hit According to this page, it is all ranged units. Ok, thanks for the information. It still hurts units with slow attack speed and high damage more, however, such as dragoons. | ||
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vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
It doesn't make the mechanics easier, because it's more that the player has to use. It raises the skill ceiling and allows for more exciting, closer to perfect play, but only if the player is good enough to do it. Custom hotkeys were already added. We've already opened that door and it didn't cause any doom. | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium3999 Posts
These are ideas i'd like to test, but not immediately convinced are good ones. | ||
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Garrl
Scotland1972 Posts
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Light-
United States25 Posts
On December 01 2020 20:58 vOdToasT wrote: Add the other F buttons, including F1, as potential bookmarks on the map. It doesn't make the mechanics easier, because it's more that the player has to use. It raises the skill ceiling and allows for more exciting, closer to perfect play, but only if the player is good enough to do it. Custom hotkeys were already added. We've already opened that door and it didn't cause any doom. I remember the outrage this caused for some, lol. Where are those people now? Some are just going to complain no matter what, and if developers want to make changes they need to trust their intuitions and ignore the noise. I think expanding user mechanics is a great idea too, when those mechanics encourage better play and not laziness, like the ability to select idle workers. More F keys is very reasonable, I think more control groups would be nice too. Let players use as many keys on their keyboard as possible! | ||
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ProMeTheus112
France2027 Posts
On December 01 2020 21:52 Garrl wrote: why are people so obsessed with removing mutas from zvz? Actually think about what that would do to the matchup: the only unit you'd see are lings and hydras. Is that any better? You remove the dogfighting and muta vs scourge tension for... pvp minus shuttle/reaver. You'd still get the same low eco games because early lings would still be a thing. wouldnt more hydras being played in zvz result in much more late game development also with defilers and ultras? if mutas were medium they'd probably still be playable while being more counterable by hydras, for example. It would also help P goons vs mutas as well as scouts vs mutas.. all good imo. It would ALSO help goliaths vs mutas. And corsairs actually. Would that make mutas actually too weak, lul. Some change could make the game better no doubt, i think there are some issues and zvz is bad always thought so. Tbh one of the issue also is marine medic too strong vs hydra. There is an issue with hydras, they're kinda only good vs p even though its one of few early options for z. | ||
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BonitiilloO
Dominican Republic614 Posts
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Freakling
Germany1529 Posts
For the Ghost, make lockdown a small AoE spell, but with shorter duration, mote like Maelstrom. Never gonna happen, but maybe some one could make a mod like this. | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium3999 Posts
On December 01 2020 21:52 Garrl wrote: why are people so obsessed with removing mutas from zvz? its not removing, its adding variety TO them. I do love zvz even today, but boy does everyone get exited when any zvz gets to the hive tech! This is like Christmas, really. | ||
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Miragee
8499 Posts
On December 01 2020 22:54 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: its not removing, its adding variety TO them. I do love zvz even today, but boy does everyone get exited when any zvz gets to the hive tech! This is like Christmas, really. This would change very quickly if hive zvz was more common. In reality, hive zvz is not that interesting if you think about it. It's extremly volatile because a single plague can win a game. Both players will mostly turtle for an extended period of time until one pulls the trigger and/or finds an opening. The fact that it is so volatile makes it tense. The intensity in combination with its rarity is the reason people get excited. If hive zvz was common I'm pretty sure people would view it the same way they view pvp. | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium3999 Posts
On December 01 2020 23:58 Miragee wrote: This would change very quickly if hive zvz was more common. In reality, hive zvz is not that interesting if you think about it. It's extremly volatile because a single plague can win a game. Both players will mostly turtle for an extended period of time until one pulls the trigger and/or finds an opening. The fact that it is so volatile makes it tense. The intensity in combination with its rarity is the reason people get excited. If hive zvz was common I'm pretty sure people would view it the same way they view pvp. yeah you might be onto something here indeed. I still think that it would make it more interesting overall if defenders advantage was just slightly increased. But chosing between a bad change/ game-breaking change and no change i choose no change every time. | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On December 01 2020 23:58 Miragee wrote: This would change very quickly if hive zvz was more common. In reality, hive zvz is not that interesting if you think about it. It's extremly volatile because a single plague can win a game. Both players will mostly turtle for an extended period of time until one pulls the trigger and/or finds an opening. The fact that it is so volatile makes it tense. The intensity in combination with its rarity is the reason people get excited. If hive zvz was common I'm pretty sure people would view it the same way they view pvp. Indeed. If hive ZvZ was common, then it's not as special anymore. | ||
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ProMeTheus112
France2027 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25010 Posts
On December 01 2020 20:58 vOdToasT wrote: Add the other F buttons, including F1, as potential bookmarks on the map. It doesn't make the mechanics easier, because it's more that the player has to use. It raises the skill ceiling and allows for more exciting, closer to perfect play, but only if the player is good enough to do it. Custom hotkeys were already added. We've already opened that door and it didn't cause any doom. That would be nice, one I could semi-mirror my SC2 setup which would be easier for me to bounce between the games. Personal preference, my SC2 custom hotkeys are borderline standard with a few tweaks, bar the camera ones where I map them with shift, made F1 one and made the space bar another. It’s handy in SC2, feels so much more crucial to semi-obligatory in BW to use camera locations but they’re a bit more awkward. I’d totally trade more locations and more remapping for using BW default hotkeys! | ||
Chosi
Germany1302 Posts
Zerg get swarm, plague, cracklings, guardians, devourers and ultras on T3. All very powerful options but mainly: options. Protoss gets Carriers, Arbiters (Recall/Stasis), Dark Archons, DWeb: options. Terran's T3 is basically one unit: vessels, which counters Zerg T2 and "soft counters" Zerg T3. It would be nice to just have a few more options on the table, and making the ghost viable could do just that. | ||
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ProMeTheus112
France2027 Posts
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EndingLife
United States1593 Posts
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
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Light-
United States25 Posts
The Ghost is pretty much good for two things: 1) neutralizing mechanical units and 2) doing tons of damage in an area. However the nuke in its current form, as Chosi put it, is really just a single-player novelty. For putting the time and effort in fully fleshing out every bit of your entire technology tree, you unlock the ultimate power - you get super cool nuclear missiles that destroy everything in a single click! If that were improved, it would probably be straight up broken. Every match against Terran would be "beat T before he gets nukes." I think it would have needed to have been radically different in order to be used more. Maybe nukes should have behaved in a way to occupy the same niche as spider mines - getting space and map control for Terran. Mines are good, but they are easy to remove and limited. Nukes should be a small improvement on that - I think it would've been cool if nukes were quicker to strike, though still giving a reasonable enough time for the enemy to move, but did not do any direct damage. Rather, they left like a radioactive field where any non-friendly units would take damage over time, like plague, so they could not ignore the threat and sit there. This would be especially nice in TvT I think to add some dynamism to the otherwise slow and standoffish nature of tank lines. With Lockdown, Terran already has no problem dealing with Protoss mech, between Vessels, Wraiths, Goliaths, Tanks, and Turrets. So I think any change should hardly affect TvP or TvP could be easily imbalanced for T. To me, Lockdown has a "sniper" spell feel to it, like Spawn Broodling, so I think it would've been nice to see that emphasized to really give the Ghost more of that sniper feel he exhibits. Instead of it being the rather short spell it is, the range could've been very long, like 13, and only worked on ground units. So like Broodling, it would've been great for neutralizing seiged tanks, and would likely only affect TvT and allow Terran armies to be more mobile. | ||
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