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On October 15 2020 05:23 TelecoM wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2020 04:29 SchAmToo wrote:On October 15 2020 04:06 [AS]Rattus wrote:had alot of situations were either me or my enemy missclicked a scouting unit so an expansion wasn't harrased or even scouted. i like that part, adds even more to the unreachable skillceiling imo without rly taking away any fun. im not saying i despise everyone who thinks otherwise or that i would boycott the game if they change it or smth ridiculous like that but the opinion in this thread seemed to be pretty one sided so i just wanted to add that not everybody thinks that way. oh and i think that not seeing all expansions all the time on the minimap changes the way you are scouting for expansions in general but thats just a guess. + Show Spoiler +maybe snow would have scouted flashs hidden expansion with transparent fog of war On the subject of maps: Plasma and Ringing Bloom are especially punishing for new players. Plasma Sure, but Ringing Bloom has a pretty simple concept aside from an indoor expansion and an onion at your choke. I guess it is all based on different opinions though.
Indoor expansion is fine, but the choke is super odd. I guess it's not that different from gladiator, but then again Ringing BLoom you can hide tech/sunkens under the cocoons and cause problems. may not be understandable to newer players
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On October 15 2020 05:23 TelecoM wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2020 04:29 SchAmToo wrote:On October 15 2020 04:06 [AS]Rattus wrote:had alot of situations were either me or my enemy missclicked a scouting unit so an expansion wasn't harrased or even scouted. i like that part, adds even more to the unreachable skillceiling imo without rly taking away any fun. im not saying i despise everyone who thinks otherwise or that i would boycott the game if they change it or smth ridiculous like that but the opinion in this thread seemed to be pretty one sided so i just wanted to add that not everybody thinks that way. oh and i think that not seeing all expansions all the time on the minimap changes the way you are scouting for expansions in general but thats just a guess. + Show Spoiler +maybe snow would have scouted flashs hidden expansion with transparent fog of war On the subject of maps: Plasma and Ringing Bloom are especially punishing for new players. Plasma Sure, but Ringing Bloom has a pretty simple concept aside from an indoor expansion and an onion at your choke. I guess it is all based on different opinions though.
Plasma insanity doesn't end with being a semi island, its crazy. Agreed with ringing bloom, but having an indoor expo shouldn't be considered uncomfortable or weird for a new player, imo. I'm guessing understanding how to control your ramp as zerg is more complex, but other than that yeah I agree bloom is fine.
*Sniped by Schamtoo ;d
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On October 10 2020 11:58 ShloobeR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2020 07:13 maybenexttime wrote:
Wouldn't a better solution be to make the fog of war "transparent" like in WC3 or SC2? It's probably the most important reason why newbies are reluctant to try new maps. From the point of view of a spectator and not a player, I much prefer the current system. It lets me see what has been scouted already and what has not. I could also imagine it being a little confusing when it comes to those edge situations where you are on the edge of scouting a proxy. If they wanted some sort of compromise though, where the 'unrevealed map' is just a darker Fog of war (but you can still see terrain), I'd be down
I’m sure they can make it the same as now just for observer mode.
I would LOVE a fog of war everywhere as a permanent feature
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On October 15 2020 13:41 hiro protagonist wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2020 11:58 ShloobeR wrote:On October 10 2020 07:13 maybenexttime wrote:
Wouldn't a better solution be to make the fog of war "transparent" like in WC3 or SC2? It's probably the most important reason why newbies are reluctant to try new maps. From the point of view of a spectator and not a player, I much prefer the current system. It lets me see what has been scouted already and what has not. I could also imagine it being a little confusing when it comes to those edge situations where you are on the edge of scouting a proxy. If they wanted some sort of compromise though, where the 'unrevealed map' is just a darker Fog of war (but you can still see terrain), I'd be down I’m sure they can make it the same as now just for observer mode. I would LOVE a fog of war everywhere as a permanent feature
Problem with observer mode is it only tells you exactly the location on the map that has or has not been scouted, not actually what buildings have been seen.
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On October 10 2020 08:25 ajmbek wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2020 05:31 Shinokuki wrote:
Well it looks like 1 million toss army fought valiantly to keep FS why would they do so? FS is not a protoss map
dude what?
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On October 15 2020 05:40 SchAmToo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2020 05:23 TelecoM wrote:On October 15 2020 04:29 SchAmToo wrote:On October 15 2020 04:06 [AS]Rattus wrote:had alot of situations were either me or my enemy missclicked a scouting unit so an expansion wasn't harrased or even scouted. i like that part, adds even more to the unreachable skillceiling imo without rly taking away any fun. im not saying i despise everyone who thinks otherwise or that i would boycott the game if they change it or smth ridiculous like that but the opinion in this thread seemed to be pretty one sided so i just wanted to add that not everybody thinks that way. oh and i think that not seeing all expansions all the time on the minimap changes the way you are scouting for expansions in general but thats just a guess. + Show Spoiler +maybe snow would have scouted flashs hidden expansion with transparent fog of war On the subject of maps: Plasma and Ringing Bloom are especially punishing for new players. Plasma Sure, but Ringing Bloom has a pretty simple concept aside from an indoor expansion and an onion at your choke. I guess it is all based on different opinions though. Indoor expansion is fine, but the choke is super odd. I guess it's not that different from gladiator, but then again Ringing BLoom you can hide tech/sunkens under the cocoons and cause problems. may not be understandable to newer players
Ok I just experienced this as a new player, can confirm I was totally surprised when the cocoons on Ringing Bloom started destroying my FFE with sunken attacks!
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