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jinjin5000
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1490 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-08-19 02:24:30
August 19 2020 02:03 GMT
#1
After seeing the responses to threads in past few days, I felt there was need to address some common questions and issues.


What was the misunderstanding between you and Snow?

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Snow was under impression that that my channel was set up purely for my own financial gains.

Since he is the one who invested all his time and work to equipment, meal, time, investing into editor and cameraman, in his point of view, it would be very one-sided affair if I were.



Why should I support snow when he warned you!

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You really should support snow fully rather than disliking him. Foreign StarCraft doesn’t really have many benefit for streamers to even glance at, when it would only net 1-2k extra views and subs, not to mention it's an extreme minority of Brood War scene.

Snow has showed great interest in cooperation and supporting the subtitles, which is unprecedented and really has never been seen from other Korean pros.

After resolving initial misunderstanding with him, he showed desire to support my subtitling, offering me to host through official means instead without any restrictions. He didn’t mind the possibility of me setting up Patreon system that goes towards me purely for subtitling his channel as hobby.

The initial decision to stop uploading was purely from me, never from Snow. My initial decision to stop uploading stemmed from my personal promise to stop if my channel ever got noticed by a pro + takedown notice when I first began my YouTube channel.



But Snow doesn’t produce videos for English audience, so he has no right to stop you from uploading for your channel!

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It is his product he invested so much to produce, and his property. I believe that issue here is not relevant to fact that this would not have gotten to you guys without my input. I was stealing his product that he worked to produce without any input from the owner. Language barrier should not play a role here.

As I have, in his view, stolen his property to upload onto my own channel without his permission, it must not have been very pleasant for him to see my uploads on YouTube.



Why did you upload clips from other StarCraft channels without permission?

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To be blunt, foreign interest in Brood War isn't worth Korean pro's attention. For Korean pro's point of view, there isn’t really that much value to expanding their operation towards here, as the benefit doing so is very low. I saw some example from other translator's attempt to contact pros not being fruitful so I started subtitling due to 2 reasons;

1) lack of perceived interest from other pros

2) lack of response through community contribution subtitling.

I have uploaded my subtitles to official videos of pros if they do have option, but it never really got approved, perhaps due to language barrier.



How come you didn’t apply as translator for subbing pro YouTubers?

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I am doing this as just a hobby, rather than a dedicated work. I do not want to be tied down into a routine or commitment. I only translated things that I really want to share with community since I found it interesting and felt that it was a shame that foreign community didn’t get to know these. Uploading to my own channel was an easier and faster route to sharing these rather than go through official means.


Will you be uploading any more StarCraft videos?

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Other than 1-2 videos I have been planning in mind from editing stream clips, I will not be uploading other than some basic (voice-over) tutorial requests from Patreon really. I will be mainly doing snow subs here and there.


Will you be getting paid?

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I haven’t been getting paid before for subbing. Why should it now?

It also does not make any financial sense for Snow to even compensate me. Foreign viewers are vast minority in StarCraft YouTube scene.

Despite those barriers, Snow expressed interest in compensation aspects, but I really do not want to be tied down in sense of obligation



But I liked having subbed content in 1 channel!

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Well, now you get to support the official creators of the work and help them out!

I will also be posting list of my subs on here and my discord (https://discord.gg/XJq5yM7) so you can track what I do submit in a list


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Finally, Snow has posted his announcement for English subs with his YouTube post (with English tl).
Please support and subscribe to him as he has really amazing content.
https://www.youtube.com/post/UgwIjrLnHYyyRogXKnR4AaABCQ

TY & Stats interview on SC2, GSL, Practice, Differences between SC1/2 Part 1
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TY & Stats Interview on SC2 vs BW, Region Lock, Foreign vs Korea Part 2
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Essbee
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada2371 Posts
August 19 2020 02:27 GMT
#2
Always know that your work is very well appreciated. Thank you for everything, and thanks for clarifying the current situation.
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5357 Posts
August 19 2020 06:45 GMT
#3
On August 19 2020 11:27 Essbee wrote:
Always know that your work is very well appreciated. Thank you for everything, and thanks for clarifying the current situation.

Seconded, thanks for all the hard work you put in jinjin
¯\_(シ)_/¯
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10700 Posts
August 19 2020 07:20 GMT
#4
Thanks for clarifying and explaining all of those points, very well detailed. Also, nice sig.
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33586 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-08-19 07:52:22
August 19 2020 07:44 GMT
#5
WELL I guess IP rights are a tricky matter, as both KeSPA and jinjin5000 discovered
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JoinTheRain
Profile Blog Joined September 2018
Bulgaria409 Posts
August 19 2020 08:47 GMT
#6
Such silliness, to quarrel over some subtitles and videos. Titans of humanity with vast importance over the societies have left their life work free for all to use (as they rightly should, I think!) but no, nowadays we have to set contracts and have disputes over for some measly subtitles and a reupload of a few minutes of videos that people are hardly watching. It's astounding but it is the way it is, I guess. People so rarely do actual benefits and look simply for monetary gain.
It's nice that you have settled with Snow and all parties are content now. All your videos were so enlightening to watch, I will mostly miss the subbed tutorials. Anyway, I wish you all the best.
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KobraKay
Profile Joined March 2010
Portugal4269 Posts
August 19 2020 12:10 GMT
#7
Yeah my main take from this is that appart from Snow's content (which is great btw!), we wont get the other translations from Flash, Bisu, etc that we were getting before

That is sad.

Nonetheless, thank you very much for all the hard work you do bringing these videos to us!
CJ Fighting! (--.--)
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26523 Posts
August 19 2020 14:52 GMT
#8
Cheers for the update and the clearup
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RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
August 19 2020 15:53 GMT
#9
Insane how Flash and Rain can take 1-2 workers off from the start (if I follow correctly) and still roll over TY and Stats in BW. I would expect such a disadvantage allow even rusty players to hit some early game timings and snowball to victory.
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JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
August 19 2020 15:54 GMT
#10
I'm glad that has been sorted out, but what does this mean for the future of Eng subs for videos from other progamers besides Snow?
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outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-08-19 18:19:13
August 19 2020 18:18 GMT
#11
On August 19 2020 21:10 KobraKay wrote:
Yeah my main take from this is that appart from Snow's content (which is great btw!), we wont get the other translations from Flash, Bisu, etc that we were getting before

That is sad.

Nonetheless, thank you very much for all the hard work you do bringing these videos to us!


Oh, I never thought about other side of this and now I'm worried. Maybe SnOw can help jinjin to reach out other pros so they will understand that there is a foreign fanbase that treats even one translated VOD as a treasure so they'll give him permission?
sunbeams are never made like me...
jinjin5000
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1490 Posts
August 19 2020 22:24 GMT
#12
On August 20 2020 03:18 outscar wrote:
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On August 19 2020 21:10 KobraKay wrote:
Yeah my main take from this is that appart from Snow's content (which is great btw!), we wont get the other translations from Flash, Bisu, etc that we were getting before

That is sad.

Nonetheless, thank you very much for all the hard work you do bringing these videos to us!


Oh, I never thought about other side of this and now I'm worried. Maybe SnOw can help jinjin to reach out other pros so they will understand that there is a foreign fanbase that treats even one translated VOD as a treasure so they'll give him permission?


Maybe.
But for now, I won't be doing those other than 1-2 videos that are edited instead of ripped.
mmhmm
Profile Joined November 2019
22 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-08-20 00:18:51
August 20 2020 00:18 GMT
#13
On August 20 2020 03:18 outscar wrote:
Maybe SnOw can help jinjin to reach out other pros so they will understand that there is a foreign fanbase that treats even one translated VOD as a treasure so they'll give him permission?


Or Cadenzie. Isn't she pals with Bisu, etc.?
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