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y2kid
92 Posts
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WarSame
Canada1950 Posts
I know Alaska has a big issue with getting their internet services to the rural areas, since they mostly are supplied by a large undersea cable. That is vulnerable to earthquakes and other issues, which has caused occasional widespread outages for them. Northern Canada and some parts of interior US have the same issues. This satellite internet probably won't be that useful for you and me, who expect very low, stable latency, and a low internet price, and are already on DSL/fiber. However, for someone who has a 500kb/s connection at 3s latency for $200 a month these new satellite internet providers are probably very exciting. | ||
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A.Alm
Sweden535 Posts
On June 19 2020 00:28 y2kid wrote: There's a lot to unpack from that statement. You said some correct things but others like the theoretical speed between you and Korea are not so reasonable. I mean sure if there's a vacuum pipe and no other traffic and no middleboxes but that's a lot of assumptions. Rather than picking a pointless argument on the forum I'll happily explain it to people via dm or discord or if there's enough interest even as a separate thread. But let's keep that on point. Yes, thats why i said it is a theoretical example. It is simplified just to show how much routing and traffic slows it down and because this is TL not a thesis. I understand that 24ms is not a realistic travel time because packets have to go through som routers (not 23 though) and queue time will occur at times (though can be decreased drasticly with private networks). You could have sent me a pm instead of posting here if u didnt wanna start a "pointless arguement"... So i will decline your offer, "senpai". Anyways, i used WTFast from swe-usa (similar distance as swe-kor) and got as low as 40ping (compared to 150-200ms). The problem is that everyone in the "game lobby" in scbw needs to have it to lower latency, but its something to look forward to in future gaming when these type of networks become standard. | ||
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Bonyth
Poland598 Posts
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castleeMg
Canada786 Posts
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sM.Zik
Canada2552 Posts
On June 19 2020 04:53 Bonyth wrote: Say Starlink latency is lower than 100 ms, enabling TR24 throughout the world. What happens if only 1 side uses the starlink when it comes to playing P2P game, such as StarCraft? Then it still lag. | ||
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y2kid
92 Posts
On June 19 2020 03:01 A.Alm wrote: Yes, thats why i said it is a theoretical example. It is simplified just to show how much routing and traffic slows it down and because this is TL not a thesis. I understand that 24ms is not a realistic travel time because packets have to go through som routers (not 23 though) and queue time will occur at times (though can be decreased drasticly with private networks). You could have sent me a pm instead of posting here if u didnt wanna start a "pointless arguement"... So i will decline your offer, "senpai". Anyways, i used WTFast from swe-usa (similar distance as swe-kor) and got as low as 40ping (compared to 150-200ms). The problem is that everyone in the "game lobby" in scbw needs to have it to lower latency, but its something to look forward to in future gaming when these type of networks become standard. I apologise if you misunderstood me "gaksei". Just saying what is theoretically possible, without providing the necessary background could mislead a lot of people. I for one perhaps also understood it in the wrong way so sorry for that. And I preferred to do it here rather than PM as I liked to provide the background you skipped. P.s. Comparing latency purely on geographical distance is also inaccurate but I'll not go into that to avoid being the unwanted sensei here. That's it from me on this. Not gonna follow up on the forum about it. | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7498 Posts
On June 19 2020 14:36 y2kid wrote: I apologise if you misunderstood me "gaksei". Just saying what is theoretically possible, without providing the necessary background could mislead a lot of people. I for one perhaps also understood it in the wrong way so sorry for that. And I preferred to do it here rather than PM as I liked to provide the background you skipped. P.s. Comparing latency purely on geographical distance is also inaccurate but I'll not go into that to avoid being the unwanted sensei here. That's it from me on this. Not gonna follow up on the forum about it. He is always like that. Thanks for bringing a grounded presence to the thread. This magic connection to Korea from Sweden .... just nonsense. Every Programer in Europe would love playing on Korean servers ... but instead they move half way around the world to have a good, competitive ping or ... every Korean wouldn't complain about lag playing on Europe but alas, reality. A.Alm - You are always so hostile and blah, it's such a bummer to read a post or thread with you in it. (Ban expected, worth it.) | ||
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iFU.spx
Russian Federation378 Posts
No, it won't lag. | ||
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SchAmToo
United States1141 Posts
On June 18 2020 08:27 srj wrote: But the speed of light through vacuum is faster than light through fibre optic. Yes, but there's this thing between a computer and a satellite known as weather & atmosphere. That will create a lot of data loss (retransmits). Just a reminder, "Ping" is one of barely an aspect of an internet connection. It barely confirms much between two points, let alone the full TCP connection required for two computers to transfer game state. Most likely if this internet connection provides any type of benefit, which it probably won't unless super rural, the banks/finance/tech will buy up all the capacity in an instant. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10708 Posts
On June 19 2020 21:13 AttackZerg wrote: He is always like that. Thanks for bringing a grounded presence to the thread. This magic connection to Korea from Sweden .... just nonsense. Every Programer in Europe would love playing on Korean servers ... but instead they move half way around the world to have a good, competitive ping or ... every Korean wouldn't complain about lag playing on Europe but alas, reality. A.Alm - You are always so hostile and blah, it's such a bummer to read a post or thread with you in it. (Ban expected, worth it.) I don't think what you said is worth a ban or would get you banned at all lol, why would you think that? Martyring will though, if you read thoroughly. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10708 Posts
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srj
Canada134 Posts
On June 20 2020 13:00 GGzerG wrote: I used to do technical work for satellite internet and I think people are forgetting that Satellite internet actually has the worst ping out of any ISP first of all, does the starlink bypass all of this? second of all the connection has to go from the satellite, back down to earth, back up to the satellite, then back down to earth again, so I don't see this really saving multiplayer gaming experiences. The ping was high only because past internet satellites were in geostationary orbit (~35000 km). Starlink satellites are in low Earth orbit (~300 km). | ||
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A.Alm
Sweden535 Posts
On June 19 2020 21:13 AttackZerg wrote: He is always like that. Thanks for bringing a grounded presence to the thread. This magic connection to Korea from Sweden .... just nonsense. Every Programer in Europe would love playing on Korean servers ... but instead they move half way around the world to have a good, competitive ping or ... every Korean wouldn't complain about lag playing on Europe but alas, reality. A.Alm - You are always so hostile and blah, it's such a bummer to read a post or thread with you in it. (Ban expected, worth it.) Haha.. they move to korea because they will have like 5ms ping and because barely any KR BW gamer pay for GPN (as i said above). Just try WFTast (or some other GPN free trial) together with a friend in korea or any place far away and see the difference yourself. | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7498 Posts
On June 20 2020 19:18 A.Alm wrote: Haha.. they move to korea because they will have like 5ms ping and because barely any KR BW gamer pay for GPN (as i said above). Just try WFTast (or some other GPN free trial) together with a friend in korea or any place far away and see the difference yourself. When tournaments have prize pools as large as the starcraft 2 community, if this was a reality option.... then all of our tournaments would have considered renting space on Wans or backbones or dedicated private networks, years ago. Either our organizers are inept or it isn't a feasible solution for transcontinental tournaments. Never said that pings couldn't be improved. I said fairly tales that defy physics aren't real. Laggless RTS from Europe to Korea or California to Korea is just not a thing and it won't be for a while. Whenever there is an option to pay more and get better service and rich people aren't using it. There is a reason. Back on topic, I was thinking about this last night, and I realized, that SpaceX could enable a big playerbase upswing in places like Africa, ME and in central America. With the lower standard of computers and the less than broadband internet, this could create the worlds first demand for an Africa battle.net server or a Latin America server. That is exciting. We could end up with hundreds of millions of newly connected users and possibly ten of thousands of newcomers for our community. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10708 Posts
On June 20 2020 17:22 srj wrote: The ping was high only because past internet satellites were in geostationary orbit (~35000 km). Starlink satellites are in low Earth orbit (~300 km). Oh wow okay I didn't know that, well lets see what happens with this. | ||
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iFU.spx
Russian Federation378 Posts
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LML
Germany1789 Posts
Hardware $499.00 Service $99.00 /mo Shipping & Handling $50.00 Est. Tax $32.94 | ||
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iFU.spx
Russian Federation378 Posts
On February 28 2021 21:16 LML wrote: It's not feasible to play games with it as of now, since there are still disconnects and moments of downtime as the satellite network is still not at its ideal capacity. It's also not exactly cheap if you want to partake in the open beta: Hardware $499.00 Service $99.00 /mo Shipping & Handling $50.00 Est. Tax $32.94 Did you actually test it or just spreading info you read somewhere or heard from someone? | ||
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Dedraterllaerau
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