SpaceX Starlink and SC:R

On June 18 2020 06:33 TT1 wrote:
"Starlink is targeting service in the Northern U.S. and Canada in 2020, rapidly expanding to near global coverage of the populated world by 2021."

Canada's getting it first :o

On June 18 2020 08:27 srj wrote:
But the speed of light through vacuum is faster than light through fibre optic. But I don't know if Starlink is planning to serve as another conduit of trans-oceanic internet traffic to take advantage of this? Latency should be fine, but it won't have the bandwidth to serve hundreds of thousands of customers in dense areas (since they'd all be talking to the same set of satellites). So my guess is it'll be just as good to ladder on as current broadband options, but don't expect it to improve the connection to your opponent.

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2020/03/musk-says-starlink-isnt-for-big-cities-wont-be-huge-threat-to-telcos/

On June 18 2020 08:31 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:
Speed of light restricts us to a ping of about 70ms. Maybe we should ask the Nazis who live in the hollow earth if we can send signals through the core - would give us a ping in the 40ms range.

On June 18 2020 08:31 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:
Speed of light restricts us to a ping of about 70ms. Maybe we should ask the Nazis who live in the hollow earth if we can send signals through the core - would give us a ping in the 40ms range.

On June 18 2020 16:31 GGzerG wrote:
So if I understand this correctly, this is just really high tech satellite internet? I am curious how this would help get to 0ms and no lag world wide gaming, I understand a little but I am not a network engineer

On June 19 2020 00:28 y2kid wrote:
There's a lot to unpack from that statement. You said some correct things but others like the theoretical speed between you and Korea are not so reasonable. I mean sure if there's a vacuum pipe and no other traffic and no middleboxes but that's a lot of assumptions. Rather than picking a pointless argument on the forum I'll happily explain it to people via dm or discord or if there's enough interest even as a separate thread. But let's keep that on point.

On June 19 2020 04:53 Bonyth wrote:
Say Starlink latency is lower than 100 ms, enabling TR24 throughout the world. What happens if only 1 side uses the starlink when it comes to playing P2P game, such as StarCraft?

On June 19 2020 03:01 A.Alm wrote:


Yes, thats why i said it is a theoretical
example. It is simplified just to show how much routing and traffic slows it down and because this is TL not a thesis. I understand that 24ms is not a realistic travel time because packets have to go through som routers (not 23 though) and queue time will occur at times (though can be decreased drasticly with private networks). You could have sent me a pm instead of posting here if u didnt wanna start a "pointless arguement"... So i will decline your offer, "senpai".

Anyways, i used WTFast from swe-usa (similar distance as swe-kor) and got as low as 40ping (compared to 150-200ms). The problem is that everyone in the "game lobby" in scbw needs to have it to lower latency, but its something to look forward to in future gaming when these type of networks become standard.

On June 19 2020 14:36 y2kid wrote:


I apologise if you misunderstood me "gaksei". Just saying what is theoretically possible, without providing the necessary background could mislead a lot of people. I for one perhaps also understood it in the wrong way so sorry for that. And I preferred to do it here rather than PM as I liked to provide the background you skipped.

P.s.
Comparing latency purely on geographical distance is also inaccurate but I'll not go into that to avoid being the unwanted sensei here. That's it from me on this. Not gonna follow up on the forum about it.

On June 19 2020 09:02 sM.Zik wrote:


Then it still lag.

On June 18 2020 08:27 srj wrote:
But the speed of light through vacuum is faster than light through fibre optic.

On June 20 2020 13:00 GGzerG wrote:
I used to do technical work for satellite internet and I think people are forgetting that Satellite internet actually has the worst ping out of any ISP first of all, does the starlink bypass all of this? second of all the connection has to go from the satellite, back down to earth, back up to the satellite, then back down to earth again, so I don't see this really saving multiplayer gaming experiences.

On June 19 2020 21:13 AttackZerg wrote:



He is always like that. Thanks for bringing a grounded presence to the thread.

This magic connection to Korea from Sweden .... just nonsense.
Every Programer in Europe would love playing on Korean servers ... but instead they move half way around the world to have a good, competitive ping or ... every Korean wouldn't complain about lag playing on Europe but alas, reality.


A.Alm - You are always so hostile and blah, it's such a bummer to read a post or thread with you in it.

(Ban expected, worth it.)

On June 20 2020 19:18 A.Alm wrote:


Haha.. they move to korea because they will have like 5ms ping and because barely any KR BW gamer pay for GPN (as i said above). Just try WFTast (or some other GPN free trial) together with a friend in korea or any place far away and see the difference yourself.

On February 28 2021 21:16 LML wrote:
It's not feasible to play games with it as of now, since there are still disconnects and moments of downtime as the satellite network is still not at its ideal capacity. It's also not exactly cheap if you want to partake in the open beta:
Hardware $499.00
Service $99.00 /mo
Shipping & Handling $50.00
Est. Tax $32.94

On June 21 2020 01:25 AttackZerg wrote:


With the lower standard of computers and the less than broadband internet, this could create the worlds first demand for an Africa battle.net server or a Latin America server. That is exciting. We could end up with hundreds of millions of newly connected users and possibly ten of thousands of newcomers for our community.

On March 01 2021 02:33 sntct wrote:
“Speed will double to ~300Mb/s & latency will drop to ~20ms later this year,” Musk said in a tweet on Monday. Musk added that Starlink will reach customers around “most” of the Earth by the end of 2021, and is expecting to have complete global coverage “by next year.” Feb 2021

On March 01 2021 04:49 iFU.spx wrote:


Yes, but 1) latency depends on distance 2) we need a test from someone who has access to starlink.

On November 22 2023 01:33 iFU.spx wrote:
To conclude this topic if anyone still interested

Starlink won't help to improve latency and will be useless in our case. This is the explanation:

"Anything over a large geographic distance will have increased latency regardless of starlink or not. Starlink is connecting you to a ground station near you, at which point it is then routed like a normal terrestrial connection.

In a situation where there are no ground stations, laser links will be used to connect you to the nearest one, and this can add upwards of 50ms latency to the trip.

As the end user, we have no control over the laser links, or ground stations, therefore you would see no benefit to latency travelling half way around the globe.

As for exactly how much latency gets added and if it's playable, I can't really help you with unfortunately.

Your ground station is essentially your home base that will never change unless a new ground station is built. The destination of your traffic has no effect on this.

So basically if you are in Germany and using starlink and starting a game with a guy in South Korea, the signal will go

roughly like this: You (Germany) -> Starlink (space) -> Closest to YOU ground station (probably Germany) -> earth cables -> Opponent (South Korea)

and NOT like this: You (Germany) -> Starlink (space) -> Closest to OPPONENT ground station (probably South Korea) -> Opponent (South Korea)"

GG

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