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Abyssus 1800
Replacement Razor Salmosa? - Page 2
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TelecoM
United States10675 Posts
https://www.amazon.com/Razer-Abyssus-Gaming-Goliathus-Bundle/dp/B0107965ES/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=abyssus&qid=1589176963&sr=8-3 Abyssus 1800 | ||
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Avi-Love
Denmark423 Posts
Basically all the top mice on this list have good sensors, and you can easily see the size / weight to find something suitable. Personally I have been using the CM MM710 for the last year or so, and I just recently bought a razer viper mini -- both absolutely fantastic products with great sensors, low weight and perfect for my grip (claw). | ||
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Trutaacz
Poland101 Posts
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Kertorak
125 Posts
On May 11 2020 17:47 Trutaacz wrote: I advise everyone who never used Logitech Mini Optical/Zowie mico/FK mini(commatech) mouses, to try the newest version of fk mini, which cadenzie has posted. The smallest mouses from the common companies like razer viper mini are not really small compared to FK mini :D I considered this, but atm at least from what I tested shipping cost for me are the same as the mouse itself. I know what you mean, I could also recommend to try a Laptop transportable mini mouse. I think I tested one when being at another persons place, it was like 6 cm x 4 cm (length x width) with battery (smaller than any fkmini3, too), and surprisingly precise in my hands, funny it could beet any "monsters" in handling=precision I suppose. It all depends on hand-size, my hands are not small though but medium. This is all for claw or finger-tip for the mini mouse of course. On May 11 2020 15:03 GGzerG wrote: I'm using the LG203 right now and it has been pretty sturdy. Thanks for the experience review of g203. Nvm:+ Show Spoiler + Can you change the DPI without software? edit: No you can't. PS Thanks for the link/idea. I didn't find such version of the mouse yet. Since I dont need more than 1800 I will consider it. | ||
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KameZerg
Sweden1767 Posts
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Kertorak
125 Posts
------------------------------------------------ (ordered several mouses or tried elsewhere, and had to send some back... so before letting this becoming too abusive...) Does someone have experience with either of these Mice?: Asus Rog Sica Asus Rog Impact (2) fkmini3 -> Question: How well can you use the Middle Wheel (Button 3) as an actual Mouse Button (in Sc that would be "dragging") Thank you PS: fyi image1: impact 2 look: ![[image loading]](https://www.digitalcitizen.life/sites/default/files/gdrive/asus_rog_strix_impact_2/rog_strix_impact_2_6.png) image2: fkmini3 aka lmo-look: ![[image loading]](https://external-preview.redd.it/rq0FNUTWXJRV1pzVJo7vGiC0OFJZH0cFSynKsmFcNVQ.png?auto=webp&s=11caa25adc9f5a8283cfb5200ef654a46bd9daef) image3: example of fingertip style on the salmosa, the grip is extremely good thanks to the rubber surface and enables a very light extreme versatile longlasting ergonomic and personal touching method that is proven in fast rts and moba: | ||
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elKa-ThE-FeArEd
Sweden176 Posts
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Kertorak
125 Posts
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Kertorak
125 Posts
On July 03 2020 18:03 elKa-ThE-FeArEd wrote: i highly recommend Zowie EC2-B, probably the most comfortable i've had you don't give any details, i.e. how close to listed ones, how well is the middle button useable, etc, comfy is relative. all the mice I tried and had to give back so far were " most comfortable i have had" to someone. thus a slight connection to the content was appreciated. because: https://zowie.benq.com/en/product/mouse/ec/ec2-b.html ![[image loading]](https://zowie.benq.com/content/dam/game/en/product/mouse/ec2-b/gallery/ec2-b-05.png) doesn't look like a fingertip mouse at all. the mouse I talk about does only touch the mouse with the fingers the hand rests on the pad, in any situation and movement the palm never touches it. your recommendation is not fitting to the topic. salmosa: (i have also edited the impact 2 and fkmini3 look into the previous question) ![[image loading]](https://news-cdn.softpedia.com/images/fitted/620x348/CeBIT-2008-Hands-On-With-Razer-s-New-Salmosa-Mouse.jpg) anyways thanks for the feedback of how the thread is recieved. so i remade the first post (old is still visible), you can see there for instance how to hold the salmosa or what is possible | ||
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egrimm
Poland1199 Posts
Currently I am using Steelseries Kana v2 pro and it's great - I can easily recommend it  | ||
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followZeRoX
Serbia1449 Posts
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Akio
Finland1838 Posts
Can confirm, the Abyssus v2 has been working wonders for me for years. No complaints. | ||
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Kertorak
125 Posts
On July 06 2020 02:56 egrimm wrote: but you can use it very well as a buttonI've used to have Razer Salmosa and also really liked it. The only issue I had was that scroll rubber got really slippery. Currently I am using Steelseries Kana v2 pro and it's great - I can easily recommend it Thanks, looks great (and one button each side instead of 2 on one looks much better to use), but... no sellers. Which is the original problem of the thread, I the mouses I read in the internet are often not found anymore.. , finally I found one lucky retail, and now can't replace it. So if you found an upgrade. By the way: One day your Kana might not work as well anymore, so you might as well help me with the topic to find a suit mouse that can be bought reliably I am in the process of testing, but I am only one person (currently coming: abyssusBlue used - not helpful for others I know/asus impact2 48,-/RazerViperMini 48,-). Image1: Steelseries Kana, example of a seemingly fitting mouse (fingertip/on-touch) ![[image loading]](https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/31sxJnHXdoL._AC_SX450_.jpg) On July 06 2020 13:44 Akio wrote: Can confirm, the Abyssus v2 has been working wonders for me for years. No complaints. Fair enough, anyways we have to differentiate between "AbyssusBlue" (original,w/e) and V2 as they have quite a different shape and size, so we don't talk about different mice after all. So, topic abyssus v2 is done on previous page. It's a different style of mouse compared to Salmosa/AbyssusBlue. But I think it's very good for some people in RTS/Moba, yet not a fingertip/ontouch one. Thank you for the feedback though. On July 06 2020 04:17 followZeRoX wrote: Logiteh B58 is a beast Thanks. Looked that up. I am 100% sure you are honest, however... where do you think I get that one, and it needs more than 400DPI it's not usable on bigger screens. On May 11 2020 15:03 TelecoM wrote: I'm using the LG203 right now and it has been pretty sturdy. https://www.amazon.com/Razer-Abyssus-Gaming-Goliathus-Bundle/dp/B0107965ES/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=abyssus&qid=1589176963&sr=8-3 Abyssus 1800 By the way thank you. I tried that version, by the way just about that manufactured state of the 1800version: Not good... - Buttons are not nearly as good as on a Salmosa - You can not fully use it as versatile ontouch (fingertip) mouse, because the buttons specifically the left button is not pressable all the way to the top. So that made the mouse not usable. (FYI the newer DPI versions (still original style) seem not to have the problem in the shop, but ofc. the discussed software-only-nogo. ) - Believe my I tried 3 orders!!! (of those purchasable 1800versions) All same flaw. - Ps: Trying to get my hands on a normal good quality abyssus (original style) - - - By the way: Some feedback from me: I tested the Razer Viper Mini now: - generally the Razer Viper Mini is a Palm Mouse, you can recognize it at the form (I tried that quite much) - however if you have medium sized hands or bigger , you can use the Mini as a finger tip mouse (this topic is about a finger tip/on-touch mouse, mind you), relatively well, maybe very well, depends on you. - I personally could use it very well as finger tip mouse thanks to its small size and weight you could move it quite precisely with that unique ergonomical light on touch that you use the Salmosa/AbyssusBlue with (fingertip/ontouch), however you can clearly see the difference to an AbyssusBlue which is clearly clearly designed as a Salmosa-replacement-fingertip-mouse and more and very fitting for that role. BTW: I can generally recommend this style as it is quite versatile and ergonomical - how to hold? see post#1, image 4 -, but requires the correct mouse, as the topic shows. - buttons are extremely smooth (ALL) for clicking - side buttons placement for the style is not optimal, but okay'ish. optimal was 1x button each side if any.. and other position... - might as well point out: the mouse stores your settings, so not a software only mouse unlike abyssus original/essential - I won't put a picture here - as in advertising it alot - because the general style of the mouse is palm, and I don't want to mislead anyone (people probably choose "their size", however I can recommend to try it if you read and consider my text/topic. (and remember it's not really for left handers...) - Edit: From some more testing: THIS MOUSE, yes the VMini, IS STILL TOO FAT! Note I have medium hands (so not small at all), I did extensive testing first: - - Abyssus wth my style - you use the diagonal sides for thumb and ring-finger which makes it quite thin.. - - Then Viper Mini: It feels really fat in comparison... Why even though you have different data? Because of the style: Mini you grap on the left and right SIDES, it really spreads your hands, and that is unnatural = too wide, the abyssus style, or smaller mouses are better (for this topic) - - Please see There are lot of other mice being candidate, this is just a recent mouse that some wondered about, so here is the connection with the topic. Thanks all for reading. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10675 Posts
EDIT : Still waking up, what I meant was I wonder how the Viper Mini is in comparison to the Commatech FK Mini that is ever so popular amongst Korean pro gamers. | ||
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Kertorak
125 Posts
On July 10 2020 02:26 TelecoM wrote: how the Viper Mini is in comparison to the Commatech FK Mini that is ever so popular amongst Korean pro gamers. I can only write you: My hand size is 19cm (from ankle start to middle finger end) which I consider Medium. the result see above review for my style (see post#1, image 4). Thus if you have smaller hands I can not recommend Mini for my style..see above. By the way: Please stick to the fingertip/ontouch style and mouse seek for the sake of this topic ("salmosa replacement"). I can't compare it with fkmini3, however you can find size comparisons-images made by users like yourself in the internet. Also everyone consider Asians' smaller hands... Afterall they don't use this (s. Image 1), neither, do they?! Image 1: Small mouse even for eastern standards, everything is relative. ![[image loading]](https://cdn10.bigcommerce.com/s-yetofv/products/148/images/367/retractable_mouse__82945.1427133988.1280.1280.jpg?c=2) --- edit: Some update, for those interested, perhaps in the taiwanese mouse: Asus Impact 2 (see post#26, image 1) : Here is a review I found about the Sica (which is the Impact 2, just a previous name and technology) FYI, main differences on Impact 2: lighter, better sensor, that's it, and +0.5mm width, I don't think that matters. slight warning: + Show Spoiler + don't consider impact 1 if you read about sica or impact 2, the 1 is fairly trimmed down version.. Quote by "David" from the Internet, his title was "My new Moba Mouse" replacing his Zowie Mico:+ Show Spoiler + I was looking for a light weight mouse to replace my Zowie Mico. So I tried a few different ones, but the Sica hit the spot for me. It is considered a light weight and small mouse, however its size and weight is slightly heavier and bigger than the Mico. But the mouse makes up for that in the grip it offers as the sides are tapered inward. The build quality of this mouse is actually very surprising, and I highly recommend it. Lets start with the buttons. They are detached from the shell, and I've heard of issues with the Asus Gladius having issues with the travel distance on the buttons. This isn't the case with the Sica. The buttons are solid and not loose, and the switches are Omrons. The switches also have the ability to be changed with a simple pull. So if you ever have issues with your Omron switches dying, you can buy new ones to replace them without buying a new mouse. The sensor is a 3310 which is a amazing sensor however, Asus did not add lift off distance adjustments to their software even though the 3310 supports this. So you're stuck with the 3 dvd lift off distance. Its not that much, but it can be annoying at times. The mouse feet are questionable but I've experienced no scratching on the my pad, and also the cable seems a bit stiff, but perhaps it will loosen up in time. The scroll wheel is well built with good tactile bumps. So in the end I am fairly happy with this mouse, but there might be better options out there. If you like the original Razer Abyssus shape you'll love this as its literally the same. The weight is somewhere around 85g I believe [Note by Kertorak: the impact 2 is much leighter]. But there are lighter mice out there, such are the AbyssusV2, Nkey G007, FK2, and the ZA13. I'm sure there are more but, Those are the lightest around that I'm aware of. So really the winner is this shape of this mouse, as well as the build quality. Sensor is good just with minor limitations set by the device software, for the price I say definitely give this little guy a shot. [Note by Kertorak: the impact 2 is slightly more expensive about 50 beans] | ||
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Kertorak
125 Posts
The VM I got: IS STILL TOO FAT! Note I have medium hands (so not small at all, again: 19cm from ankle to midf-end), I did extensive testing, first: - - Abyssus wth my style - you use the diagonal sides for thumb and ring-finger which makes it quite thin in practise, comfortable and fast control!.. - - Then Viper Mini: It feels really fat in comparison... Why even though you have contrary data on paper? Because of the style: Mini you grap on the left and right SIDES, it really spreads your hands, and that is unnatural = too wide, the abyssus style, or smaller mouses are better (for this topic), while the Abyssus you grap on the Diagonals... Other perspective: + Show Spoiler + As mentioned in Post #33 you can still ontouch the Viper-Mini very well (thumb over side buttons) because of the very light weight and small size, however the mouse is clearly not designed for that, so I went with this feedback for now. - - Needless to say (I also tested in Comparison) G5 same result as ViperMini, but it's even "worse" in comparison.. because its back hits the palm sometimes so it's also too big in general, while the VMini has an overall good size, but the said things. OF COURSE as most know the g5 has a different grip (.than a usual Palm Mouse..) and that can suit some people very very well. By the way: Everyone who touches a Salmosa or Abyssus Original (dont confuse with other version) at both Sides, chose the wrong mouse for him/herselfand can't judge that mouse properly. Note Salmosa: + Show Spoiler + The salmosa's ontouch-grip is slightly different again, where only your ring finger is on the side and is very solid there. Further more you tell me why the Salmosa has so uniquely long buttons. Image 1 Abyss Original flexible ontouch grip and width, showing VMini relative big width and grip ![[image loading]](https://imgur.com/kIbCn7I) (temp: please feedback if this image can be seen) After all there is a reason why Abyssus original and essential are liked in RTS and thus relaunched by Razer especially in china To conclude: The VMini, IMO is an Ego-Shooter Mouse, with relative wide size.., but especially because of it's PalmSideGrip and light weight it's suits lifting-style, while that all is not so important in standard RTS.. where other things matter more. Disclaimer, Please note: Mouse-Preference is all personal, in the end you have to test for yourself. I'm not judging any grip here, just stating the proper effects the mouses create from RTS testing and comparing | ||
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egrimm
Poland1199 Posts
On July 10 2020 01:06 Kertorak wrote: but you can use it very well as a button Well I am using one mouse for both gaming and website browsing so not working scroll was really frustrating  Also rubber on Salmosa got pretty worn out after 1,5-2 years (I have sweaty palms) so I decided to change the mouse and I am more than happy with the Kana V2 as for me it is even better mouse than Salmosa. Sturdier (I have it 3+ years now), better click, braided cable etc. Shame steelseries discontinued it  On July 10 2020 01:06 Kertorak wrote: By the way: One day your Kana might not work as well anymore, so you might as well help me with the topic to find a suit mouse that can be bought reliably (...)I refuse to acknowledge that may ever happen! I remember that steelseries also had mouse of similar/same shape - Sensei. However it was pricier than Kana and had features I was not interested with. They have it refreshed and currently on sale: https://steelseries.com/gaming-mice/sensei-ten maybe that would do? | ||
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QuadroX
386 Posts
![[image loading]](https://tehnobzor.ru/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Razer-Abyssus-Essential-12.jpg) Why? Because they are almost exact same shape and was meant to replace Salmosa originally. You can find them still online (ebay, taobao, gmarket, aliexpress). I even see original Salmosa on taobao sometimes. Beware that some older mice (e.g. Razer Abyssus 2009) have weird DPI steps and you can't adjust DPI easily even via drivers. Otherwise they should be good. Can only speak for 2009 version that works to this day. You can google if others have any issues and decide for yourself. | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
https://www.pcgamingrace.com/products/glorious-model-o-minus-matte-black | ||
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Kertorak
125 Posts
On July 12 2020 19:06 QuadroX wrote: If you're looking for Salmosa replacement I would suggest: Razer Abyssus Essential, Razer Abyssus 2009, Razer Jugan. Thanks. This mouse (essential=jugan) has been adressed throughout this thread several times, btw the shape indeed is same as Abyssus Original. Yes I am trying to find an orderable blue abyss, since the green 1800dpi ones had a design flaw, see page2... Anyways, since you are here, perhaps you can tell me what default DPI the essential has (without/before) installing the software. (the max is 7200). ? Please also tell me if you could see my abyssus viper mini comparison image (s post#40, image 1), since I can only view it by clicking view image. ? EDIT Small review Abyssus Blue: + Show Spoiler + Hi, {Edit2: okay this review is about quality, nontheless the Abyss Blue is extremely good for control in any Omnidirectional game, like starcraft, so I use it now} I got your mouse now for 20bucks. Abyss Blue (the one with dpi switch 450,1800,3500) However compared to Salmosa it seems quite worse quality: - the buttons kinda have space before they accept the click, especially on the upper half. Not easy to explain. But when you compare them it's very noticeable. - that is also noticed when you touch the side with your thumb, the whole surface of the buttons moves ... (!?) Salmosa was extremely solid here. - so in the end the clicking quality is worse than any other mouse: salmosa, g203/pro, VM, any. I don't know why they did that. - i.e. The right click feeling will take alot of getting used to... And just now the resistance to click the left button at a certain position near the front was also quite high because of that surface... I don't know why they did that. - course the form and grip is legendary. The abyssuss works well her in terms of grip and control immediatelly when done right. Are those things the same for your mouse? BTW : since I tested the 1800 with 3x products and it had similar properties. That being said the Blue is still much better. The essential seems to have slightly higher quality here overall again, on those points / and FYI better mouse-wheel - I didn't decide to get that - but I tested it elsewhere a bit. On July 12 2020 19:22 raga4ka wrote: I own a Glorious PC Master Race Model O- and I'm really happy with it. Quality seems ok, the mouse and the cord are really lightweight. I've been using it for over a year now and I have no problems with it. Software is also easy to use. I think it's a good mouse for RTS and FPS games, although it's not as small as some of the mice posted above: <link> That's nice, thanks, that's a good suggestion for the thread and people in general. However I read many of exactly these mice suggestions. It would be cool to actually find one that is close to Salmosa/Abyssus in terms of ergonomical ontouch grip and effective width, which is described at the edited post#1 and from post#26 on several times, and which allows to play with low dpi, precision on the minimap for instance, and still be fast over all the screen, for any session length (alot of criteria which I noticed many mice can't solve). | ||
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