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New edited topic, the answers starts from post#26 on.
LFM
- that uses fingertip / ontouch style (see image 1 and 4 for original one and the style),
- middle mouse button easily usable/pressable,
- buttons easily usable anywhere you see the button, yes even up there:
FYI
I edited some review on the second page post#33
- Razer Viper Mini still too wide!
- At some point I will put a list of Mice here (I have accumulated a great list internally, but I wouldn't want to post a simple list without details, so for now I will only put a few updates there)
Edit:
- Abyssus Essential AKA jugan AKA "same shape as Abyssus original" has been adressed in the thread several times.
Image1: mouse in seek, the rubber keys are pressable anywhere very well and give a very good grip despite a very light fingertip-touch (s. image 4):
![[image loading]](https://news-cdn.softpedia.com/images/fitted/620x348/CeBIT-2008-Hands-On-With-Razer-s-New-Salmosa-Mouse.jpg)
similar mouses:
Image2: lmo-shape AKA fkmini3
Image3: Not tested yet, impact 2, AKA Sica
![[image loading]](https://www.digitalcitizen.life/sites/default/files/gdrive/asus_rog_strix_impact_2/rog_strix_impact_2_6.png)
Image4: here is how to hold it:
more edits:
Image 5 Comparison: Abyss Original flexible ontouch grip and width, showing VMini relative big width and grip
Different Design/handling but just as versatile, only 28 bucks.
- Secret I found in the internet: Very good handling-Replacement for Microsoft IntelliMouse Optical
OZONE GAMING OZNEON3K
Image 6 A random approach, a versatile holding grip mouse, btw: buttons left and right!
![[image loading]](https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51iRvasxfNL._AC_SL1500_.jpg)
I personally had very good experience from Ozone gaming from another product, hence I stumbled over this recently.
I summarize the review about the mouse:
- after a very long time, the player found a perfect replacement for the Microsoft Intelli Optical Mouse (from what I heard it was very popular)
- the only bad thing is it needs a software
Quality ++ , solid, non-slippery surface, good durability
Wheel and Buttons +++ , well pressable and good control for scrolling, 2 extra buttons left and right
Driver + , needs software, but it is quite simple
Handling +++ , "perfect".
If you don't find this mouse for purchase, consider this from steelseries, similar shape, but $$: steelseries Sensei Ten
LIST
(I have accumulated a great list internally, but I wouldn't want to post a simple list without details flooding the thread even more, so for now I will only put a few updates here that aren't adressed elsewhere)
- Corsair, Harpoon - grip: sides (unergonomic for long sessions), relative narrow++, constant grip no matter at which length-position++, rubbered all sides++, result: seemed pretty solid and suprising for control got it recommended internally, test duraton: short
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Hi, (RazEr yes i know)
please help:
- This is my go to mouse for starcraft, I tried some other - not so good.
- Either I want to order this mouse, for any price. But I can't find this yet. Should be possible right?! Right!? (you can also link me a shop via pm)
- Or recommend me a good replacement, that is SIMILAR. Not simply a razor product (I read often things that don't fit to this exact question), I don't care the brand, it has to be a quick light mouse that offers what the salmosa does. (Which is really good grip when you play crawl style, at least 2 dpi settings, very light, very good (very easy) clicking behavior with biggg buttons which allow to hold the mouse in any way. Better (if all else fits) would be to set any DPI (or distinct range)
(As you all know starcraft is a very fast game that requires alot alot of very fast and very precise movement everywhere, as well as soft-clicking - many mouses don't fit this role, seemingly being designed for Ego-shooters and Co)
Why is there no official replacement? Then just keep producing that mouse, I don't understand the world.
- I am also fine with the Asian Edition. (Tried both)
- I am also fine with a similar mouse that has less DPI. (1200 is fine).
- I am assuming you know the Salmosa - because it is a very specific mouse type (that I don't meet anywhere) , but FYI it has 800/1800 DPI.
Thank you.
P.s: I am also using a G9- but for very different game types, it has high quality, but it's heavy, and the grip is very wide and big. the holding position is like playing football (it's similar to the deathadder which I tried and that is very bad for starcraft when you reach fast playtstyle), while salmosa is playing soccer. just to give an example
but i see logitech has a very high quality, (better than razor).
- g9 was actually my previous go-to mouse, but the middle mouse button is not practical, but very important in starcraft I think.. The salmosa has a perfect one. But actually it was it's new feel and speed while maintaining precision that convinced me. https://www.reddit.com/r/MouseReview/comments/a4q7up/logitech_g9g9x_weight_minimization_removed_tray/
anyways this is my previous mouse - you could set the DPI to ANY (in distinct steps of 200), mine is theoretically at 1200 (with standard windows speed of 6/11).
- Another advantage Salmosa:
You can hold it ANY way you want. So I can actually scratch my head and the next second do a precision click on my minimap, or on a zergling... Imo it's a big advantage for longer play sessions (you should not have the same position for longer time). Hence I am looking for a SIMILAR mouse.
PPS: Any recommendation welcome, but maybe if you don't have experience with the Salmosa state it or why you recommend your mouse.
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Logitech g203 - one of logitechs best to be honest (be aware that these mice wont last very long, one of the clickers went bad for me after a year or so of usage)
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On May 03 2020 03:17 KameZerg wrote:
Logitech g203 - one of logitechs best to be honest (be aware that these mice wont last very long, one of the clickers went bad for me after a year or so of usage)
Thanks . the dpi is unnecessary. (It's weird to read that Logitech Mice wouldn't last long - that is a must for alot fast clicking  , my Logitech mice has very good quality and still lasts until today.)
- My g9 ONLY doesn't work on the side buttons anymore.
Thanks I am currently looking...
weight: 68 g sounds good. and size and claw-handling looks good.
Do you have any experience with the buttons? Pressing behaviour? Quality? Longlastability?
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Razer Abyssus v2 here !
Very happy with it 
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On May 03 2020 03:37 prosatan wrote:Razer Abyssus v2 here ! Very happy with it
Thanks - Razer Abyssus ... I'm not sure... can you elaborate? can you do my mouse tests? see link in my signature.
from my comparisons:
Hmm, salmosa: 52 grams (excluding cable), abyssus: 109 g sounds a bit more (and comparisons).
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On May 03 2020 03:17 KameZerg wrote:
Logitech g203 - one of logitechs best to be honest (be aware that these mice wont last very long, one of the clickers went bad for me after a year or so of usage)
lol funny that you mention this because both of my g203s have been double clicking randomly on me the past month. I'm getting it fixed though with my new soldering kit and new switches on the way. That said, I still vouch for the mouse. Only like $28+ and it has a warranty.
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On May 03 2020 04:52 Ty2 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2020 03:17 KameZerg wrote:
Logitech g203 - one of logitechs best to be honest (be aware that these mice wont last very long, one of the clickers went bad for me after a year or so of usage) lol funny that you mention this because both of my g203s have been double clicking randomly on me the past month. I'm getting it fixed though with my new soldering kit and new switches on the way. That said, I still vouch for the mouse. Only like $28+ and it has a warranty.
Thank you. I studied it, it has side buttons. I noticed from other mouse tests, that I would accidentally push those in fast play (well I could unbind them - so no the biggest of deals).
I guess my question is rather how do you hold the mouse? I can hold the Salmosa anywhere and anyhow (with claw grip) I want, which is very useful for longer sessions (if I choose to do so). The side buttons simply look misplaced from my claw-experience.
How do you use the soldering kits? I checked my mouse(s) and I don't see a way to replace stuff without breaking them?
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Here's the guide I watched:
www.youtube.com
Pretty basic and not intimidating. I even saw a really rough solder job do the trick. You will have to get a soldering kit, the right switches for your mouse, and, preferably, a desolder pump.
Here's a guide to what switches each mouse uses: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=81743.0
g203 (along with most other popular mice according to the guide above) uses D2FC-F-7N switches.
Admittedly it's a lot of hassle compared to just ordering another mouse online but for me it's a worthy investment.
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Yeah. I will order like 3 of them when corona-situation settles. That shape is godlike. I used to use the LMO back in the day but had to switch since my hand would make it spin out. Never held anything that comfortable, maybe wmo is close but still LMO is the best shape ever for my hands.
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my mouse history includes:
Logitech Mini Optical
Razer Salmosa
Razer Deathadder 2013
Logitech G303 Daedalus Apex
I'm currently using a Logitech G305. Even though it's wireless, there is no latency. The feel took a little getting used to but now it's great for me.
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I use the Roccat Lua.
Simple 3 button light weighted mouse with a quick DPI switch.
Not the best sensor especially by today's standard.
Good built quality... My Razer Krait didn't last that long....
For razer I think they have just realised the Viper Mini series - size wise seems quite close to the Salmosa? This is fairly new so may not have too many reviews yet.
Have also got a Razer Salmosa (Asian edition) but found that it was too small.
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On May 03 2020 03:17 KameZerg wrote:
Logitech g203 - one of logitechs best to be honest (be aware that these mice wont last very long, one of the clickers went bad for me after a year or so of usage)
small correction
Hi, thanks again, where I started.
After more looking into it and also loooking at the other suggestions,
it seems you meant the g pro. The g pro has the better more reliable optical sensor (g pro 3366) (the g203 uses a third party sensor), they look the same and have the same handling afaik, but I found alot of pro gamers use the g pro (instead of the g203).
Anyways, wanted to ask: What's the middle button like? Can you use it well? Do you use it alot? For instanec I prefer dragging over "sweeping" for like curve-macro and micro: siege lines or similar, where as the sweep gives a quick and stable mouse position correction to your screen view, both are good and used, point is dragging is used and important to me...
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On May 03 2020 03:37 prosatan wrote:Razer Abyssus v2 here ! Very happy with it
Abyssus is amazing and designed for RTS.
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I don't know about international shipping at the moment, I am looking for fk mini 3 that's not international, maybe in Korea Town here =P
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did some more searching,
what about: Zowie EC2-B, is this suit for starcraft? I found it in a starcraft reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/8hdqac/what_mouse_do_you_use_for_scr_or_sc2_does_it_have/ via a search engine.
- i just wonder why their gear costs 80 bucks? I don't need anything fancy, just three buttons and ergonomic lightweight clawgrip, the kmini3 looked good for 25 bucks.
- what about this: https://www.corsair.com/ww/en/Categories/Products/Gaming-Mice/FPS-Fast-Action-Mice/HARPOON-RGB-PRO-FPS-MOBA-Gaming-Mouse/p/CH-9301111-AP
lightweight (80g), looks a bit like aby, plugin&play
good price
about 30 bucks
On May 11 2020 10:21 GGzerG wrote:
Abyssus is amazing and designed for RTS.
- i don't find an abyssus that has plug&play anymore (the earliest versions have a mechanical DPI switch, now it's gone, there is no way, and there is no onboard-memory for your dpi setting), so it's a total no-go (default dpi is 7200 and it will only go below that if you install their software, which obviously is a total no-go if you want to use the mouse on one of 100 things I could tell you like using it on a old laptop or a pc that is not yours... (no software installment there, no need to write an article about when I don't even know who reads my messages here), i spend quite some hours with testing and reading this mouse now, and it's out of my choice, no discussion.
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Abyssus is plug and play....if you need you can download the Abyssus user interface to change the settings even further, it isn't that hard to find online, I have used it for quite some time. Also Logitech G203 Prodigy is good too, simple.
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My SCBW gaming mouse history & recommendations (small sized mice):
- Logitech B58 - good(4/5) - outdated 400 dpi. there seems to be a re-brand called RX 250 nowdays with more dpi.
- Logitech Mini Optical - excellent(5/5) - outdated 400 dpi
- Razer Abyssus V1 - mediocre(3/5) - uncomfortable, not as precise, felt too large
- Zowie/Monoprice Mico - excellent(5/5) - impossible to find
- Cooler Master Xornet II - mediocre(3/5) - very comfortable, good size, but felt a bit heavy-ish and not as precise
- Roccat Lua - mediocre(3/5) - felt not as precise and not as comfortable
- Logitech G102/G203 - good(4/5) - using now. comfortable, good weight, good precision, could've been smaller (same size as B58).
As recommended by Cadenzie, will try to get fkmini3 which seems like a modern Logitech Mini Optical. Saw JD using it.
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On May 11 2020 12:23 GGzerG wrote:
Abyssus is plug and play....if you need you can download the Abyssus user interface to change the settings even further, it isn't that hard to find online, I have used it for quite some time. Also Logitech G203 Prodigy is good too, simple.
You mean V2 - which is a big difference (abyssus (v1) -> v2 -> essential (7200 dpi the one i meant)), from what I see. (I investigated on all of them...)
Someone top said, LG G203 wouldn't have good durability.
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I would strongly recommend this website: https://www.rocketjumpninja.com/top-mice
Basically all the top mice on this list have good sensors, and you can easily see the size / weight to find something suitable.
Personally I have been using the CM MM710 for the last year or so, and I just recently bought a razer viper mini -- both absolutely fantastic products with great sensors, low weight and perfect for my grip (claw).
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I advise everyone who never used Logitech Mini Optical/Zowie mico/FK mini(commatech) mouses, to try the newest version of fk mini, which cadenzie has posted. The smallest mouses from the common companies like razer viper mini are not really small compared to FK mini :D
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On May 11 2020 17:47 Trutaacz wrote:
I advise everyone who never used Logitech Mini Optical/Zowie mico/FK mini(commatech) mouses, to try the newest version of fk mini, which cadenzie has posted. The smallest mouses from the common companies like razer viper mini are not really small compared to FK mini :D
I considered this, but atm at least from what I tested shipping cost for me are the same as the mouse itself.
I know what you mean, I could also recommend to try a Laptop transportable mini mouse. I think I tested one when being at another persons place, it was like 6 cm x 4 cm (length x width) with battery (smaller than any fkmini3, too), and surprisingly precise in my hands, funny it could beet any "monsters" in handling=precision I suppose. It all depends on hand-size, my hands are not small though but medium. This is all for claw or finger-tip for the mini mouse of course.
On May 11 2020 15:03 GGzerG wrote:
I'm using the LG203 right now and it has been pretty sturdy.
Thanks for the experience review of g203.
Nvm:+ Show Spoiler +Can you change the DPI without software? edit: No you can't.
PS Thanks for the link/idea. I didn't find such version of the mouse yet. Since I dont need more than 1800 I will consider it.
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Razer mice are super durable, Im thinking about getting one of them myself. My brother used a razer for 4-5 years and all it sustained was the normal type of tear which is some of the color started coming of one of the buttons, other than that it still worked really well, its good value for the money if it keeps for that long.
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(ordered several mouses or tried elsewhere, and had to send some back... so before letting this becoming too abusive...)
Does someone have experience with either of these Mice?:
Asus Rog Sica
Asus Rog Impact (2)
fkmini3
-> Question: How well can you use the Middle Wheel (Button 3) as an actual Mouse Button (in Sc that would be "dragging")
Thank you
PS: fyi
image1: impact 2 look:
image2: fkmini3 aka lmo-look:
image3: example of fingertip style on the salmosa, the grip is extremely good thanks to the rubber surface and enables a very light extreme versatile longlasting ergonomic and personal touching method that is proven in fast rts and moba:
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i highly recommend Zowie EC2-B, probably the most comfortable i've had
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On July 03 2020 18:03 elKa-ThE-FeArEd wrote:
i highly recommend Zowie EC2-B, probably the most comfortable i've had
you don't give any details, i.e. how close to listed ones, how well is the middle button useable, etc, comfy is relative.
all the mice I tried and had to give back so far were " most comfortable i have had" to someone. thus a slight connection to the content was appreciated.
because:
https://zowie.benq.com/en/product/mouse/ec/ec2-b.html
![[image loading]](https://zowie.benq.com/content/dam/game/en/product/mouse/ec2-b/gallery/ec2-b-05.png)
doesn't look like a fingertip mouse at all. the mouse I talk about does only touch the mouse with the fingers the hand rests on the pad, in any situation and movement the palm never touches it. your recommendation is not fitting to the topic.
salmosa: (i have also edited the impact 2 and fkmini3 look into the previous question)
anyways thanks for the feedback of how the thread is recieved. so i remade the first post (old is still visible), you can see there for instance how to hold the salmosa or what is possible
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I've used to have Razer Salmosa and also really liked it. The only issue I had was that scroll rubber got really slippery.
Currently I am using Steelseries Kana v2 pro and it's great - I can easily recommend it
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On May 11 2020 10:21 TelecoM wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2020 03:37 prosatan wrote:Razer Abyssus v2 here ! Very happy with it Abyssus is amazing and designed for RTS.
Can confirm, the Abyssus v2 has been working wonders for me for years. No complaints.
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On July 06 2020 02:56 egrimm wrote:
I've used to have Razer Salmosa and also really liked it. The only issue I had was that scroll rubber got really slippery.
but you can use it very well as a buttonCurrently I am using Steelseries Kana v2 pro and it's great - I can easily recommend it
Thanks, looks great (and one button each side instead of 2 on one looks much better to use),
but... no sellers. Which is the original problem of the thread, I the mouses I read in the internet are often not found anymore.. , finally I found one lucky retail, and now can't replace it. So if you found an upgrade.
By the way: One day your Kana might not work as well anymore, so you might as well help me with the topic to find a suit mouse that can be bought reliably I am in the process of testing, but I am only one person (currently coming: abyssusBlue used - not helpful for others I know/asus impact2 48,-/RazerViperMini 48,-).
Image1: Steelseries Kana, example of a seemingly fitting mouse (fingertip/on-touch)
![[image loading]](https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/31sxJnHXdoL._AC_SX450_.jpg)
On July 06 2020 13:44 Akio wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2020 10:21 TelecoM wrote:On May 03 2020 03:37 prosatan wrote:Razer Abyssus v2 here ! Very happy with it Abyssus is amazing and designed for RTS. Can confirm, the Abyssus v2 has been working wonders for me for years. No complaints.
Fair enough, anyways we have to differentiate between "AbyssusBlue" (original,w/e) and V2 as they have quite a different shape and size, so we don't talk about different mice after all.
So, topic abyssus v2 is done on previous page. It's a different style of mouse compared to Salmosa/AbyssusBlue. But I think it's very good for some people in RTS/Moba, yet not a fingertip/ontouch one. Thank you for the feedback though.
On July 06 2020 04:17 followZeRoX wrote:
Logiteh B58 is a beast
Thanks. Looked that up. I am 100% sure you are honest, however... where do you think I get that one, and it needs more than 400DPI it's not usable on bigger screens.
By the way thank you. I tried that version, by the way just about that manufactured state of the 1800version:
Not good...
- Buttons are not nearly as good as on a Salmosa
- You can not fully use it as versatile ontouch (fingertip) mouse, because the buttons specifically the left button is not pressable all the way to the top. So that made the mouse not usable. (FYI the newer DPI versions (still original style) seem not to have the problem in the shop, but ofc. the discussed software-only-nogo. )
- Believe my I tried 3 orders!!! (of those purchasable 1800versions) All same flaw.
- Ps: Trying to get my hands on a normal good quality abyssus (original style)
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By the way: Some feedback from me: I tested the Razer Viper Mini now:
- generally the Razer Viper Mini is a Palm Mouse, you can recognize it at the form (I tried that quite much)
- however if you have medium sized hands or bigger , you can use the Mini as a finger tip mouse (this topic is about a finger tip/on-touch mouse, mind you), relatively well, maybe very well, depends on you.
- I personally could use it very well as finger tip mouse thanks to its small size and weight you could move it quite precisely with that unique ergonomical light on touch that you use the Salmosa/AbyssusBlue with (fingertip/ontouch), however you can clearly see the difference to an AbyssusBlue which is clearly clearly designed as a Salmosa-replacement-fingertip-mouse and more and very fitting for that role. BTW: I can generally recommend this style as it is quite versatile and ergonomical - how to hold? see post#1, image 4 -, but requires the correct mouse, as the topic shows.
- buttons are extremely smooth (ALL) for clicking
- side buttons placement for the style is not optimal, but okay'ish. optimal was 1x button each side if any.. and other position...
- might as well point out: the mouse stores your settings, so not a software only mouse unlike abyssus original/essential
- I won't put a picture here - as in advertising it alot - because the general style of the mouse is palm, and I don't want to mislead anyone (people probably choose "their size", however I can recommend to try it if you read and consider my text/topic. (and remember it's not really for left handers...)
- Edit: From some more testing: THIS MOUSE, yes the VMini, IS STILL TOO FAT! Note I have medium hands (so not small at all), I did extensive testing first:
- - Abyssus wth my style - you use the diagonal sides for thumb and ring-finger which makes it quite thin..
- - Then Viper Mini: It feels really fat in comparison... Why even though you have different data? Because of the style: Mini you grap on the left and right SIDES, it really spreads your hands, and that is unnatural = too wide, the abyssus style, or smaller mouses are better (for this topic)
- - Please see for a comparison-image
There are lot of other mice being candidate, this is just a recent mouse that some wondered about, so here is the connection with the topic.
Thanks all for reading.
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Thanks for the reviews, I am looking for another mouse myself. I wish there was a way to get the Commatech FKMini 3 in the USA, maybe Korea Town here in SoCal? Wishful thinking lol. How is the Viper mini? I may just go ahead and get it.
EDIT : Still waking up, what I meant was I wonder how the Viper Mini is in comparison to the Commatech FK Mini that is ever so popular amongst Korean pro gamers.
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On July 10 2020 02:26 TelecoM wrote:
how the Viper Mini is in comparison to the Commatech FK Mini that is ever so popular amongst Korean pro gamers.
I can only write you: My hand size is 19cm (from ankle start to middle finger end) which I consider Medium. the result see above review for my style (see post#1, image 4). Thus if you have smaller hands I can not recommend Mini for my style..see above.
By the way: Please stick to the fingertip/ontouch style and mouse seek for the sake of this topic ("salmosa replacement").
I can't compare it with fkmini3, however you can find size comparisons-images made by users like yourself in the internet.
Also everyone consider Asians' smaller hands... Afterall they don't use this (s. Image 1), neither, do they?!
Image 1: Small mouse even for eastern standards, everything is relative.
![[image loading]](https://cdn10.bigcommerce.com/s-yetofv/products/148/images/367/retractable_mouse__82945.1427133988.1280.1280.jpg?c=2)
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Some update, for those interested, perhaps in the taiwanese mouse: Asus Impact 2 (see post#26, image 1) :
Here is a review I found about the Sica (which is the Impact 2, just a previous name and technology)
FYI, main differences on Impact 2: lighter, better sensor, that's it, and +0.5mm width, I don't think that matters.
slight warning: + Show Spoiler +don't consider impact 1 if you read about sica or impact 2, the 1 is fairly trimmed down version..
Quote by "David" from the Internet, his title was "My new Moba Mouse" replacing his Zowie Mico:+ Show Spoiler + I was looking for a light weight mouse to replace my Zowie Mico. So I tried a few different ones, but the Sica hit the spot for me. It is considered a light weight and small mouse, however its size and weight is slightly heavier and bigger than the Mico. But the mouse makes up for that in the grip it offers as the sides are tapered inward. The build quality of this mouse is actually very surprising, and I highly recommend it.
Lets start with the buttons. They are detached from the shell, and I've heard of issues with the Asus Gladius having issues with the travel distance on the buttons. This isn't the case with the Sica. The buttons are solid and not loose, and the switches are Omrons. The switches also have the ability to be changed with a simple pull. So if you ever have issues with your Omron switches dying, you can buy new ones to replace them without buying a new mouse. The sensor is a 3310 which is a amazing sensor however, Asus did not add lift off distance adjustments to their software even though the 3310 supports this. So you're stuck with the 3 dvd lift off distance. Its not that much, but it can be annoying at times. The mouse feet are questionable but I've experienced no scratching on the my pad, and also the cable seems a bit stiff, but perhaps it will loosen up in time. The scroll wheel is well built with good tactile bumps. So in the end I am fairly happy with this mouse, but there might be better options out there. If you like the original Razer Abyssus shape you'll love this as its literally the same. The weight is somewhere around 85g I believe [Note by Kertorak: the impact 2 is much leighter]. But there are lighter mice out there, such are the AbyssusV2, Nkey G007, FK2, and the ZA13. I'm sure there are more but, Those are the lightest around that I'm aware of. So really the winner is this shape of this mouse, as well as the build quality. Sensor is good just with minor limitations set by the device software, for the price I say definitely give this little guy a shot. [Note by Kertorak: the impact 2 is slightly more expensive about 50 beans]
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- Edit: From some more testing about the last mouse Viper Mini:
The VM I got: IS STILL TOO FAT! Note I have medium hands (so not small at all, again: 19cm from ankle to midf-end), I did extensive testing, first:
- - Abyssus wth my style - you use the diagonal sides for thumb and ring-finger which makes it quite thin in practise, comfortable and fast control!..
- - Then Viper Mini: It feels really fat in comparison... Why even though you have contrary data on paper? Because of the style: Mini you grap on the left and right SIDES, it really spreads your hands, and that is unnatural = too wide, the abyssus style, or smaller mouses are better (for this topic), while the Abyssus you grap on the Diagonals...
Other perspective: + Show Spoiler +As mentioned in Post #33 you can still ontouch the Viper-Mini very well (thumb over side buttons) because of the very light weight and small size, however the mouse is clearly not designed for that, so I went with this feedback for now.
- - Needless to say (I also tested in Comparison) G5 same result as ViperMini, but it's even "worse" in comparison.. because its back hits the palm sometimes so it's also too big in general, while the VMini has an overall good size, but the said things. OF COURSE as most know the g5 has a different grip (.than a usual Palm Mouse..) and that can suit some people very very well.
By the way: Everyone who touches a Salmosa or Abyssus Original (dont confuse with other version) at both Sides, chose the wrong mouse for him/herselfand can't judge that mouse properly. Note Salmosa: + Show Spoiler +The salmosa's ontouch-grip is slightly different again, where only your ring finger is on the side and is very solid there. Further more you tell me why the Salmosa has so uniquely long buttons.
Image 1 Abyss Original flexible ontouch grip and width, showing VMini relative big width and grip
(temp: please feedback if this image can be seen)
After all there is a reason why Abyssus original and essential are liked in RTS and thus relaunched by Razer especially in china
To conclude: The VMini, IMO is an Ego-Shooter Mouse, with relative wide size.., but especially because of it's PalmSideGrip and light weight it's suits lifting-style, while that all is not so important in standard RTS.. where other things matter more.
Disclaimer, Please note: Mouse-Preference is all personal, in the end you have to test for yourself. I'm not judging any grip here, just stating the proper effects the mouses create from RTS testing and comparing
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On July 10 2020 01:06 Kertorak wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2020 02:56 egrimm wrote:
I've used to have Razer Salmosa and also really liked it. The only issue I had was that scroll rubber got really slippery.
but you can use it very well as a button
Well I am using one mouse for both gaming and website browsing so not working scroll was really frustrating 
Also rubber on Salmosa got pretty worn out after 1,5-2 years (I have sweaty palms) so I decided to change the mouse and I am more than happy with the Kana V2 as for me it is even better mouse than Salmosa. Sturdier (I have it 3+ years now), better click, braided cable etc. Shame steelseries discontinued it 
On July 10 2020 01:06 Kertorak wrote:By the way: One day your Kana might not work as well anymore, so you might as well help me with the topic to find a suit mouse that can be bought reliably (...)
I refuse to acknowledge that may ever happen!
I remember that steelseries also had mouse of similar/same shape - Sensei. However it was pricier than Kana and had features I was not interested with. They have it refreshed and currently on sale: https://steelseries.com/gaming-mice/sensei-ten maybe that would do?
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If you're looking for Salmosa replacement I would suggest: Razer Abyssus Essential, Razer Abyssus 2009, Razer Jugan.
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Why? Because they are almost exact same shape and was meant to replace Salmosa originally.
You can find them still online (ebay, taobao, gmarket, aliexpress). I even see original Salmosa on taobao sometimes.
Beware that some older mice (e.g. Razer Abyssus 2009) have weird DPI steps and you can't adjust DPI easily even via drivers. Otherwise they should be good. Can only speak for 2009 version that works to this day. You can google if others have any issues and decide for yourself.
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I own a Glorious PC Master Race Model O- and I'm really happy with it. Quality seems ok, the mouse and the cord are really lightweight. I've been using it for over a year now and I have no problems with it. Software is also easy to use. I think it's a good mouse for RTS and FPS games, although it's not as small as some of the mice posted above:
https://www.pcgamingrace.com/products/glorious-model-o-minus-matte-black
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On July 12 2020 19:06 QuadroX wrote:
If you're looking for Salmosa replacement I would suggest: Razer Abyssus Essential, Razer Abyssus 2009, Razer Jugan.
Thanks. This mouse (essential=jugan) has been adressed throughout this thread several times, btw the shape indeed is same as Abyssus Original. Yes I am trying to find an orderable blue abyss, since the green 1800dpi ones had a design flaw, see page2...
Anyways, since you are here, perhaps you can tell me what default DPI the essential has (without/before) installing the software. (the max is 7200). ?
Please also tell me if you could see my abyssus viper mini comparison image (s post#40, image 1), since I can only view it by clicking view image. ?
EDIT Small review Abyssus Blue:
+ Show Spoiler +Hi,
{Edit2: okay this review is about quality, nontheless the Abyss Blue is extremely good for control in any Omnidirectional game, like starcraft, so I use it now}
I got your mouse now for 20bucks. Abyss Blue (the one with dpi switch 450,1800,3500)
However compared to Salmosa it seems quite worse quality:
- the buttons kinda have space before they accept the click, especially on the upper half. Not easy to explain. But when you compare them it's very noticeable.
- that is also noticed when you touch the side with your thumb, the whole surface of the buttons moves ... (!?)
Salmosa was extremely solid here.
- so in the end the clicking quality is worse than any other mouse: salmosa, g203/pro, VM, any. I don't know why they did that.
- i.e. The right click feeling will take alot of getting used to... And just now the resistance to click the left button at a certain position near the front was also quite high because of that surface... I don't know why they did that.
- course the form and grip is legendary. The abyssuss works well her in terms of grip and control immediatelly when done right.
Are those things the same for your mouse? BTW : since I tested the 1800 with 3x products and it had similar properties. That being said the Blue is still much better.
The essential seems to have slightly higher quality here overall again, on those points / and FYI better mouse-wheel - I didn't decide to get that - but I tested it elsewhere a bit.
On July 12 2020 19:22 raga4ka wrote:
I own a Glorious PC Master Race Model O- and I'm really happy with it. Quality seems ok, the mouse and the cord are really lightweight. I've been using it for over a year now and I have no problems with it. Software is also easy to use. I think it's a good mouse for RTS and FPS games, although it's not as small as some of the mice posted above: <link>
That's nice, thanks, that's a good suggestion for the thread and people in general. However I read many of exactly these mice suggestions. It would be cool to actually find one that is close to Salmosa/Abyssus in terms of ergonomical ontouch grip and effective width, which is described at the edited post#1 and from post#26 on several times, and which allows to play with low dpi, precision on the minimap for instance, and still be fast over all the screen, for any session length (alot of criteria which I noticed many mice can't solve).
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Edit:
In this comment I was searching for a working mouse pad(update/fitting to this thread) for Razer Abyssus Blue (and similar "old" mice)
the answer is: Razer Goliathus Speed
original question:
+ Show Spoiler +Please help - I have got the recommended Abyssus Blue now, it's a really good mouse for control and clicking in starcraft! However it doesn't track well with Steel Series mouse pad (L, heavy) that I have 3 times, I recently bought a new one because I thought my old ones were used up (I actually scratched one when washing it)... (but I was wrong the new one doesn't do it, too)): (Black lines = Salmosa, quite good but when the angle is 0 to <40° to the left) (green lines = Abyssus Blue...) (red not important) (there seems to be a problem with the cloth grid) For who actually uses Razer Salmosa, or Razer Abyssus Blue (3600 dpi version), please recommend me which Mouse Pad works 100%. At the moment a thick paper works really well (90%) which is a joke... I sticked it to my table, now - and it's actually working good... but of course it's not as durable as a mouse pad... Which I am ready to purchase again, if I know which one will work... Thank you.
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