Flash says he will choose random - Page 8

On April 21 2020 09:40 BisuDagger wrote:

Tbh, I think Flash would solve early game PvZ given the chance. He just has a much more analytical approach to the game then any protoss player. Bisu doesn't think about how he can safely expand and power up, he thinks about how many different ways can he abuse his opponent to get a big enough edge to take him into the mid game.

On April 21 2020 11:28 evilfatsh1t wrote:
he said he announced his decision and then had a bit of doubt cause he thought it would be too difficult, but since the news was also covered by the asl casters hes definitely going through with it now. only way it wouldnt happen would be if they changed tournament rules or for some reason the backlash from the community was so bad that he would be forced to drop the idea.

also its 100% random rather than picking 1 off race and he wont be specifying the race when the game starts. he doesnt think hell climb very high if he picks p or z so hes actually relying on build order advantages from randoming. he also didnt sugarcoat the fact that randoming terran is obviously his ideal scenario.

thats a pretty gross understatement of bisus understanding of protoss. if you watch any of tbls commentate on their respective races, the knowledge they have is insane. flash has stated that he finds p vs 973 extremely difficult and its very unlikely that hell find a solution before bisu or stork does.

honestly its a shame that most of tl doesnt understand korean. most of the strategy discussion on tl is "start with x build, get y tech, get n expos and macro or push at z timing". the discussions the pros have when they play proleague and watch each other is so detailed and fine tuned its ridiculous. "efficiency" is the main subject line for anything they discuss; their mineral/gas calculations are perfect for specific timings they're looking to hit on the builds they execute, their management of supply is perfect, army management is flawless etc. their theory crafting is on another level.
if you watch jd cast zvz for example its actually ridiculous how deep his knowledge is. hes a fking prophet that can tell you exactly what the cost of a player losing a single zergling at a random point in the game is.
it really puts into perspective how shallow the foreign community's understanding of the game is compared to the pros. i dont think theres a single other game that has such a HUGE skill discrepancy and when you hear their analysis and commentaries you just realise that that gap will never ever get smaller.

also lastly the other pros dont seem to be completely against the idea. some of them rightfully have concerns about build order disadvantages, especially if they meet his terran but for the most part they accept that its going to happen. in my opinion a lot of this is not due to the fact that they think its fair though, its because a wider issue with korean starcraft is that interest is dying and the pros know it. a common topic of discussion between the pros when they discuss starcraft in general is how its a dying scene and they need to do things to keep it alive. this doesnt necessarily mean just more tournaments or games, but the streamers individually have to change things up to create more brand power for themselves so that they can bring the increased interest back into the starcraft community. therefore flash playing random is probably just being accepted as something that the pros will have to accommodate in order to keep the scene alive.

On April 21 2020 11:51 puppykiller wrote:
All i'm saying is if you were a pro and you were going against Flash, would you rather have him pick Terran, or Random. Lets be honest.

On April 21 2020 06:49 Chosi wrote:
Disregarding the fairness point for a second, the purpose of this tournament is mainly entertainment, this is what pays the bills. And even today the least entertaining games are build order wins. It's just not fun watching a game which is already over. I remember one of the final games of Boxer where he 14cc'd into a 9 pool and it was so painful to watch, regardless of who you rooted for. In a game with one player going random (without honourably revealing their race via chat) you will see the non-random player going either a super safe or an all in build - all the variety would be gone. And the R player, being the only one knowing the matchup, would pick the build that is ideal to counter the builds the other player is forced into and exploit his advantage to the maximum. Cases can be made for both it's fair and for it not being fair, but the quality of games would suffer greatly, the experience would suffer, the percentage of games that are won/lost right from the start would be way greater than right now. So I, personally, hope he picks a race or there is any other way than concealing your race. When I watch Starcraft I do so because I can appreciate the SUPER subtle mind games, the precise timing windows, the genius strategies. If you play against random, you don't get any of that, it dull's the game. Not a fan.

On April 21 2020 12:02 ggsimida wrote:


pros who literally play and dissect the game for a living vs armchair dunning kruegers who think hitchhiker is a very exciting sophisticated strategic map (just plug the gap lol how hard is that use your brain!!) and that their 5 min of armchair theorizing makes them able to solve any gameplay conundrum better than the pros could? you don't say.