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We have seen Flash, the youngest player to ever win an OSL match (vs Light in Week 2 of the current Daum OSL), getting a 1-0 head start in the quarters vs Bisu.
He has some pretty impressive results so far with 13-2 stats (86.67%).
+ Show Spoiler [official match list of Flash] +07-06-22 Daum OSL Hitchhiker PBisu Win
07-06-20 ShinHan Proleague R1 Sin Peaks of Baekdu ZoDin Win
07-06-17 ShinHan Proleague R1 Python ZLuxury[GsP] Win
07-06-15 Daum OSL Monty Hall Tiloveoov Win
07-06-10 ShinHan Proleague R1 Python TBoxeR Loss
07-06-10 ShinHan Proleague R1 Tau Cross ZClon Win
07-06-05 ShinHan Proleague R1 Geometry PPuSan Win
07-05-28 ShinHan Proleague R1 Python PPokJu[S.G] Win
07-05-25 Daum OSL Fantasy ZsAviOr Loss
07-05-22 ShinHan Proleague R1 Geometry PRage Win
07-05-18 Daum OSL Hitchhiker TLight Win
07-04-18 ODT2007-1 Longinus 2 Pfree[gm] Win
07-04-18 ODT2007-1 Neo Arkanoid PBisu Win
07-04-13 ODT2007-1 Hitchhiker PTT Win
07-04-13 ODT2007-1 Longinus 2 PTT Win
Personally I am not willing to call him a prodigy, not yet anyway, despite what Reach said about him. I am, however, sure that quite a few would consider him one. So while we wait to see how he ends up doing in his 2nd (and possibly 3rd) quarter final game vs Bisu later this week let us think a bit about what other prodigies we have seen and how they prevailed?
To me the most obvious example seems to be Sea (don't crucify me, Steve ^^). Many believed him to be the next big thing a while ago and while he does have impressive mechanics and game sense and even has won a couple of important games for his team MBCGame HERO he never made it big. In fact he hasn't even reached the semifinals of one single OSL or MSL. A failed prodigy? I don't know, but certainly a player who didn't live up to the expectations.
Who else can you think of?
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The spoiler doesn't work.
Wasn't terato supposed to be pretty good, but got booted for being too lively at nightclubs..?
SEA JUST NEEDS SOME TIME OKAY ;;
edit: wow he's only lost to savior and boxeR? wow amazing
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a majority of the players are young now and days anyways, sea is like 15- or 16 and flash is 15. i'm pretty sure bisu is only like 16 or 17, so its kind of hard to say "prodigy" since alot of the good players are really young anyways. But that being said i havent heard about that 12 year old kid who is like an apprentice to Pantech or whatever, you know what happened to him?
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LOTS of progamers are hyped up (by other pros or by some early results) and don't make a smash hit because of nerves or not enough practice or not enough time yet or some other factor
a short list that i can think of is like...
T: sea, canata (hyped by SKT1), kos (so extremely hyped as best mechanic terran), hery, arguably midas or goodfriend (if only GF had beaten july), savior's terran (lol)
P: pusan or stork maybe (haven't won a big league yet), tester, terato for sure,
Z: rumble?, aqua (or was it magma)?, sigamari (when he was zerglee with SKT1), zergman (amazing online right), yellow[arnc],
then again some people really come through with it like bisu, nada, oov, NALRA, july!
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On June 25 2007 22:16 Pressure wrote:
edit: wow he's only lost to savior and boxeR? wow amazing
my thoughts exactly. bisu and oov were also two notable victories.
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wow thanks for informing me about flash
i never knew this.\
yea he seems to be the next big thing, but hopefully he doesnt fail like sea shield does
and only 15?!?!? years old??? wow T_T
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On June 25 2007 22:18 GoOdJo wrote:
a majority of the players are young now and days anyways, sea is like 15- or 16 and flash is 15. i'm pretty sure bisu is only like 16 or 17, so its kind of hard to say "prodigy" since alot of the good players are really young anyways. But that being said i havent heard about that 12 year old kid who is like an apprentice to Pantech or whatever, you know what happened to him?
i think sea is 18..
and i think bisu is older than 16/17. not too sure though.
taeyang was seen next to nada at the recent pantech vs. samsung proleague match, dunno what he does for pantech though, the story is he trains with NaDa
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Sea is the #1 example of course, Canata as well.
Flash is something else, he is fearless! He can really make it happen.
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On June 25 2007 22:31 VioleTAK wrote:
Sea is the #1 example of course, Canata as well.
Flash is something else, he is fearless! He can really make it happen.
i think the same thing, when he plays he just acts like its normal to beat bisu and stuff lol. I think he will be the next great terran.
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On June 25 2007 22:13 Carnac wrote:
To me the most obvious example seems to be Sea (don't crucify me, Steve ^^).
haha no man i agree with you. Sea at his best is far and away the most impressive terran I've ever seen. He absolutely mystifies me when he's playing to the edge of his ability, but he is outwardly emotional and he has a hard time beating certain players and performing under extreme pressure. Watching him develop and wondering which Sea i'll watch today is what makes him exciting to me, and thats why he's my favourite player. I still thoroughly believe that its just a matter of time, and that when it happens its going to be big. Like, Savior big.
I would say the other 'failed prodigy' is Stork, despite his strong form now. He was lauded as "the next big champion", let alone the next big protoss, and he failed to deliver multiple times before falling from the major leagues, and then falling from the qualifiers over and over.
I'll also point out that so far in Sea's short career, he's been knocked out of OSL/MSL by YellOw[ArnC] back when he was making his ZvT splash, and by GoRush a couple times. And Xellos now, but given those build orders there's not a terran alive that would have won from Sea's position.
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IMO Sea is good, he just cracks under pressure too much. I think a lot of the "failed prodigy" stuff doesn't come from people hyping them up. The hype is probably deserved because I'm willing to bet they perform really well at HQ in practice games and stuff...but just fall apart during televised games. I bet there are some kids in Korea that are really good, but just can't get past recruitment/drafts etc because they just can't perform well under pressure.
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On June 25 2007 22:27 Piano wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2007 22:18 GoOdJo wrote:
a majority of the players are young now and days anyways, sea is like 15- or 16 and flash is 15. i'm pretty sure bisu is only like 16 or 17, so its kind of hard to say "prodigy" since alot of the good players are really young anyways. But that being said i havent heard about that 12 year old kid who is like an apprentice to Pantech or whatever, you know what happened to him? i think sea is 18.. and i think bisu is older than 16/17. not too sure though. taeyang was seen next to nada at the recent pantech vs. samsung proleague match, dunno what he does for pantech though, the story is he trains with NaDa
Sea is 16 right now, Bisu was 17 when he won MSL and probably still is
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On June 25 2007 22:18 GoOdJo wrote:
But that being said i havent heard about that 12 year old kid who is like an apprentice to Pantech or whatever, you know what happened to him?
he just entered middle school.. got his progamer license in elementary
i think its Siz)Sun
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On June 25 2007 22:24 Locked wrote:
LOTS of progamers are hyped up (by other pros or by some early results) and don't make a smash hit because of nerves or not enough practice or not enough time yet or some other factor
a short list that i can think of is like...
T: sea, canata (hyped by SKT1), kos (so extremely hyped as best mechanic terran), hery, arguably midas or goodfriend (if only GF had beaten july), savior's terran (lol)
P: pusan or stork maybe (haven't won a big league yet), tester, terato for sure,
Z: rumble?, aqua (or was it magma)?, sigamari (when he was zerglee with SKT1), zergman (amazing online right), yellow[arnc],
then again some people really come through with it like bisu, nada, oov, NALRA, july!
PuSan and StorK are definatly NOT failed prodigies...
both have a series of results (albiet not firsts) which are quite formidable. And i think both are on the top 30 pros of all time? iirc
Canata is the ultimate example of a failed prodigy, you cant say that about sea who actually has some good results but is continually stopped by gorush...
Heres a nice failed progamer that we all hate; SHINHWA
The bastard kicked boxer out of his last OSL, and then went on to do jack shit  rahh still gets me angry
Aqua (thus far) isnt showing results; but its too soon to say he's a failure (maybe in another 6 months)
Midas and GF are not failed prodigies, they accomplished good results and were favourites in almost all mu's. Midas is just stupid, or unlucky (like when he met the inform pusan, and got crushed by savior). GF is just plain unlucky; despite his 'boring style', he's done very well.
I hate to say it, but Daezang is a failed pro imo, after tearing up the ro16 bloodbath for the spot boxer left in MSL, and showing us a damn good game against savior... he's done absolutely nothing which is really sad because i liked his play!!
dream.t)siva (now retired) is failed after making a splash in that boxer game ages ago,
thats all i can think of atm, but im not thinking very hard... might come back later if i get time
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On June 25 2007 22:18 GoOdJo wrote:
a majority of the players are young now and days anyways, sea is like 15- or 16 and flash is 15. i'm pretty sure bisu is only like 16 or 17, so its kind of hard to say "prodigy" since alot of the good players are really young anyways. But that being said i havent heard about that 12 year old kid who is like an apprentice to Pantech or whatever, you know what happened to him?
Sea[shield] - 17 years old (1990-3-29)
Bisu - 17 years old, going on 18 (1989-11-3)
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I think Light is kind of a failed prodigy.
He was doing well, then I dunno what happend, I haven't seen him as much lately as before.
Light/Hwasin were my favorite new pro's.
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Daezang left for the army didn't he?
I would say Canata's the biggest 'failed' progaming interest. He just shows pathetic results where we should expect a whole lot more. Sea is arguable of course, but at least he seems to go down to stronger players than Canata.
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I'm not sure if Casy is considered one since he won an OSL. He was revered as the Neo-Emperor for his godly micro vs zerg, but I guess his ZvT keeps him from being great, and he hasn't accomplished much as of late. I still remember some memorable games by him though, like that BO5 series versus [NC]...YellOw and that scv rush vs July.
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Like many have said already Canata.
He was though of as the next big T1 Terran and he has not shown the results that we expect of one.
As the next big T1 Terran he would have to follow the footsteps of Boxer, Oov, and even Midas. Two of those names were the most dominant players in their era and Midas was perhaps the only Terran that was shown capable of rivaling sAviOr in his early stages of dominance.
Canata is not weak by any means but he has not shown that he can be called the T1 Terran ace which I just made up right now.
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I'm not really sure if the likes of, say, Casy, Midas, GF can be considered prodigies since all three were around for a couple years before they started making their greatest accomplishments (and are thus fairly "old" by progamer standards). Does it matter how long a progamer has been playing in the big leagues with unspectacular results before actually turning some heads with great play? I think it does, but I'm not sure. That said, I agree with the assessment that Sea is probably a "disappointing" player for someone who is/was considered a prodigy, but of course he still has plenty of time to make a name for himself.
After all, Flash probably just barely got into KTF and then got to where he is now in the OSL.
I guess we'll have to wait for that 12 year old By.Baby (By.Sun?) guy to post some results and see what we get out of that.
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sea is damn amazing, i'd say canata is something of a failed prodigy perhaps
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On June 25 2007 22:40 sonoL wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2007 22:18 GoOdJo wrote:
But that being said i havent heard about that 12 year old kid who is like an apprentice to Pantech or whatever, you know what happened to him? he just entered middle school.. got his progamer license in elementary i think its Siz)Sun
Yeah Siz)Sun, his real name is TaeYang Jun, birth date: 21/01/1994, he won the "Elite-School League" :-)
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
He played this week's Starbrain btw.
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On June 26 2007 00:05 FatRine wrote:
sea is damn amazing, i'd say canata is something of a failed prodigy perhaps
However Canata has been one of the key players this season for SKT1 in proleague. His record is pretty decent. Its hard to call him a failed prodigy when no one had seen him much in televised matches until about a year ago. Though i guess its down to how one interprets failed and prodigy.
Sea totally doesnt count to me, the dude is still qualifying for leagues and has one of the biggest pl records and is tied for most wins. Maybe he didnt end up storming OSL and MSL but so few ever have, with so many pl games being played i think its only a matter of time before a good pl record carries as much weight as a top 8/4 finish in osl/msl.
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On June 25 2007 22:40 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2007 22:27 Piano wrote:On June 25 2007 22:18 GoOdJo wrote:
a majority of the players are young now and days anyways, sea is like 15- or 16 and flash is 15. i'm pretty sure bisu is only like 16 or 17, so its kind of hard to say "prodigy" since alot of the good players are really young anyways. But that being said i havent heard about that 12 year old kid who is like an apprentice to Pantech or whatever, you know what happened to him? i think sea is 18.. and i think bisu is older than 16/17. not too sure though. taeyang was seen next to nada at the recent pantech vs. samsung proleague match, dunno what he does for pantech though, the story is he trains with NaDa Sea is 16 right now, Bisu was 17 when he won MSL and probably still is
oops, thanks for the correction ^^
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nobody is going to mention Draco? he was thought to be a foreigner prodigy, i guess thats getting to group stages?
the whole tl community was behind him until rekrul ragged on him and he gave up and went over to china
btw while pusan and stork have had troubles in individual leagues, both are gods of proleague
pusan just needs a nice island map like 815 to nock some more sense into him
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Wait until I come to Korea when StarCraft II comes out :D
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On June 25 2007 23:02 HaXxorIzed wrote:
Daezang left for the army didn't he?.
Ahhh please tell me its not true!! T.T
If he is, is he going to join Ace? when did he go?
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Anyway, not really prodigies, but I'd like to name a few sorta's.
Junior (Na Gyung Bo) from SouL. He was IMO the original ZvT killer (Junwi was the 2nd). He managed to knock Boxer out of the NATE OSL. Too bad he was in some contract disputes and dissapeared from the pro scene (rumoured he was going to SKT after he left Soul).
ArtOfTerran (Kim Dong Jin) who used to be in Hexatron (now eSTRO), I'm sure someone expert in Daniel Lee's teams like Leg or Rek can fill me in, he was Hexatron's star Terran player. He had a pretty wicked TvZ, and infact he made it to one of the early MSL's if my memory serves me correctly. Unfortunately he couldn't develop his other match-ups and thus lagged behind and dissapeared quickly .
Max (Shin Jung Min) was said up to be the next big Zerg, qualifying in 2 OSL's. Having good training partners in KOR (OGN Sparkyz now), he managed to make these OSL's. Unfortunately, he never made it past the group stages, and I suppose KOR lost faith in his talent, so they shipped him off to Hanbit. Now he's the best Teamplay player currently in this season's proleague currently going on.
As much as I don't want to say this, Silent_Control (Na Do Hyun) was a great Terran player, despite critics criticising (thats what they do, right?) him that he cheesed his way to the semi finals of the NHN Starleague, eventually getting beaten by Jeon Tae Kyu-chicken (Zeus). He did though managed to own JJu in superb fashion in the 3/4 place matches. Next Starleague (Gilette), he also made the Semi-Finals, and out of luck, lost to Mantoss (though it was kind of unlucky, seeing that zealot bomb, OMG). He did though, prove his critics wrong by going through this starleague with no cheese or minimum cheese at all. After that, he just drowned down to be a washed up progamer.
That's all I can think of atm :>
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On June 26 2007 00:07 VioleTAK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2007 22:40 sonoL wrote:On June 25 2007 22:18 GoOdJo wrote:
But that being said i havent heard about that 12 year old kid who is like an apprentice to Pantech or whatever, you know what happened to him? he just entered middle school.. got his progamer license in elementary i think its Siz)Sun Yeah Siz)Sun, his real name is TaeYang Jun, birth date: 21/01/1994, he won the "Elite-School League" :-)
Yes, but seeing his play in the Star Brain games, I think I nearly cried seeing how terrible he played.
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On June 26 2007 00:54 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2007 23:02 HaXxorIzed wrote:
Daezang left for the army didn't he?. Ahhh please tell me its not true!! T.T If he is, is he going to join Ace? when did he go?
Daezang will be joining Airforce Ace, along with Oversky.
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Junwi... Now there is a failed Prodigy.
T.T.
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Canata is the prime example here. 2 SL apperances in 3-4 years simply doesnt cut it. His PL record has been good yes, but not amazing(his 2v2 play with Rumble was close though).
Fofy[gm] was the player I thought about in my post about mind-control being used in progames. Rock killed him with tanks & arbiters on Luna in a game that lasted more than an hour. Anyway fofy was touted as a new prodigy, but he never reached a SL.
Sea however is the only terran except OOv in his earlier days that makes me go "holy shit he's so fucking good" when I see him play. Imo he's one of the best players and even though he hasnt reached semis in the SLs he has carried mbc in proleague. Give him more than a year before you call him "failed".
Doesnt handle pressure ? M&M Scvs against Boxer in the round 2 PL finals on 815 ? Winning the final decider in the PL grand final against GoRush ? Along with countless other ace matches.
Not only his mechanics are terrific, but his sense is also magnificent.
About Flash though. What excites me with Flash apart from his similar mechanics isnt his game sense, but his timing. As for comparing Sea to Oov(amazing macroers&good sense) and Flash to Nada Ive had the thought several times, and the way Flash now burst into the scene with a terrific timingµ/macro oriented TvP does indeed remind me of the first sight of Nada back in 2002.
However there is a long way to go for both Sea and Flash to justify it ( look at Casy for example who turned out to be a Neo-Sync instead of a Neo Emperor  ). If I were to pick two youngsters who look the most like the two of the three terran legends Id pick these two though.
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casy/really[alive]/ioi[alive]/whatever he's called now. when he arrived as a high schooler on the by-then macro focused scene, people were hailing his low econ, micro intensive play. everyone knows about the comparisons to boxer, and the neo-emperor nickname. however, as has been said before, casy has twice the strengths of boxer and thrice his weaknesses. boxer's tvp may be his weak point, but for casy it is a CRIPPLING flaw. in fact, from the ro16 in shinhan 1 onwards (getting there was a very rocky road for him), he faced 3 zergs (yellow, zergman, chojja), 1 terran (cloud), 0 tosses.
he shows sparks of brilliance once in a while, (that fake expo move in shinhan 3 vs july we've all come to love) but his tvp (oh, those har har casy tvp autovote liquibet jokes), and his somewhat inconsistent form will keep him from living up to that initial hype.
edit: as for canata, i'd like to wait a bit longer before passing judgement. t1 has churned out oov, and midas with boxer at its helm, that may explain the overrated hype over canata's abilities. he performs quite well in the proleague when his teammates are around him, but he seems to have suspect nerves in starleagues. perhaps with time and experience, he might be able to play to his supposed full potential.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On June 25 2007 22:49 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2007 22:24 Locked wrote:
LOTS of progamers are hyped up (by other pros or by some early results) and don't make a smash hit because of nerves or not enough practice or not enough time yet or some other factor
a short list that i can think of is like...
T: sea, canata (hyped by SKT1), kos (so extremely hyped as best mechanic terran), hery, arguably midas or goodfriend (if only GF had beaten july), savior's terran (lol)
P: pusan or stork maybe (haven't won a big league yet), tester, terato for sure,
Z: rumble?, aqua (or was it magma)?, sigamari (when he was zerglee with SKT1), zergman (amazing online right), yellow[arnc],
then again some people really come through with it like bisu, nada, oov, NALRA, july!
PuSan and StorK are definatly NOT failed prodigies... both have a series of results (albiet not firsts) which are quite formidable. And i think both are on the top 30 pros of all time? iirc
ok first of all Stork has NEVER capitalized his ID like that so what the fuck are you doing there
second, if you think stork doesn't qualify as a 'failed prodigy' then you really havent followed his career. he's doing all right now but half a year ago he was the best example of this
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On June 26 2007 00:56 GTR-2-Go wrote:
Anyway, not really prodigies, but I'd like to name a few sorta's.
Junior (Na Gyung Bo) from SouL. He was IMO the original ZvT killer (Junwi was the 2nd). He managed to knock Boxer out of the NATE OSL. Too bad he was in some contract disputes and dissapeared from the pro scene (rumoured he was going to SKT after he left Soul).
ArtOfTerran (Kim Dong Jin) who used to be in Hexatron (now eSTRO), I'm sure someone expert in Daniel Lee's teams like Leg or Rek can fill me in, he was Hexatron's star Terran player. He had a pretty wicked TvZ, and infact he made it to one of the early MSL's if my memory serves me correctly. Unfortunately he couldn't develop his other match-ups and thus lagged behind and dissapeared quickly .
Max (Shin Jung Min) was said up to be the next big Zerg, qualifying in 2 OSL's. Having good training partners in KOR (OGN Sparkyz now), he managed to make these OSL's. Unfortunately, he never made it past the group stages, and I suppose KOR lost faith in his talent, so they shipped him off to Hanbit. Now he's the best Teamplay player currently in this season's proleague currently going on.
As much as I don't want to say this, Silent_Control (Na Do Hyun) was a great Terran player, despite critics criticising (thats what they do, right?) him that he cheesed his way to the semi finals of the NHN Starleague, eventually getting beaten by Jeon Tae Kyu-chicken (Zeus). He did though managed to own JJu in superb fashion in the 3/4 place matches. Next Starleague (Gilette), he also made the Semi-Finals, and out of luck, lost to Mantoss (though it was kind of unlucky, seeing that zealot bomb, OMG). He did though, prove his critics wrong by going through this starleague with no cheese or minimum cheese at all. After that, he just drowned down to be a washed up progamer.
That's all I can think of atm :>
Hmm.... Junior was a little nuts. Hard to classify cuz I don't remember him as well as I should.
ArtOfTerran yeah you hit the nail on the head there.
Max was always a third-rate zerg, he bumbled around in ODT and shit for a long time before making OSL, and he never got anywhere.
Silent_Control was fucking insane in Gillette OSL. He went 5 super close games with Reach, who had the best PvT at the time, and then went 5 super close games with iloveoov, the best player on earth at the time. He was really never the same player after those two series.. the faint against GoRush in the round of 8, then two super close matches against incredibly strong opponents.. it just seemed to wreck the guy.
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On June 26 2007 00:38 oshibori_probe wrote:
nobody is going to mention Draco? he was thought to be a foreigner prodigy, i guess thats getting to group stages?
the whole tl community was behind him until rekrul ragged on him and he gave up and went over to china
btw while pusan and stork have had troubles in individual leagues, both are gods of proleague
pusan just needs a nice island map like 815 to nock some more sense into him
no one gave Draco a snowball's chance in hell of winning an OSL or anything remotely comparable, come on now
it was even debatable that he was the best foreigner when he went over there
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On June 26 2007 01:28 Guybrush wrote:
Fofy[gm] was the player I thought about in my post about mind-control being used in progames. Rock killed him with tanks & arbiters on Luna in a game that lasted more than an hour. Anyway fofy was touted as a new prodigy, but he never reached a SL.
I remember fOfy during the PmanG Proleague while he was playing for Hanbit. He was 16 at the time I think, and had practice partners of the like of Reach, Sync etc. After that Proleague though, his career just fell down the drain.
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On June 26 2007 03:07 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2007 00:38 oshibori_probe wrote:
nobody is going to mention Draco? he was thought to be a foreigner prodigy, i guess thats getting to group stages?
the whole tl community was behind him until rekrul ragged on him and he gave up and went over to china
btw while pusan and stork have had troubles in individual leagues, both are gods of proleague
pusan just needs a nice island map like 815 to nock some more sense into him no one gave Draco a snowball's chance in hell of winning an OSL or anything remotely comparable, come on now it was even debatable that he was the best foreigner when he went over there
i was reffering to getting some lucky few games in a row and making it to GROUPS, not winning anything, but making it to GROUPS
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btw wtf fakesteve, you are flaming everyone
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well, pro sc gaming has a lot of ups and downs for all players. to be called a failure, you pretty much gotta to never make it to a league or something.
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Canata, Terato, Junwi.
Junwi disappoints me the most. He showed so much promise and was so close to winning an OSL and then just dropped off the map.
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Even Bobby Fischer lost matches on occasion when he was younger and played professionals.
But he also took home some titles.
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On June 26 2007 06:53 Sadist wrote:
crystal[inca] and ogogo \
Crystal was never a top player I thought?
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On June 26 2007 07:00 DeadVessel wrote:\ Crystal was never a top player I thought?
made it into 2 or 3 consecutive starleagues by whipping ass inthe qualifying tournaments but went like 0-3 twice or 3 times
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Any one remember ShinyA and Heaveon[3D.O.M] or something similar! [KoR]The_Red_Rock too!
All those 3 players were amazing online, but when it came to offline, they sucked.
At one time, ShinyA had the best PVT, he was a monster.
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Sweden33719 Posts
On June 25 2007 22:40 sonoL wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2007 22:18 GoOdJo wrote:
But that being said i havent heard about that 12 year old kid who is like an apprentice to Pantech or whatever, you know what happened to him? he just entered middle school.. got his progamer license in elementary i think its Siz)Sun
He's by.baby now
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On June 26 2007 07:03 Sadist wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2007 07:00 DeadVessel wrote:On June 26 2007 06:53 Sadist wrote:
crystal[inca] and ogogo \ Crystal was never a top player I thought? made it into 2 or 3 consecutive starleagues by whipping ass inthe qualifying tournaments but went like 0-3 twice or 3 times
for a while there was a lot of replays coming out for him in JoPD- and Barbara but then he disappeared (he's By.Crystal now I think?)
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Russian Federation4235 Posts
Seems strange noone mentioned Jaedong. That kid had an immense proleague rating last season, was one of the three invited Zergs for the RaceWar SuperFight and was claimed by many to be the Savior #2. Still waiting, though.
And I strongly disagree about Sea being a failed prodigy. Sea is solid as a rock, being very consistent, but just not the top player at the moment. Just give him time, it seems he must go the longer road.
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On June 26 2007 06:53 Sadist wrote:
crystal[inca] and ogogo
Meh I don't know if Crystal ever really showed much promise.
He was like Sinji_NT, Jinsu and Mumyung. Always making Starleagues but proving themselves to just be making up the numbers.
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I would like to point out that none of the players mentioned compare to Flash when it comes to starting statistics. Flash is definitely living up to whatever hype he received. He is unbeaten by protoss so far Thats wtf good tvp for such a young player in such big games as a rookie. Can you imagine the storyline of him going all the way to the finals unbeaten vs protoss, against a protoss? It would be great.
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United States20661 Posts
Flash/Reach OSL finals would be badass
it would be like EVER 2004 finals. except not a mirror.
soooo badass.
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Nobody mentioning Yellow? He always seemed to be the strongest player around, yet there was always one player left to knock him out in the end. Eternal second.
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Yellow was one of the smartest players to play the game but he never won anything big outside of special events.
ChoJJa could've been here if he didn't randomly win a MSL after he was practically forgotten.
Boxer said Oov was the next big thing, and he delivered. Oov said Canata was the next big thing, but Canata failed.
Sea appeared out of nowhere and started his career in a manner similar to Flash and Nada. Hasn't done anything since.
Whatever happened to the guys Boxer chose for his team, other than Oov?
Terato was rookie of the year at some point, but hasn't done anything after that.
kOs was hyped for a year or two by both Boxer and Nada, and then even by mensrea and the SK T1 coach on Xenosky and never did anything.
Of course, some of these are not set in stone, as they've not been around long enough to have really failed. Savior had one brilliant moment in 2004, but then spent a long time being just another stepping stone for Nada.
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Terato was suppose to be really good, thats all I know...
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On June 26 2007 07:15 RowdierBob wrote:Meh I don't know if Crystal ever really showed much promise. He was like Sinji_NT, Jinsu and Mumyung. Always making Starleagues but proving themselves to just be making up the numbers.
thats why hes failed
theres a difference between bein a respectable pro, and having finishes in tournaments but never winning, but crystal[inca] made it through prelims a bunch and then was whooped in the starleague.
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I reckon Rainbow is one of those failed prodigys.
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IntoTheRain has to be considered as well, he was an incredible player but could never pull it together when it mattered due to his nerves. It's interesting now how its the terrans who arent living up to their billing. It seems like there has always been a dominating terran on the scene, starting with boxer then going to nada and oov. Now there are a lot of very good ones who are on the cusp of being great but cant take it to the next level, such as light, sea, midas, iris and canata. While oov and nada can still be championship contenders they are far from dominant. It will be interesting to see who steps up, as of now I think Firebathero may have made a huge step forward with his victory over savior and that flash has the potential to do it.
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On June 26 2007 11:05 Sadist wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2007 07:15 RowdierBob wrote:On June 26 2007 06:53 Sadist wrote:
crystal[inca] and ogogo Meh I don't know if Crystal ever really showed much promise. He was like Sinji_NT, Jinsu and Mumyung. Always making Starleagues but proving themselves to just be making up the numbers. thats why hes failed theres a difference between bein a respectable pro, and having finishes in tournaments but never winning, but crystal[inca] made it through prelims a bunch and then was whooped in the starleague.
Hrmm, you could add so many people to the list though if Crystal[Inca] is the qualifying standard.
Sinji, Jinsu, Mumyung, TheWind, Crystal, Oversky, Qoo)Max, [Oops]Cloud, Oddysay etc etc are but a few examples of guys who made it through the prelims a bunch of times only to get badly beaten again and again when it came to the crunch.
Nothing much was ever really expected of these players. I think failed prodigies implys they had a seemingly big future ahead of them in progaming and showed some promise (Canata, Junwi, Terato) only to never really reach the heights they were capable of achieving.
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casy should be performing way better considering he won a OSL... instead he took a dive into oblivion and hasnt been seen since that 1st osl..
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On June 26 2007 01:19 Piano wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2007 00:54 Plexa wrote:On June 25 2007 23:02 HaXxorIzed wrote:
Daezang left for the army didn't he?. Ahhh please tell me its not true!! T.T If he is, is he going to join Ace? when did he go? Daezang will be joining Airforce Ace, along with Oversky. Excellent
Ace is rapidly becoming my third fav team (behind mbc and khan)
No wonder hanbit is not doing that great/daezang hasnt been seen in a while
Should be good to see Ace with a proficient protoss
More failed pros;
Think players likeee... Hooney!! omg wtf happened to him.. he was hyped up to be as good as stork and advanced into a SL with him.. then like.. disappeared? Wtf? Pantech cant train p's!
Shine? He was so determined to get far, but like.. nothing has eventuated.. poor guy; read his ygclan interview too...
What about sync? Never got to recover from his curse the poor guy =[ who didnt like spark terran!
Free? This guy is so talented, but like.. never makes it in the individual leagues... whats up with that?
Jy; broke out onto the scene dominating for while; even taking down light... but then kinda faded away.. failed prodigy anyone?
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What about Stork?
Stork has done absolutely nothing up to this point, I guess we'll judge him after the current MSL and OSL.
(Keep in mind that Stork was originally eliminated from the MSL being eliminated by Savior, only coming back because OverSky left for army)
It's interesting that Sea was mentioned in the original post, because both him and Stork were named by the Emperor to be the next best thing in progaming history (along with Savior).
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Too much focused attention on Stork...
Same thing with Canata, who was supposedly the second best thing after Sea, but he too, never got anywhere.
Zergman? YellowA? I don't know if they qualify, but at one point in their career, a lot of people believed in them =)
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ZergMan my fav pro , at least i dont remember what have he done , or even have he done anything memorable ~~ best zvz and poorest zvt ive seen in progaming!
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canata blows
just saw his match against forgg
WIN PLZ
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On June 26 2007 22:42 Cambium wrote:
What about Stork?
Stork has done absolutely nothing up to this point, I guess we'll judge him after the current MSL and OSL.
(Keep in mind that Stork was originally eliminated from the MSL being eliminated by Savior, only coming back because OverSky left for army)
It's interesting that Sea was mentioned in the original post, because both him and Stork were named by the Emperor to be the next best thing in progaming history (along with Savior). Okay, stork wasnt doing well in 06 however...
In ever 2 osl he was the winner of the ODT making him the 4th seed
Went 1-2 tied in his group;
3 way tie braker between Xellos/Stork/Yellow happened, Xellos advanced (GF went 3-0)
In So1 he made osl but lost 0-3 (reach goodfriend and oversky in group)
In Shinhan 05, he went 1-2 along with iris (boxer/july in his group as well)
Didn't make Shinhan 1
Didn't make Shinhan 2
Didn't make Shinhan 3
And thats his history since ever 2 w.r.t. OSL
And now that i look at it.. its actually kinda crap o.O;; i remember him being so much more fearsome than those stats reflect
Actually, thats probably because his strength was PL, and well... carried his team (with jju and siga) through to the finals with T1..
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Stork so much sucked some time ago that i stopped watching the scene hehe!
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Eh, I don't think Yellow or Junwi really count as failed prodigies. Just because you never got first doesn't make you a failure. There are numerous examples in sports or other competitive games where great players were simply stopped short by other great players. Yellow had the misfortune of playing during Boxer's prime. Junwi had the misfortune of peaking at the same time as Chojja (remember ZvZ was Junwi's weak matchup), and Zeus (weak PvP) had similar misfortune in peaking with Nal_rA and Kingdom.
I think the real busts are those players who've been hyped up but have really done NOTHING. People have mentioned Terato and Canata and I think they're the best examples. I think at one point mensrea was talking about Terato as the next big thing. There were anecdotes of complaints being made at an amateur tournament that Terato must be a pro because he was just too good. His speed was supposed to be unreal. But all he's done is make one decent run in a MSL. Seems an awful short list of accomplishments for someone who was supposed to be the next savior of toss.
EDIT: Also I feel what defines a lot these failed prodigies is the obscene amount of attention they received before they had won anything or even played a starleague game. The expectations for players such as Junwi or Sync were fueled more by what they achieved in the starleagues than pronouncements made by superstar teammates or exuberant coaches/managers. No one expected Sync to win NATE, but when he did people prepared to crown a new Terran star that never quite emerged. That's way different from someone like Canata who was put in the spotlight by Oov's comment about him as the next great SKT1 terran before he had made so much as an OGN dual league appearance.
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On June 27 2007 00:19 Tensai176 wrote:
Holy shit Bisu's 17?!
he should be 18 this year if I remember correctly. By korean standard hes 19 though.
At least it says so in an article I saw last week somewhere. The part where hes 19.
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On June 27 2007 01:11 RebelHeart wrote:
Savior
You've gotta be fucking kidding me.
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
On June 27 2007 01:11 RebelHeart wrote:
Savior, Sea, Stork
Yeah...should have put Nada in there too.
/sarcasm
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Reading this makes me wish there was like a "Where Are They Now?" article done or something. I really want to know where people like kOs went. Imagine them working at like burger king now because of their failure, and behind them as they take orders is a small TV on OGN or MBC talking about the successes of their old teammates.
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It must suck for players like Canata who just get hyped by everyone and then the expectations for them skyrocket, and then they can't match them. I'd be kind of annoyed if I was getting ready for a match and I knew I was pretty good and could win and then I heard that a huge name had said I was the next best thing since sliced bread and suddenly a huge number of people expected me to do better than possible.
Alternatively I can see myself appreciating it. I guess it would depend, obviously.
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Wow that makes sense. When I was watching eSTRO in proleague the guy they kept showing who was obviously the coach looked really young.
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On June 27 2007 01:11 RebelHeart wrote:
Savior, Sea, Stork
damm that was funny!!!! you are a legend (and a leopard) mate!
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On June 27 2007 01:19 GTR-2-Go wrote:You've gotta be fucking kidding me.
boxer ez look everyone was hyped up about him and he never did anything
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On June 26 2007 21:58 cravy wrote:
casy should be performing way better considering he won a OSL... instead he took a dive into oblivion and hasnt been seen since that 1st osl..
Uh what? He made it into this OSL and in the OSL right after the one he won he finished 4th losing 3-2 to nada in the semis (and 0-3 to iris in the 3rd place games, but Iris kicks ass at TvT).
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actually now that i think of it, Garimto II. whatever happened to his comeback, anyway?
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On June 27 2007 08:26 RebelHeart wrote:
actually now that i think of it, Garimto II. whatever happened to his comeback, anyway?
very few people hyped Garimto's comeback, everyone was pretty realistic about his chances
even those going "OMG GARIMTO COMING BACK TO OWN" were just cheering and hoping rather than actually thinking he'd come back and win a starleague or something
also:
On June 27 2007 01:11 RebelHeart wrote:
Savior, Sea, Stork
not funny 
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Man, let's never speak of Garim II again.
That shit hurt so hard when he can't even get out of prelims....
It was very painful for me to witness..
The worst part? The guys that beat him in prelims didn't even make it out....
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Garimto is fucking with everyone. Next season hes gonna explode onto the scene and fuck everyone up. Mark my words.
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
i laugh at your words
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LETS BE HONEST FOR A MINUTE
Every single progamer has failed , failed to do somethin better with his fucking life , not to be stuck everyday in the fucking pc box for some fame from little idiotic kids who dont have what else to do , only posting shitz all day on every broodwar site , thinkin they re so fucking cool
Anyone who doesnt see the obvious better fucking kill himself no life less freaks
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sorry if i hurt anyones feelings wowow!
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Little idiotic kids who make 6 figures a year >_>
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On June 27 2007 09:39 SuperJongMan wrote:
Man, let's never speak of Garim II again.
That shit hurt so hard when he can't even get out of prelims....
It was very painful for me to witness..
The worst part? The guys that beat him in prelims didn't even make it out....
DUDE!! For god's sake Garimto just started going back to SC at around the time the prelims started, give him a chance for seriously. You think he would win like there is no tommorow after being absent from the game as a gosu for about 3 years? Jeez
This is deos not mean that if he deos practice hard enough for a while, that he can't get into the MSL or something.
Seriously Garminto is far from being a failed anything, he was just too absent, give him some fucking time and a fucking chance.
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On June 27 2007 10:51 Hovden wrote:
LETS BE HONEST FOR A MINUTE
Every single progamer has failed , failed to do somethin better with his fucking life , not to be stuck everyday in the fucking pc box for some fame from little idiotic kids who dont have what else to do , only posting shitz all day on every broodwar site , thinkin they re so fucking cool
Anyone who doesnt see the obvious better fucking kill himself no life less freaks
So doing something you love for a 6 figure pay count must suck doesn't it...?
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United States7488 Posts
On June 27 2007 10:51 Hovden wrote:
LETS BE HONEST FOR A MINUTE
Every single progamer has failed , failed to do somethin better with his fucking life , not to be stuck everyday in the fucking pc box for some fame from little idiotic kids who dont have what else to do , only posting shitz all day on every broodwar site , thinkin they re so fucking cool
Anyone who doesnt see the obvious better fucking kill himself no life less freaks
Why are you even posting here?
People's lives don't have to match your ideals for them to feel they've been successful and get enjoyment out of life.
OT edit:
when do you think we will actually get to see by.baby actually play in or try to qualify for one of the leagues? When he is ready do you think he will do well or fail?
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i dont think video games should ever be considered to have prodigies, its only a game dont get in over your head.
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Ok, I read to the third page and then just gave up. Some of you guys are idiots. Do you guys not realize there is something called the Shinhan Proleague. Anyone stating that Sea is a failed prodigy does not realize the dependability he brings to MBC's team, especially after July left. He is their number 1 player, and is outperforming Nada who is something like 12 wins and 11 losses. Sea is something like 13 wins 4 losses. Not too shabby.
Stork has performed decently, I believe he is just in a slight slump right now. Hopefully he will be back.
Canata hasn't lived up to the hype, but he also hasn't fallen flat off of a cliff and died. He can still give some results, but nothing close to what a Sea can give you.
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Actually I can only think of Kos. Not even sure he was a prodigy (well he did beat me in a series LOL) but Nada and Boxer certainly made him out to be. Sure he has always been a very solid player, but when those guys say you have better metal play than them you're supposed to be on top.
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On June 27 2007 12:23 hasuprotoss wrote:
Ok, I read to the third page and then just gave up. Some of you guys are idiots. Do you guys not realize there is something called the Shinhan Proleague. Anyone stating that Sea is a failed prodigy does not realize the dependability he brings to MBC's team, especially after July left. He is their number 1 player, and is outperforming Nada who is something like 12 wins and 11 losses. Sea is something like 13 wins 4 losses. Not too shabby.
Stork has performed decently, I believe he is just in a slight slump right now. Hopefully he will be back.
Canata hasn't lived up to the hype, but he also hasn't fallen flat off of a cliff and died. He can still give some results, but nothing close to what a Sea can give you.
Ummm Stork is in a slump since when? Have you not been updated with the scene or did you just come back from 2006? Stork is on fire right now, taking down MANY powerful terrans and protoss. He is in both OSL and MSL, and is probably going to make it near the finals of this MSL. I HIGHLY doubt Stork is in any kind of slump as of now.
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On June 27 2007 09:39 SuperJongMan wrote:
Man, let's never speak of Garim II again.
That shit hurt so hard when he can't even get out of prelims....
It was very painful for me to witness..
The worst part? The guys that beat him in prelims didn't even make it out....
lol what? he lost 2-1 to 910 who's currently one of the final 8 in MSL
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United States7488 Posts
On June 27 2007 12:56 NuclearAntelope wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2007 09:39 SuperJongMan wrote:
Man, let's never speak of Garim II again.
That shit hurt so hard when he can't even get out of prelims....
It was very painful for me to witness..
The worst part? The guys that beat him in prelims didn't even make it out.... lol what? he lost 2-1 to 910 who's currently one of the final 8 in MSL
No... Garimto lost to Magma.
As evidenced in this thread.
Magma did not make it out of prelims.
910 passed prelims and made it through to Survivor before Garimto even announced his unretirement iirc.
edit: I guess he did lose to 910 in the PSL though, who lost next round to sea.Leta, a new Terran who didn't qualify either.
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Flash is my new hero. Fuck FagJaebisu2pro4me
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There was a thread about how Flash only has two recent losses - one from FagJae, another from The Emperor. Were there any other ones?
+ Show Spoiler +vs FagJae: Flash fails to anticipate FagJae's mass ling rush despite 3hatch and loses within 5 minutes. I'd like to see them play another match or better yet, bo3. My money would go on Flash "I Can Kick FagJae's Ass"
vs. Bocksa: semi-long game, although I felt that Flash should have played much better. I think nerves might have gotten to him; he usually has much more solid gameplay.
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everyone who discounts stork as a "failed prodigy" i think is writing him off too early. on his first pass around, he was only what, 16? 17? he still has a lot of time to prove himself, unlike say, terato, who was kicked off his progaming team.
to be a failed prodigy you have to fail forever, sea and stork may just be late bloomers.
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On June 27 2007 13:32 semioldguy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2007 12:56 NuclearAntelope wrote:On June 27 2007 09:39 SuperJongMan wrote:
Man, let's never speak of Garim II again.
That shit hurt so hard when he can't even get out of prelims....
It was very painful for me to witness..
The worst part? The guys that beat him in prelims didn't even make it out.... lol what? he lost 2-1 to 910 who's currently one of the final 8 in MSL No... Garimto lost to Magma. As evidenced in this thread.Magma did not make it out of prelims. 910 passed prelims and made it through to Survivor before Garimto even announced his unretirement iirc. edit: I guess he did lose to 910 in the PSL though, who lost next round to sea.Leta, a new Terran who didn't qualify either.
well 910 didn't make it out of that PSL, but he was still a formidable opponent and there's no shame in a rusty garimto losing to him
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On June 27 2007 12:55 Duffybeer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2007 12:23 hasuprotoss wrote:
Ok, I read to the third page and then just gave up. Some of you guys are idiots. Do you guys not realize there is something called the Shinhan Proleague. Anyone stating that Sea is a failed prodigy does not realize the dependability he brings to MBC's team, especially after July left. He is their number 1 player, and is outperforming Nada who is something like 12 wins and 11 losses. Sea is something like 13 wins 4 losses. Not too shabby.
Stork has performed decently, I believe he is just in a slight slump right now. Hopefully he will be back.
Canata hasn't lived up to the hype, but he also hasn't fallen flat off of a cliff and died. He can still give some results, but nothing close to what a Sea can give you. Ummm Stork is in a slump since when? Have you not been updated with the scene or did you just come back from 2006? Stork is on fire right now, taking down MANY powerful terrans and protoss. He is in both OSL and MSL, and is probably going to make it near the finals of this MSL. I HIGHLY doubt Stork is in any kind of slump as of now.
Well according to everyone else he is a failed prodigy, I have no idea why.
And to the people saying Terato, you are absolutely correct.
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On June 27 2007 14:34 Guybrush wrote:
Garimtwo or Garimtoe?
Garimtoe
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Well Boxer and Nada weren't the only ones hyping kOs at the time.
His TvP was insanely good.
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On June 27 2007 17:15 hasuprotoss wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2007 12:55 Duffybeer wrote:On June 27 2007 12:23 hasuprotoss wrote:
Ok, I read to the third page and then just gave up. Some of you guys are idiots. Do you guys not realize there is something called the Shinhan Proleague. Anyone stating that Sea is a failed prodigy does not realize the dependability he brings to MBC's team, especially after July left. He is their number 1 player, and is outperforming Nada who is something like 12 wins and 11 losses. Sea is something like 13 wins 4 losses. Not too shabby.
Stork has performed decently, I believe he is just in a slight slump right now. Hopefully he will be back.
Canata hasn't lived up to the hype, but he also hasn't fallen flat off of a cliff and died. He can still give some results, but nothing close to what a Sea can give you. Ummm Stork is in a slump since when? Have you not been updated with the scene or did you just come back from 2006? Stork is on fire right now, taking down MANY powerful terrans and protoss. He is in both OSL and MSL, and is probably going to make it near the finals of this MSL. I HIGHLY doubt Stork is in any kind of slump as of now. Well according to everyone else he is a failed prodigy, I have no idea why. And to the people saying Terato, you are absolutely correct.
Wasn't terato the "architect"
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
On June 27 2007 18:41 himurakenshin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2007 17:15 hasuprotoss wrote:On June 27 2007 12:55 Duffybeer wrote:On June 27 2007 12:23 hasuprotoss wrote:
Ok, I read to the third page and then just gave up. Some of you guys are idiots. Do you guys not realize there is something called the Shinhan Proleague. Anyone stating that Sea is a failed prodigy does not realize the dependability he brings to MBC's team, especially after July left. He is their number 1 player, and is outperforming Nada who is something like 12 wins and 11 losses. Sea is something like 13 wins 4 losses. Not too shabby.
Stork has performed decently, I believe he is just in a slight slump right now. Hopefully he will be back.
Canata hasn't lived up to the hype, but he also hasn't fallen flat off of a cliff and died. He can still give some results, but nothing close to what a Sea can give you. Ummm Stork is in a slump since when? Have you not been updated with the scene or did you just come back from 2006? Stork is on fire right now, taking down MANY powerful terrans and protoss. He is in both OSL and MSL, and is probably going to make it near the finals of this MSL. I HIGHLY doubt Stork is in any kind of slump as of now. Well according to everyone else he is a failed prodigy, I have no idea why. And to the people saying Terato, you are absolutely correct. Wasn't terato the "architect"
yea but that could still mean he's a failed prodigy right
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On June 27 2007 12:55 Duffybeer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2007 12:23 hasuprotoss wrote:
Ok, I read to the third page and then just gave up. Some of you guys are idiots. Do you guys not realize there is something called the Shinhan Proleague. Anyone stating that Sea is a failed prodigy does not realize the dependability he brings to MBC's team, especially after July left. He is their number 1 player, and is outperforming Nada who is something like 12 wins and 11 losses. Sea is something like 13 wins 4 losses. Not too shabby.
Stork has performed decently, I believe he is just in a slight slump right now. Hopefully he will be back.
Canata hasn't lived up to the hype, but he also hasn't fallen flat off of a cliff and died. He can still give some results, but nothing close to what a Sea can give you. Ummm Stork is in a slump since when? Have you not been updated with the scene or did you just come back from 2006? Stork is on fire right now, taking down MANY powerful terrans and protoss. He is in both OSL and MSL, and is probably going to make it near the finals of this MSL. I HIGHLY doubt Stork is in any kind of slump as of now.
yeah really, this is the best stork has ever performed in his entire career
slump my ass hahahah
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Osaka27148 Posts
I would agree with kos and to a lesser extent terato. Another name I would put out is Gundam and shinyA
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On June 27 2007 22:04 Manifesto7 wrote:
I would agree with kos and to a lesser extent terato. Another name I would put out is Gundam and shinyA
gundam made it to a final once and lost to yellow
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For really old players, [GsP]Gyuntae and Chunsang (aka joypop[zodiac]) were pretty good players online but never made the transition to offline play. Breeze[AKUTA] might be in that category as well. Junitoss was fairly young when he made his debut in the 4th KPGA tour, but I think his youth was all that really distinguished him. I wouldn't really call any of those players prodigies, but definitely they failed expectations put on them (except maybe Junitoss because he didn't have much, if at all).
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Well, Junitoss was known to have nervousness syndrome (i.e fuck up on televised games). Gyuntae and Breeze were great online players, but never seemed to do well in offline qualifiers (except Breeze, he made a MSL) while Joypop I can't really comment on, but word says he was going to be a big terran.
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Osaka27148 Posts
On June 27 2007 22:17 Sadist wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2007 22:04 Manifesto7 wrote:
I would agree with kos and to a lesser extent terato. Another name I would put out is Gundam and shinyA gundam made it to a final once and lost to yellow
I know, and then dissapeared due to various matters. I would say considering his potential, he is a failed prodigy.
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I think we need to more closely define prodigy.
according to the dictionary, it is:
1. a person, esp. a child or young person, having extraordinary talent or ability: a musical prodigy.
So I think players like gundam, who were already older than average progamer age when they started to rise in progaming, don't count as a prodigy.
Sea definitely was and still is a prodigy and I would argue that he is far from "failed". But that depends on your defintion of "failed".
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I feel "failures" should be judged after the progaming career in question has come to a close. We can look back and see kOs' entire body of work and judge pretty fairly that given the hype surrounding him he clearly fell short. While we might get away with writing off the careers of players like Terato (is he still playing?) and Canata because they just don't seem to be making the next step, it'd be unfair to players like Sea and Stork who are still playing and competing at the highest levels to prematurely label them as "failures". If we look back there have been many examples of late bloomers or "rebirths" in progaming such as Zeus, GoRush, and Kingdom.
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Remember [Oops]Lee ? Another "talent" wasted.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
oops lee was never considered anything special to my recollection
this isn't the "name shitty players" thread
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Well, Lee was a really good Terran player way back in the day, but he just shitted it up when it came to important games.
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On June 28 2007 02:42 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
oops lee was never considered anything special to my recollection
this isn't the "name shitty players" thread
.................. [Oops]Lee qualified for several compertitions, but couldn't pass the final hurdle, he was considered a good player.
Can't believe no one is mentioning Heave[30DOM] The guy was sick on b.net, when it came to offline play he was terrible
Nazgul should post here, he knows quite a bit about players mentioned in this thread.
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On June 28 2007 03:25 Elsi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2007 02:42 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
oops lee was never considered anything special to my recollection
this isn't the "name shitty players" thread .................. [Oops]Lee qualified for several compertitions, but couldn't pass the final hurdle, he was considered a good player.
he was one of those shitty fucking stepping-stone players that qualified for shit and got immediately knocked out
no one ever expected anything big out of him, he was by no definition a prodigy
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You could add YellOw as a failed prodigy, he hasn't won any major tities. At the end of the day, it all comes down to winning trophies, and sadly, YellOw has won many of the prestige ones.
Have faith in Sea, he's only young, hasn't been on the circut for long, give him time. Same with Canata.
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Hehe "failed" here means not winning a major event apperantly
Pusan was btw mega hyped after his 3rd place finishes in two consecutive OSLs. Dunno about the korean community though.
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YellOw had been the one the bert zergs for years, still he didn't win much
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You know, I think in hindisght it would have been better had we firmly established a definition for "proidgy" and "failure" before we set forth into this topic. Sure, Yellow may not have got to that last step, but his career was one of many good finals placings ... which surely accounts for something.
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Yellow is NOT a failure.
If we look back at all of Starcraft progaming, is anyone going to leave Yellow out of a list of greatest zerg players? Who'd deserve to be on that list more than Yellow? Off the top of my head I can only think of Savior and July who'd take precedence over him. It isn't just about winning tournaments. If so, Ogogo and MuMyung would be great zerg players too and we know that's not the case.
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Maybe Daezang will end like a failed prodigy =/
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Yellow is a failure though, just less so than some of the others in this thread. No matter how you cut it, he just couldn't win the big one. More importantly he hasn't shown any adaptive capabilities to the changes in the game.
Mumyung I consider to be a failed prodigy.
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On June 29 2007 11:31 Judicator wrote:
Yellow is a failure though, just less so than some of the others in this thread. No matter how you cut it, he just couldn't win the big one. More importantly he hasn't shown any adaptive capabilities to the changes in the game.
Mumyung I consider to be a failed prodigy.
If you consider Yellow a failure, what about all the hundreds of other progamers that haven't even gotten to a Starleague final in their entire careers?
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On June 25 2007 22:27 Piano wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2007 22:18 GoOdJo wrote:
a majority of the players are young now and days anyways, sea is like 15- or 16 and flash is 15. i'm pretty sure bisu is only like 16 or 17, so its kind of hard to say "prodigy" since alot of the good players are really young anyways. But that being said i havent heard about that 12 year old kid who is like an apprentice to Pantech or whatever, you know what happened to him? i think sea is 18.. and i think bisu is older than 16/17. not too sure though. taeyang was seen next to nada at the recent pantech vs. samsung proleague match, dunno what he does for pantech though, the story is he trains with NaDa
Off topic but are u Ever.t)PianO?
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