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Freakling
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany1532 Posts
March 10 2019 19:25 GMT
#41
As expected it is easy to reproduce in single player (I used 1.16, but RM should make no difference) on slow game speeds. So in principle it would work at fastest without latency as well, simply comes down to hitting those keys fast enough.
GunSlinger
Profile Joined June 2006
614 Posts
March 10 2019 19:25 GMT
#42
Well, this is exciting :D
vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
March 10 2019 19:34 GMT
#43
On March 11 2019 04:03 Freakling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2019 03:35 vOdToasT wrote:
Summary:

This is possible on all forms of multiplayer StarCraft: 8 turn rate extra high battle net, 24 turn rate low battle net, and LAN. It is not, I believe, possible in single player (I have not managed to do it there). It is easier the laggier it is, but even over LAN, it is possible to do pretty consistently.

Many of the BroodWar speedruns require similar tricks (for Crackmutas for examplke), so there's probably even a way to make it work in SP. There's probably always a frame or so delay in interface updates. Have you tried it at slowest game speed?


When I say that it's not possible in single player, I mean that it's not humanly possible, at least not with the keyboards of today (on the fastest game speed).
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
razorsuKe
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2000 Posts
March 10 2019 19:47 GMT
#44
Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong?
I'm creating archons with 1 hallu and 1 real, but the result is the archon is a hallucination and not a real one.

I'm selecting 2 ht, grouping them to ctrl 1
Then selecting real + hallu ht, and pressing shift 1, 1, r

The real + hallu ht merge but the result is a hallu archon
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Tim123321
Profile Joined April 2017
24 Posts
March 10 2019 19:49 GMT
#45
if the resultant archon is a hallucination, your error is that the hallucinations were made AFTER the templar used to merge. you need the creation timestamp to be newer for the real temp than the fake one.
Tim123321
Profile Joined April 2017
24 Posts
March 10 2019 19:51 GMT
#46
Also, this can be reproduced on all turn rates and on remastered and 1.16. the selection "bug" exists in all versions of the game that I know about
razorsuKe
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2000 Posts
March 10 2019 20:07 GMT
#47
awesome, thank you!
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fazek42
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Hungary438 Posts
March 10 2019 20:35 GMT
#48
This game :D < 3
badpenny
Profile Joined August 2018
Canada54 Posts
March 10 2019 20:57 GMT
#49
can the same or a similar technique be used on hallucinated hydras and mutas to morph real units?
razorsuKe
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2000 Posts
March 10 2019 21:51 GMT
#50
On March 11 2019 05:57 badpenny wrote:
can the same or a similar technique be used on hallucinated hydras and mutas to morph real units?


I just tried this: No
The real units morph, the hallucinated ones just stay there
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TwiggyWan
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
France335 Posts
March 10 2019 21:57 GMT
#51
It's like every bullshit glitch is for the protoss race. Coincidence? I think not
No bad days
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10287 Posts
March 10 2019 22:04 GMT
#52
On March 11 2019 06:57 TwiggyWan wrote:
It's like every bullshit glitch is for the protoss race. Coincidence? I think not

You're right, thank god the game was revolutionized in our favor 13 years ago when we realized we could select 11 Scouts with 1 Probe trapped between Pylons and stack them to harass enemy worker lines. Oh wait...
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
SuGo
Profile Joined March 2013
United States681 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-10 23:04:18
March 10 2019 23:02 GMT
#53
It's cool and all, and even cooler that things like this are discovered in 2019.

But, even so, this will be fixed by Blizzard, as this does throw some type of unbalance into the game. For instance, the "mass recall" from last year, that's not really any sort of unbalance, but I could see this archon gimmick really changing the course of late game PvZ, or even being incorporated into some sort of crazy 8 gate PvP timing attack, etc (lot of different possibilities)
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19307 Posts
March 10 2019 23:02 GMT
#54
On March 11 2019 06:57 TwiggyWan wrote:
It's like every bullshit glitch is for the protoss race. Coincidence? I think not

If only we could find a way to lay spidermines for free.
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19307 Posts
March 10 2019 23:05 GMT
#55
On March 11 2019 08:02 ProtossGG wrote:
It's cool and all, and even cooler that things like this are discovered in 2019.

But, even so, this will be fixed by Blizzard, as this does throw some type of unbalance into the game. For instance, the "mass recall" from last year, that's not really any sort of unbalance, but I could see this archon thing really changing the course of late game PvZ, or even being incorporated into some sort of crazy 8 gate PvP timing attack, etc.

Is it really broken? I hope it isn't fixed for at least a single ASL. Protoss players have to first research hallucination and wait for a templar to have the energy. Plus it requires a fresh ht and successful merge before the hallucination expires. We should wait to see if this strategy is relevant first and then broken second.
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errol1001
Profile Joined April 2008
454 Posts
March 11 2019 00:46 GMT
#56
On March 11 2019 07:04 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2019 06:57 TwiggyWan wrote:
It's like every bullshit glitch is for the protoss race. Coincidence? I think not

You're right, thank god the game was revolutionized in our favor 13 years ago when we realized we could select 11 Scouts with 1 Probe trapped between Pylons and stack them to harass enemy worker lines. Oh wait...


My favorite is hold-position reavers
LocoBolon
Profile Joined June 2012
Argentina244 Posts
March 11 2019 02:11 GMT
#57
It's a cool trick and it could see it beeing somewhat helpful in some situations, but by no means this is a game breaker discovery. It's not like now the P v Z winratio will dramatically turn in P favor because of this: 1. only viable on late game, 2. needs for the user to make quite a few tasks before it.
Just remember a few months ago we were doubting if Totall Recall was goin to change meta in P v T and No, it didn't, not in the least, and I think that was a bigger deal.
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LocoBolon
Profile Joined June 2012
Argentina244 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-11 02:17:27
March 11 2019 02:16 GMT
#58
"need a patch", in order to what? ASL not becoming Protoss broken or preventing the Ladder of beeing taken over by Protoss going mass Archons? lol, come on, don't be silly...


I can imagine a timeline where a patch could not come and we all still "be fine" regardless.
Standard Queens
vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
March 11 2019 02:28 GMT
#59
On March 11 2019 08:05 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2019 08:02 ProtossGG wrote:
It's cool and all, and even cooler that things like this are discovered in 2019.

But, even so, this will be fixed by Blizzard, as this does throw some type of unbalance into the game. For instance, the "mass recall" from last year, that's not really any sort of unbalance, but I could see this archon thing really changing the course of late game PvZ, or even being incorporated into some sort of crazy 8 gate PvP timing attack, etc.

Is it really broken? I hope it isn't fixed for at least a single ASL. Protoss players have to first research hallucination and wait for a templar to have the energy. Plus it requires a fresh ht and successful merge before the hallucination expires. We should wait to see if this strategy is relevant first and then broken second.


I agree. People are baselessly concluding that this is imbalanced much too early.
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
March 11 2019 02:44 GMT
#60
On March 10 2019 22:35 Nyannyan_artist wrote:
FBH did it a lot on his stream today:


also koreans told me that you can do this with dark templars as well


Am confused. Sounds like this is known already in Korea? Or were there KR netizens reading TL and informing him that we just now noticed this and this was truly "discovered" in the foreign community.
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