On March 10 2019 18:32 Splax wrote:
It's fairly easy to do:
1. Line up real hts next to hallucination
2. Mark all the real hts and set to a ctrl group
3. Mark all the hts (hallu + real)
4. Quickly set the same control group, select the group and press merge (i.e "ctrl + 1, 1, r")
Unfortunately they all become hallucinations when I do it, meaning I lose the real hts

This guide works.
To make real archons just morph them by FRESH-MADE templars. So you need to make hallucinations before this point.

Nyannyan_artist

9 Posts

March 10 2019 14:04 GMT

#27

FBH explains in english^^
he also pointed out that this must be a new ht (not the one used to make hallu)

Malkiyah

Russian Federation92 Posts

March 10 2019 14:33 GMT

#28

On March 10 2019 23:04 Nyannyan_artist wrote:
https://clips.twitch.tv/TastyElatedMagpieWoofer

FBH explains in english^^

Yea, this is method 2.

The only difference is in last paragraph. So, instead of "ctrl + 1, 1, r" press quickly "shift + 1, 1" and then "r".

M3t4PhYzX

Poland4187 Posts

March 10 2019 16:32 GMT

#29

this is nuts..

wondering if we will see it in professional or semi-professional game. Would be pretty crazy.

SeaKing66

41 Posts

March 10 2019 16:51 GMT

#30

Updated the OP to include the instructions in one spot.

I think the more interesting question is whether or not this trick should be legal in online tournaments. The consensus among Koreans is that this trick is almost impossible to do in offline conditions, but much more feasible online with lag.

ProMeTheus112

France2027 Posts

March 10 2019 17:56 GMT

#31

it reminds me of the glitch that allowed you to make Z units translucent (like stealthed but no need detection) AND to stack. it used a similar control group procedure with burrow ability. it was patched out hopefully as it was quite easy to cheat using it

vOdToasT

Sweden2870 Posts

March 10 2019 18:13 GMT

#32

I can do it online on low latency turn rate 24, but I can't do it in single player. If it can be done in lan, though, I think it should be legal. I just hosted a lan game and am going to attempt it there.

Update: I just did it on LAN. Maybe it's possible to do in single player too, but I just got better at it after practicing? I'll keep doing it until I can do it consistently on LAN, then I'll try it in single player.

Second update: Since this trick requires input latency of a sort, and there is some of it in LAN, but not in single player, this is possible to do in all multiplayer forms of StarCraft. It's just not possible in single player. Therefore, I say, let people do it and leave it in the game.

There's no reason to ban it from LAN tournament play, because it works over a LAN just as well as over the internet. StarCraft is simply coded in such a way that there will always be a little bit of input delay in multiplayer, whether over the internet or over a LAN. This is a part of multiplayer StarCraft. If it turns out to be a balance problem (it won't, it makes the game better and more interesting), then it can be patched out.

Do *not* fuck this up, Blizzard. This is a historic decision.

vOdToasT

Sweden2870 Posts

March 10 2019 18:35 GMT

#33

Summary:

This is possible on all forms of multiplayer StarCraft: 8 turn rate extra high battle net, 24 turn rate low battle net, and LAN. It is not, I believe, possible in single player (I have not managed to do it there). It is easier the laggier it is, but even over LAN, it is possible to do pretty consistently.

HaN-

France1919 Posts

March 10 2019 18:42 GMT

#34

asel

Germany1599 Posts

March 10 2019 18:46 GMT

#35

Wow, this is crazy. Should get fixed imo. Its basically a balance change and I'm not a fan of this in broodwar.

Luddite

United States2315 Posts

March 10 2019 18:51 GMT

#36

I guess you could also use this to exceed max supply right? Normally when you make an archon, you sacrifice two 2-supply HTs and get 1 4-supply archon, so it comes out even. But here, you're only sacrificing 2 supply to get the archon.

If the HTs have to be made last that will limit it, but you can still exceed the supply cap a little.

errol1001

454 Posts

March 10 2019 18:55 GMT

#37

I'd love to see how this plays out, but it's hard to see it not being banned. I think much smaller things have been banned than this. (observers over turrets)

vOdToasT

Sweden2870 Posts

March 10 2019 18:57 GMT

#38

On March 11 2019 03:46 asel wrote:
Wow, this is crazy. Should get fixed imo. Its basically a balance change and I'm not a fan of this in broodwar.

The total recall was also a "balance change". Every new discovery was a "balance change". Leave it in until it proves itself as a problem. I predict that it won't be a problem. Protoss is the weakest race anyway, just not by much. And this doesn't make Protoss that much stronger. It's probably fine. At least give it a chance.

I can do it on LAN and on battle net, so if it is decided that this should not be in the game, it should be patched out, not banned in the rules, because as it is, it's simply an inescapable part of multiplayer StarCraft.

Freakling

Germany1529 Posts

March 10 2019 19:03 GMT

#39

On March 11 2019 03:35 vOdToasT wrote:
Summary:

This is possible on all forms of multiplayer StarCraft: 8 turn rate extra high battle net, 24 turn rate low battle net, and LAN. It is not, I believe, possible in single player (I have not managed to do it there). It is easier the laggier it is, but even over LAN, it is possible to do pretty consistently.

Many of the BroodWar speedruns require similar tricks (for Crackmutas for examplke), so there's probably even a way to make it work in SP. There's probably always a frame or so delay in interface updates. Have you tried it at slowest game speed?