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BW Power Rank: September 2018

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September 4th, 2018 00:12 GMT
Gigamatch

Welcome back to our September Edition of the SC:R Power Rank! Some housekeeping topics to discuss before we head into the actual list. I received a lot of criticism and feedback from people that I rewarded participation over actual talent and ability to win games. After looking through what people had to say, I agree with the comments, that I should reward talent over activity.

That being said, extended periods of inactivity will still be punished. Sponmatches will also be factored into the grading; however, I will not grade them at the same level as tournament or KCM results. Ok, with that out of the way, let’s dive in!
 

#1: Flash [image loading] (New)
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Ok so here’s the thing, FlaSh by all rights should have been on the PR last time, and easily at least in the top 3. So don’t be alarmed that I brought him someone that didn’t make the PR last time to #1. Second, the only player I could make arguments for putting over FlaSh are Rain before his match against Jaedong, and Jaedong after his match against Rain. Seeing as Rain lost, he can’t be #1, and Jaedong’s ZvT still needs to be proven before I can make an argument for Jaedong over FlaSh.

Besides that, FlaSh absolutely crushed Shuttle in the ASL6 wildcard match for the 4th seed. The one-sided affair signals to me that FlaSh hasn’t lost much of a step, and that he’s definitely back this season to get some revenge on his ASL5 Ro8 exit. The timings and decision-making are all still there, coupled with new found motivation to get back to his throne. FlaSh will be scary in ASL6, and if his ASL3 run was any indication of how much he hates losing, everyone will need to be on their best guard against FlaSh.

 

#2: Jaedong (New)
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Yes, there’s a lot of hype right now, and maybe he’s placed a smidge high. But god damn if most of us aren’t screaming “HE’S BACK!!!” and drooling over the sight of his zergling control. For a guy who’s highest finish was the semis at ASL2 all the way back in early 2017, and now in the finals of a very prestigious offline tournament, it has been an incredible ride for Jaedong as well as his fans. It’s like the Tiger Woods effect, Starcraft is better and more fun to watch when Jaedong is playing well.

His games haven’t been pushovers either, coming back from the loser’s bracket in the group stages after getting knocked down by Light, only to trounce Shuttle and then get sweet revenge on Light in the final match. That was where people started to feel that maybe something special was happening, especially after his crushing ling runbys against Shuttle. His series against Light was also masterfully played, his immaculate game sense carrying him through to the victory, with still some holes in his play. His match against Snow was just a glimpse of the Jaedong of old, the infamous LLWWW to take the series with brilliant adaptation and BoX preparation.

And he read Snow like a book in Game 5, sniping the first shuttle not even 20 seconds after it was completed. And a one-sided sweep of Rain, who many thought would be the next best player, cemented himself as my #2 player in this PR. With seemingly no holes in his play, Jaedong seemed to show the old tendencies, cracking wrists after Game 2, and licking his lips after Game 3 when he could taste victory, gave me flashbacks of his play nearly a decade ago in 2009. Welcome back Jaedong, it’s been too long.

 

#3: Rain (-2)
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Rain’s weakness was finally exposed after going up against the Tyrant, Jaedong. A series that almost seemed too fast to believe, Rain quickly tapped out each game as he sunk deeper and deeper into a hole. What was his forte in PvP and PvT, his early-game micro and rapid decision making, was all but useless against Jaedong. In fact, he looked completely out of his element right from the start, moving out zealots and allowing Jaedong to run through with lings to destroy cannons before his hydra bust in Game 1, and allowing a simple ling attack to kill him in Game 2, and some questionable attacks in Game 4.

With that being said, I think Rain is still in the top 3 for a few reasons. His PvP is like the combination of Stork and Bisu in their primes, and his PvT is by no means a slouch still. He beat Mini 3-2, and then crushed BeSt who looked like a nervous wreck the entire series. For me, like what I said about BeSt and Snow in the last PR, they need to improve their vZ matchups before I can start putting them back at the top, because especially with a hoard of Zergs waiting for them in the ASL, they won’t get far if they can’t fix their weakest matchup.

 

#4: Last [image loading] (New)
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I don’t understand Last. He went from getting smashed against Mini in the KSL opener, to barely winning an absolutely garbage series against Movie (seriously, that series was one of the worst Bo5 matches I’ve ever seen), and then gets revenge against Mini in a very scrappy, excellent series to advance to the Ro8. From there, he played another great scrappy series against Horang2 and upset Soulkey, 4-2 in the semis. Much like Jaedong’s drought and recent surge, Last had not made a significant splash in the scene for a very long time, so seeing AlphaGo play like AlphaGo to advance to a finals is impressive.

His scrappy defense against Mini in their final series had me on the edge of my seat the entire game, which culminated into a beautiful Game 4 that let many of us speechless. To cap it all off, he ended a surging hero’s KCM run to seal the deal for the Terran vs Zerg race war. Against Horang2 it was much of the same, he had a bit better success against carriers but overall still forced the series to play to his pace, scrappy and tight. Soulkey couldn’t manage to break his pace either, with a barrage of 1-1-1 coming out of Last that seemingly gave Soulkey almost no answers. Even Game 3 where Soulkey narrowly held on felt like another Last victory that would have pushed him up 3-0. The only unfortunate part is that he gave away much of his style and strategy to a waiting Jaedong in the finals, so he’ll have to go back to the drawing board to prepare for another Bo7.

 

#5: Soulkey (-2)
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Soulkey had been on a ZvT tear, beating Light and Sharp on his way to what appeared to be another finals appearance. Until AlphaGo mode turned on and down went Soulkey in the semifinals. What frustrated me the most about Soulkey wasn’t that he lost, but how he lost. Games 1 and 3 were nearly identical, and it seemed like he was going to suffer the same fate as before until he narrowly swung the tide with a 3rd that wasn’t killed like Game 1. Still, it seemed like he was completely unprepared for the 1-1-1, even after all the times he played FlaSh in sponmatches when he first unveiled the new and improved 1-1-1 build.

That being said, he still managed a top 4 finish in the KSL, and will now look towards the ASL6. His ZvP is still top notch, especially with how he handled Shuttle in the group stages, and he’s still a consistent high performer in the KCM. We just need to see him adapt better in BoX series and see if he can improve his ZvT, otherwise he won’t ever have a chance against FlaSh.

 

#6: Larva (-4)
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Larva’s choice to not participate in ASL6 leaves us disappointed. That being said, family does come first and we hope that he spends valuable time with his kid and unwinds from a stressful Starcraft season. Perhaps his failure to qualify for the KSL helped influence his decision. Regardless, Larva is still one of the scariest players to face in a BoX series, and if he were in the KSL right now, I would have full confidence for him to tear his way through the groups and bracket. Hopefully we see more Larva in online tournaments for September, but keep a close eye on his sponmatches to gauge is progress.

 

#7: Snow (-3)
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Here’s the problem with Snow. His PvT, phenomenal, arguably the best right now among all the Protoss players. Better than BeSt and possibly better than Rain (haven’t seen enough PvT from Rain). His PvP is also solid considering he managed to beat Mini in the semis of ASL5. The problem comes from his PvZ. When he managed to take a 2-0 lead over Jaedong, it just seemed like he fell apart. You could tell he was playing scared and nervous as soon as he sent his probes back to the main and had them all destroyed by one lurker. It was more evident when he didn’t scout thoroughly with his corsair in Game 4 which made him instantly lose to a hydra bust, and then lost his first shuttle without scouting the area with corsairs.

With all that out of the way, he’s still a fearsome Protoss player that must be respected, and expected to at least make the Ro8 in ASL6, but with a weaker PvZ that was evident in his series against Jaedong, he needs to be more diligent with his practice to feel comfortable making a deep run.

 

#8: BeSt (-3)
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I’d like to start BeSt’s section by saying if you haven’t watched the Pimpest Play of 2018, go watch it right now.
Ok, with that out of the way, here’s why BeSt drops a few places in the PR. Of course, with the introduction of FlaSh, we expected pretty much everyone to drop down a slot if they maintained their play, which BeSt rightfully has mostly done… MOSTLY. His series against Mind showed that he’s still one of the strongest PvT players, albeit Mind looked like hot garbage out there. On top of that, his 3-1 scoreline over Stork makes the series look a lot closer than it really was, but he proved that Stork’s 3-2 win was a fluke.

But he got manhandled by Rain in the Ro8, so badly beaten that he just looked out of place out there. Forgetting to attack with a dragoon when Rain was inside his base on Roadkill? Definitely showed that nerves got to him. But I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt, I don’t think there’s a single Protoss that can stand up to Ran right now. So his PvT is solid and his PvP is mostly good, but his PvZ looked shakey once again, after getting eliminated in the Seoul Qualifiers by MIsO. After taking Larva to a 5th set in the DanJJING finals, I would have expected BeSt to be able to at least take the series. There are still inconsistencies in his PvZ that definitely need to be shored up if he’s to hope for a podium spot in the ASL, considering he’ll have to deal with a stacked ZvP lineup of Soulkey, EffOrt, MIsO, and a resurgent Jaedong.

 

#9: Mini (-2)
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Mini played a very good series against Rain, merely making one critical error in Game 5 by pushing up without vision and losing all of his dragoons. Sadly, what most felt like should have been a routine stomp over Last ended up in disappointment as he was eliminated from the KSL. He played quite well in the series though, nearly managing to break Last’s push multiple times. Alas, close isn’t good enough in the game of Starcraft. His PvP and PvT are still solid matchups, but we’ll need to examine his PvZ to see where he’ll line up in the coming ASL. Being seeded directly into the Ro16 will play a huge advantage for him though, and he’ll be able to have more time to prepare.

 

#10: Horang2 (New)
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If you told me Horang2 would make it to the Ro8 in this KSL, I would have laughed at you. But he proved me wrong and played a tight series against Stork to victory. His play in the series looked solid, albeit it was only Stork who has seen better days. His series against Last was quite close as well, with him managing to defend an early expo against marine vulture rush and using carriers to claw himself a victory on Blue Storm. Horang2 only earns a 10th spot here because his group was overall easy to advance from and he failed to beat Last. But he also qualified for the ASL6 in the Seoul qualifiers, taking the group over Sascri 2-0 so he’ll round out our PR for the month.

 

-- Close But No Cigar (CBNC) ---

Sharp: While he did manage to make the Ro8, Sharp needs to prove to me that he can play a matchup besides TvT. His TvP looked completely in disarray against Snow, something most Terrans would say, and his TvZ did not look that clean either against Soulkey. I like Sharp, but he needs to improve his other matchups if he hopes to make it back into the spotlight and the top10 of the PR.

Shuttle: Disappointing is really my only word to describe Shuttle’s August. Knocked out first in his KSL group (albeit in two straight PvZs), and clobbered by FlaSh in the ASL Wildcard match. He always seems so close yet so far from breaking through to becoming a top tier Protoss but he’s consistently behind Rain, Snow, and BeSt.

Light: Light played two incredible TvZs in which he barely lost in the 5th and final set each time. After beating Jaedong 3-1 the first time around, I thought he would have been in prime position to move out of the group until Jaedong turned his zerglings into Devouring Ones. Light did make it back into the ASL6 by qualifying through the final qualifiers.

Shoutout:
Hero: If you haven’t please go read the article of hero, written by our lovely Bigfan. Hero is sadly leaving for military service, severely weakening our already faltering Zerg line, and taking with him some incredible talent. He will be sorely missed, a consistent high tournament performer and was surging in the KCM Race Wars with a Protoss AK and a Terran 2k. You will be missed Prince of Zerg. o7

 

Writer: FlaShFTW
Graphics: v1
Editors: Bigfan
Photo Credits: Blizzard Entertainment
 
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N-KO
Profile Joined April 2017
25 Posts
September 04 2018 00:25 GMT
#2
I was kind of appalled that flash wasn't in the list, but now that he's on the list I'm even more appalled that you moved him from out of the top 10 to 1st.

What does this list even mean if you can just freely move people up and down on whims.
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19214 Posts
September 04 2018 00:28 GMT
#3
On September 04 2018 09:25 N-KO wrote:
I was kind of appalled that flash wasn't in the list, but now that he's on the list I'm even more appalled that you moved him from out of the top 10 to 1st.

What does this list even mean if you can just freely move people up and down on whims.

It means we heard you guys and are willing to make better considerations in the future.

My one disagreement is Horang2 over sharp, but other then that the list is solid. I'm glad mind is finally out too.
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N-KO
Profile Joined April 2017
25 Posts
September 04 2018 00:39 GMT
#4
Yeah I like this list a lot better too.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
September 04 2018 00:46 GMT
#5
This is a pretty decent list. Not sure if Last should go that high or not, but the rest checks out imo.
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10097 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-04 00:52:40
September 04 2018 00:51 GMT
#6
On September 04 2018 09:25 N-KO wrote:
I was kind of appalled that flash wasn't in the list, but now that he's on the list I'm even more appalled that you moved him from out of the top 10 to 1st.

What does this list even mean if you can just freely move people up and down on whims.

Read the description for FlaSh. I acknowledged that he should have been on the PR last time, probably easily in the top 5 if not top 3. Therefore, while it seems strange that FlaSh shoots up to #1, just pretend that he was there before and his move up is not extreme. Forgot to mention he's also still #1 sponmatches.

On September 04 2018 09:28 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2018 09:25 N-KO wrote:
I was kind of appalled that flash wasn't in the list, but now that he's on the list I'm even more appalled that you moved him from out of the top 10 to 1st.

What does this list even mean if you can just freely move people up and down on whims.

It means we heard you guys and are willing to make better considerations in the future.

My one disagreement is Horang2 over sharp, but other then that the list is solid. I'm glad mind is finally out too.

Sharp will move up when his other matchups are solved. Currently he is a TvT 1-trick pony, managed to draw Sea twice in his group. His TvP is embarassing and his TvZ is mediocre right now.

On September 04 2018 09:46 BigFan wrote:
This is a pretty decent list. Not sure if Last should go that high or not, but the rest checks out imo.

Last goes this high because he's proved that most of his matchups are solid. He's the 2nd best TvP player right now outside of FlaSh, which although isn't much to say considering the weak Terran line right now, is still very solid, and his TvT has been traditionally a cornerstone of Last's play. Him showing that he can TvZ against one of the best Zergs right now in Soulkey warrants me putting him in at least the top5, and didn't feel like there was a 4th player better than him. Any thoughts who would've been 4th instead?
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19214 Posts
September 04 2018 00:56 GMT
#7
On September 04 2018 09:51 FlaShFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2018 09:25 N-KO wrote:
I was kind of appalled that flash wasn't in the list, but now that he's on the list I'm even more appalled that you moved him from out of the top 10 to 1st.

What does this list even mean if you can just freely move people up and down on whims.

Read the description for FlaSh. I acknowledged that he should have been on the PR last time, probably easily in the top 5 if not top 3. Therefore, while it seems strange that FlaSh shoots up to #1, just pretend that he was there before and his move up is not extreme. Forgot to mention he's also still #1 sponmatches.

Show nested quote +
On September 04 2018 09:28 BisuDagger wrote:
On September 04 2018 09:25 N-KO wrote:
I was kind of appalled that flash wasn't in the list, but now that he's on the list I'm even more appalled that you moved him from out of the top 10 to 1st.

What does this list even mean if you can just freely move people up and down on whims.

It means we heard you guys and are willing to make better considerations in the future.

My one disagreement is Horang2 over sharp, but other then that the list is solid. I'm glad mind is finally out too.

Sharp will move up when his other matchups are solved. Currently he is a TvT 1-trick pony, managed to draw Sea twice in his group. His TvP is embarassing and his TvZ is mediocre right now.

Show nested quote +
On September 04 2018 09:46 BigFan wrote:
This is a pretty decent list. Not sure if Last should go that high or not, but the rest checks out imo.

Last goes this high because he's proved that most of his matchups are solid. He's the 2nd best TvP player right now outside of FlaSh, which although isn't much to say considering the weak Terran line right now, is still very solid, and his TvT has been traditionally a cornerstone of Last's play. Him showing that he can TvZ against one of the best Zergs right now in Soulkey warrants me putting him in at least the top5, and didn't feel like there was a 4th player better than him. Any thoughts who would've been 4th instead?

Agreed about Sharp. Honesty no one deserves 10 lol. Horang2 PvT is his one trick pony too lol.
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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
September 04 2018 00:57 GMT
#8
^ Sharp's TvZ is just sad to watch. Feels like he doesn't know how to play the matchup which is surprising to me. His TvT is great though, agree. As for who can take spot 4, no clue. I think the list is pretty good overall and I agree with most of it.
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Rodya
Profile Joined January 2018
546 Posts
September 04 2018 00:57 GMT
#9
Hmm... is Last a top four player?? Even though Soulkey lost to Last I still don't think that Last > Soulkey.

Also Horang over Shuttle doesn't seem right to me either. Getting knocked out by Flash on the one hand and Jaedong/Soulkey on the other hand doesn't mean you're not a top 10 player. I don't think you have a good argument for Horang at number 10 to be honest.

Btw thanks for writing this, it's fun to read them.
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TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1006 Posts
September 04 2018 01:16 GMT
#10
Id like to see Mini higher
Happy about Mind absence
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10097 Posts
September 04 2018 01:30 GMT
#11
On September 04 2018 09:56 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2018 09:51 FlaShFTW wrote:
On September 04 2018 09:25 N-KO wrote:
I was kind of appalled that flash wasn't in the list, but now that he's on the list I'm even more appalled that you moved him from out of the top 10 to 1st.

What does this list even mean if you can just freely move people up and down on whims.

Read the description for FlaSh. I acknowledged that he should have been on the PR last time, probably easily in the top 5 if not top 3. Therefore, while it seems strange that FlaSh shoots up to #1, just pretend that he was there before and his move up is not extreme. Forgot to mention he's also still #1 sponmatches.

On September 04 2018 09:28 BisuDagger wrote:
On September 04 2018 09:25 N-KO wrote:
I was kind of appalled that flash wasn't in the list, but now that he's on the list I'm even more appalled that you moved him from out of the top 10 to 1st.

What does this list even mean if you can just freely move people up and down on whims.

It means we heard you guys and are willing to make better considerations in the future.

My one disagreement is Horang2 over sharp, but other then that the list is solid. I'm glad mind is finally out too.

Sharp will move up when his other matchups are solved. Currently he is a TvT 1-trick pony, managed to draw Sea twice in his group. His TvP is embarassing and his TvZ is mediocre right now.

On September 04 2018 09:46 BigFan wrote:
This is a pretty decent list. Not sure if Last should go that high or not, but the rest checks out imo.

Last goes this high because he's proved that most of his matchups are solid. He's the 2nd best TvP player right now outside of FlaSh, which although isn't much to say considering the weak Terran line right now, is still very solid, and his TvT has been traditionally a cornerstone of Last's play. Him showing that he can TvZ against one of the best Zergs right now in Soulkey warrants me putting him in at least the top5, and didn't feel like there was a 4th player better than him. Any thoughts who would've been 4th instead?

Agreed about Sharp. Honesty no one deserves 10 lol. Horang2 PvT is his one trick pony too lol.

Secretly I'm purposely making the 10th place weak so that I can put MIsO in next month

On September 04 2018 10:16 TornadoSteve wrote:
Id like to see Mini higher
Happy about Mind absence

Mini lost to both Last and Soulkey, so he's automatically lower than 7th. Don't think he's higher than Snow, you could make an argument for Mini over BeSt since he's got better PvP but probably weaker PvT.

On September 04 2018 09:57 Rodya wrote:
Hmm... is Last a top four player?? Even though Soulkey lost to Last I still don't think that Last > Soulkey.

Also Horang over Shuttle doesn't seem right to me either. Getting knocked out by Flash on the one hand and Jaedong/Soulkey on the other hand doesn't mean you're not a top 10 player. I don't think you have a good argument for Horang at number 10 to be honest.

Btw thanks for writing this, it's fun to read them.

Shuttle hasn't even played games where I felt like he put up a fight. All games against Jaedong looked like a wash and yeah, while Jaedong started to look more in form during that series, it was just a complete walk over. Maybe it's just that against really good players he's just not even putting up a fight but needless to say, those games against Jaedong and FlaSh were just straight embarrassing.

Thanks! I just hope that I can improve it over time since we're only 2 editions in, but anything to keep the SC:R momentum going is something I'll do to help.
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Toss_Master
Profile Joined June 2017
United States46 Posts
September 04 2018 01:45 GMT
#12
Good ranking!
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
September 04 2018 02:05 GMT
#13
Jaedong is in fact infamous for LWWW in bw, not LLWWW, he could not of sustained his amazing win rate if he was known for dropping two games.
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TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1006 Posts
September 04 2018 02:31 GMT
#14
After ive watched a ton of Shuttle games, i really feel like the guy has peaked. His mechanics are among the best in the circuit, but he just doesn't have that game sense to be with those guys in a top10.
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9990 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-04 03:37:07
September 04 2018 03:30 GMT
#15
EffOrt should easily be in the top 10 over Horang2, other 9 players are fine tho.
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Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4122 Posts
September 04 2018 03:51 GMT
#16
Flash and Jaedong #1 and #2 in power rank, what year is this?!
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania7775 Posts
September 04 2018 05:00 GMT
#17
Just like on the ladder !
FLASH AND JAEDONG #1 AND #2
I JUST CAN'T GET ENOUGH OF THIS !
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10097 Posts
September 04 2018 05:25 GMT
#18
On September 04 2018 12:30 TT1 wrote:
EffOrt should easily be in the top 10 over Horang2, other 9 players are fine tho.

Effort is a known choker now and definitely over the hump. idk anyone could go in that 10th place and no one would be satisfied. I based it off overall performance in that last KSL mostly :/
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PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5214 Posts
September 04 2018 06:18 GMT
#19
Would have put Light there instead of Horang2 and also unsure about Larva being there since he's missing out on tourneys. But with everything else I can agree and many thanks for writing it up and letting people debate and nitpick.
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oEkY
Profile Joined August 2016
Germany648 Posts
September 04 2018 06:19 GMT
#20
Its nice to have those past 2 Power Ranks in august/september, but i really hoped for an extended september version which would include all ASL participants :/

Btw after Horang2 (who would be #9, cause Larva doesnt participate in ASL) i would rank the remaining participants like this (if anyone mind to discuss the lower ranked players as well):

Effort (10) --> Shuttle (11) --> Action (12) --> Mind (13) --> Light (14) --> Mong (15) --> Stork (16) --> Sharp (17) --> Miso (18) --> Sea (19) --> Shine (20) --> Movie (21) --> Killer (22) --> Rush (23)--> Guemchi (24) --> Calm (25) --> Sacsri (26) --> Yerim2 (27) --> Eros_Byul (28)

TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1006 Posts
September 04 2018 06:25 GMT
#21
Movie 28 AINEC
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Profile Joined March 2017
China1609 Posts
September 04 2018 06:30 GMT
#22
Time to calculate ASL+KSL ELO ranking, plus KRS, like KeSPA era :-)
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TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9990 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-04 08:16:54
September 04 2018 08:00 GMT
#23
On September 04 2018 14:25 FlaShFTW wrote:
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On September 04 2018 12:30 TT1 wrote:
EffOrt should easily be in the top 10 over Horang2, other 9 players are fine tho.

Effort is a known choker now and definitely over the hump. idk anyone could go in that 10th place and no one would be satisfied. I based it off overall performance in that last KSL mostly :/


Then why is Larva #6 when he couldn't even qualify for KSL? Online EffOrt has been the best performing Zerg (by far) prior to ASL 6, he's also a proven offline vet (OSL/SSL champion etc.).

When you have a championship calibre player performing extremely well online putting him in the top 10 of a PR is pretty much a no brainer.. instead Horang2 is #10?

FlaSh's sponbbang winrate vs zergs since last month:

김정우 3:3 김민철 17:3 임홍규 10:3 이제동 5:2 김성대 3:0 배병우 1:0

3-3 vs EffOrt, 17-3 vs SK, 10-3 vs Larva, 5-2 vs JD, 3-0 vs Action

EffOrt's sponbbang WR since last month:
4 김정우 Z 96 65 31 67.7% 1255.7
4th in overall ELO // 65-31 // 67.7% WR // 1255.7 ELO

So yea.. i doubt the highest ELO zerg is "over the hump". On top of that EffOrt is playing tough opponents in his sponbbang matches, unlike Light (who's also high in ELO but he's pretty much farming low tier players).
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FyRe_DragOn
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada2055 Posts
September 04 2018 08:15 GMT
#24
damn i didnt know effort was doing so well online..i havent watched his stream in forever cuz it seemed like he always did UMS for a while. Looking forward to his play in ASL6, its about time hes had a deep run
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whaski
Profile Joined December 2012
Finland576 Posts
September 04 2018 09:26 GMT
#25
On September 04 2018 15:19 oEkY wrote:
Its nice to have those past 2 Power Ranks in august/september, but i really hoped for an extended september version which would include all ASL participants :/

Btw after Horang2 (who would be #9, cause Larva doesnt participate in ASL) i would rank the remaining participants like this (if anyone mind to discuss the lower ranked players as well):

Effort (10) --> Shuttle (11) --> Action (12) --> Mind (13) --> Light (14) --> Mong (15) --> Stork (16) --> Sharp (17) --> Miso (18) --> Sea (19) --> Shine (20) --> Movie (21) --> Killer (22) --> Rush (23)--> Guemchi (24) --> Calm (25) --> Sacsri (26) --> Yerim2 (27) --> Eros_Byul (28)



I would rank Effort then to #9, he has been very impressive online, when Horang2 seems still struggle too much against zerg. And Mind has been looking horrible either way, streaming PUGB more than bw ☹️. I am pretty sure, that nowdays even Sea is playing better than Mind...
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Sr18
Profile Joined April 2006
Netherlands1141 Posts
September 04 2018 10:02 GMT
#26
Does this list mean that Horang2 will win the next International?
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prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania7775 Posts
September 04 2018 10:21 GMT
#27
Speaking of Effort , apart JD, he has the best mechanics imo from all zergs out there !
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Kurao
Profile Joined April 2018
215 Posts
September 04 2018 12:59 GMT
#28
Good ranking! I think Last absolutely deserves his spot; beating Soulkey in a TvZ is no easy feat. And most importantly, the top 2 spots are reserved for the right people
SlayerS_BunkiE
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada1707 Posts
September 04 2018 14:37 GMT
#29
nice write up. glad to see flash back.
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ortseam
Profile Joined April 2015
996 Posts
September 04 2018 15:55 GMT
#30
On September 04 2018 19:21 prosatan wrote:
Speaking of Effort , apart JD, he has the best mechanics imo from all zergs out there !

Koreans consider him to have the worst muta micro out of all zerg progamers, I think it was Lemmata who mentioned this recently.
Odoakar
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia1835 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-04 16:03:32
September 04 2018 15:59 GMT
#31
nice list. For me it would be nicer if the count started from 10 to 1...it would build more hype reading it.
iFU.pauline
Profile Joined September 2009
France1511 Posts
September 04 2018 16:05 GMT
#32
On September 04 2018 12:30 TT1 wrote:
EffOrt should easily be in the top 10 over Horang2, other 9 players are fine tho.


Based on skill no question about that but I believe this power rank is related to official games. Now I am excited because he is reducing his 3v3@hunter time for more training, probably because of asl, i believe his group is easy, I mean everytime I saw effort playing vs stork it was pure anal rape. Can't wait to see him gaining the spot his skill deserves. Effort I am counting on you, please show who is the real ultimate god of zvt.
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10097 Posts
September 04 2018 16:55 GMT
#33
On September 05 2018 00:59 Odoakar wrote:
nice list. For me it would be nicer if the count started from 10 to 1...it would build more hype reading it.

this wad how the old brood war power rank was formatted so we wanted to stay as close to it while modernizing the graphics
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outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
September 04 2018 22:19 GMT
#34
FlaSh and JD on top, what a time to be alive! Fingers crossed for FvJ bo5 rematch.
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Pvvned
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States405 Posts
September 04 2018 22:43 GMT
#35
flash and jaedong top 2 in the rankings

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Moopower
Profile Joined May 2017
127 Posts
September 04 2018 22:58 GMT
#36
sigh, no protoss can truly replace bisu's pvz match up... all protoss struggle against zerg no one dominates pvz ever like bisu did...
reincremate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China2213 Posts
September 06 2018 02:59 GMT
#37
On September 05 2018 07:58 Moopower wrote:
sigh, no protoss can truly replace bisu's pvz match up... all protoss struggle against zerg no one dominates pvz ever like bisu did...

That just means more TvZ! The best matchup in the world!
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania7775 Posts
September 06 2018 07:45 GMT
#38
On September 05 2018 00:55 ortseam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2018 19:21 prosatan wrote:
Speaking of Effort , apart JD, he has the best mechanics imo from all zergs out there !

Koreans consider him to have the worst muta micro out of all zerg progamers, I think it was Lemmata who mentioned this recently.

Really? i didn't know that
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rackdude
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States882 Posts
September 20 2018 02:47 GMT
#39
On September 04 2018 19:21 prosatan wrote:
Speaking of Effort , apart JD, he has the best mechanics imo from all zergs out there !


I wouldn't say JD has the best mechanics at all. In fact, when you watch his games it always seems like his macro is a bit behind when comparing it to someone like Soulkey or hero, and some of his micro is a bit off. But what JD does well and has always done well is he makes some damn good decisions. JD always looks like he has too few units and threw a few away, then makes a gorgeous decision and you go "huh, looks like he's going to win now". I think that's why he's so fun to watch.

And I think Snow is too low. He showed some PvZ weakness, but I don't think it's so bad because in the PvZs he won he showed some great strengths. He just needs to patch up (the walls in) his early game. When he doesn't let lings into his base he has a good winrate, the issue is the amount that he lets lings into his base...
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Moopower
Profile Joined May 2017
127 Posts
September 20 2018 03:08 GMT
#40
When will we ever get more PvZ specialists?
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9990 Posts
September 20 2018 05:25 GMT
#41
On September 20 2018 12:08 Moopower wrote:
When will we ever get more PvZ specialists?


Hmmm.. specialist(s)? Plural? Other than Bisu have we really had another good PvZ'er? :D
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TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9990 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-09 12:08:45
October 09 2018 11:47 GMT
#42
hmm.. ^.^
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19214 Posts
October 09 2018 12:37 GMT
#43
On October 09 2018 20:47 TT1 wrote:
hmm.. ^.^

That's seriously tough because you have to start looking for snipers and not overall stats. There may be protoss players with few games played but were always sent versus Zerg. To put is simply though, no one even makes a close second. (P)Movie and (P)Stats have the second highest elo versus Zerg which is incredible because they spent less time in the Kespa Scene then other protoss players.

If you have to choose a close second I'd have to say it's (P)Stats. He has an 8 game win streak versus Zerg, but if you narrow the criteria to just team league he has an incredible 11 game win streak versus Zerg in 2011. Too add some gravy to this stat, this streak equals the highest team league vs Zerg streak by Flash and Jaedong. I'm sure Letmelose would have an interesting take on this, but that's my best analysis.
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Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
October 09 2018 12:45 GMT
#44
I think the major reason for a lack of PvZ specialists is in Proleague it made more sense to try and snipe a zerg with a Terran than it did a Protoss. Same reason there's lots of ZvP specialists and very few ZvT specialists, made more sense to send a protoss against a terran than it did a zerg.
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19214 Posts
October 09 2018 13:33 GMT
#45
On October 09 2018 21:45 Qikz wrote:
I think the major reason for a lack of PvZ specialists is in Proleague it made more sense to try and snipe a zerg with a Terran than it did a Protoss. Same reason there's lots of ZvP specialists and very few ZvT specialists, made more sense to send a protoss against a terran than it did a zerg.

That's true, but the very talented players in specific matchups established a name regardless. Like Soulkey being a ZvT specialist. I guess it's amazing to me that I could name 2-3 more Zergs that excel at ZvT yet the list ends with Bisu in PvZ lol.
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Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
October 09 2018 13:38 GMT
#46
On September 20 2018 14:25 TT1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2018 12:08 Moopower wrote:
When will we ever get more PvZ specialists?


Hmmm.. specialist(s)? Plural? Other than Bisu have we really had another good PvZ'er? :D


From a historical perspective, GARIMTO in his prime was a godly protoss-versus-zerg player, thanks to his famed early zealot micro-management (he once said he used to purposefully avoided dragoon first builds in the protoss-versus-terran match-up because he loved zealots so much). He did win his first ever OGN StarLeague in 2000 thanks to his insane protoss-versus-zerg abilities.
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iFU.pauline
Profile Joined September 2009
France1511 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-09 20:55:31
October 09 2018 16:39 GMT
#47
The major reason for a lack of pvz "specialists" is that the actual top zergs are stronger than them simple as that. Effort Jaedong are on a league beyond all current protoss. So it is no surprise that as soon as they are in good shape their opponent are no match. I think it was + Show Spoiler [Ro8 spoilers] +
made pretty clear watching Rain vs Jaedong and now Effort, it was like crocodile versus chihuahua
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10097 Posts
October 09 2018 20:13 GMT
#48
On October 09 2018 20:47 TT1 wrote:
hmm.. ^.^

You also realize that EffORt managed to choke every Ro24 and Ro16 before this ASL right?
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BigFan
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TLADT24920 Posts
October 09 2018 20:55 GMT
#49
Guys, please avoid spoilers in this thread or use spoiler tags!
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