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GeckoXp
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Germany2016 Posts
August 11 2018 14:36 GMT
#41
could you please post that again using english? it's hard to decipher that gibberish.
Kingdom[NaS]
Profile Joined April 2018
74 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-11 14:40:09
August 11 2018 14:39 GMT
#42
S starts at 2030 on Korea too. Way harder to Get There if your playing at Koreans times
JungleTerrain
Profile Joined January 2012
Chile799 Posts
August 11 2018 15:07 GMT
#43
There is nothing wrong with complaining about a feature that was just implemented and doesn't work as intended. This leaves room for calibration on Blizzard's part. Although there are people that don't care about rank, there are many others that do, and BW has a long history of different ladders with ranks that actually mean something. I wasn't around in the WGT/PGT days, but being on Fish, there was just something "right" about going into the ladder channel and seeing one or two guys with S rank and realizing that it's Bisu or somebody else. You go on the stream list and you see their stream and it's actually them. I always thought that was pretty cool and how ranks should feel in terms of "weight".
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Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-11 15:21:20
August 11 2018 15:20 GMT
#44
God the bw community has become tiring and pathetic. Re: the totally unimportant rank issue. Artosis mmr is roughly around where machine or nyokens are, yet they ladder in different zones. Either way, ladder rank distribution has to be relative to natural skill ranks/things that are appreciably reachable. Complaining that foreigners can achieve high ranks is counter productive to the ladder, condescending to the players who have achieved success and weirdly masochistic all rolled into one.
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Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12027 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-11 15:34:12
August 11 2018 15:26 GMT
#45
My opinion has always been that ladder ranks are pointless and are entirely useless at explaining how good someone is. It's good for a self sense of progression, but none of the top players care what rank they are or if someone is worse than them. Tournaments are what matter. So why does it matter how many S rank players there are?

The other thing is the people that discriminate based on rank as well are hilarious. It's just as ridiculous as the people in WoW who form groups based on itemlevel and not experience.
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castleeMg
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Canada786 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-11 15:59:56
August 11 2018 15:42 GMT
#46
im just going to say the idea blizzard had putting the rank groups into % is very silly and somewhat amateurish.... my reason being is that, they have this system in starcraft 2 right? like GM = top 200 per server and the rest of the players are masters - bronze and based on what % they fall into. which seems to work fine on sc2 because its harder to make multiple accounts... starcraft remastered you can make 400 alt accounts you wanted and as far as i know, even if you delete an account it remains on ladder (i could be wrong, havent tried it in a while). but the issue with that is, many people may only play 10 or so games per account getting lets say a 1550 mmr for an example, pushing everyone above that into a higher % rank. so basically what im saying is.. theres going to be waaaay more dead accounts at low MMR in sc:r always pushing the ranks up higher no matter what... its a bad system to use % to determine ranks.

to add on to that, most decent players wont smurf multiple accounts, they see no purpose in playing people worse than them for free points. i think most of the smurfing will be done sub 1650 mmr, making it easier to get A..... cause think about it, mass accounts at mid-low MMR, will just generate more A, S. you can go on right now, play a few ladder games on a new ID, get lets say 1500 MMR rating, and theoretically boost your main account at 1700 account, right ?
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arew
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Lithuania1861 Posts
August 11 2018 17:06 GMT
#47
On August 11 2018 23:13 onlystar wrote:
na we are different people than you are fine with having youre B/C rank on the eu server while its like at best a D rank at the korean server enjoy my friend

you keep saying that only mmr counts while you KNOW that is not true as soon as they introduce letter ranks that what people will hang to (its how ladders work) ''what rank are you?'' the answer will be in A/B/C/D etc
nobody bothers to look at the points

you happily ignoring the problems of the ladder you would like it if you have gotten up to the B ranks and some mediocore player on useast is at S/A ranks while you beat this guy 3-0 with eaz keep saying that doesn't matter hell the reality is way different its happening right now koreans are pissed off about how easy it is to get S/A ranks on the EU server but just to strong your argument ignore that.

i played since 1999 played gamei wgt pgt even
lets pull it out ? thats the level you are at lets measure it...


Yes, please pull it out, I'd very much like to see/know your best rank and laugh my ass of while you throw your arguments and statements like this.
"na we are different people than you are fine with having youre B/C rank on the eu server" :D LOL - I haven't played for about 4 years SC:BW and yet I got two accounts at A (one is at 1920 and another at 1850 on EU, the third one is A at 1780 on Korea server playing with VPN only, but wait, more is yet to come! Had A- at PGT back in the day and A multiple times at iCCup while the game was still "alive" ) I don't even want to start comparing more past results when I was actively playing with some random guy who just can complaint and can't keep his little mout shut while whining about how unfair the ladder system is. LOL

It is easy to get A rank, most likely S as well, but I still don't see this being a problem at all since as I've mentioned like multiple times that MMR matters and thats what you should care about.
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onlystar
Profile Joined March 2015
United States971 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-12 03:44:52
August 11 2018 17:30 GMT
#48
On August 12 2018 02:06 arew wrote:
It is easy to get A rank, most likely S as well, but I still don't see this being a problem at all since as I've mentioned like multiple times that MMR matters and thats what you should care about.

yes arew that is the problem you displayed it perfectly right now if players like me and you are able to get up to S 2000mmr rank we are in the same rank as Flash..

S is exclusive to the very best players on the ladder as stated before top tier progamers
top foreigners come at least 1or 2 ranks below that because that is at minimum the skill gap between flash and top foreigners.


...btw guys anyone up for a circle jerk on arews pgt A- achievement im down?

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arew
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Lithuania1861 Posts
August 11 2018 17:43 GMT
#49
On August 12 2018 02:30 onlystar wrote:
yes arew that is the problem u displayed it perfectly right now if players like me and you are able to get up to S 2000mmr rank we are in the same rank as Flash..

S is exclusive to the very best players on the ladder as stated before top tier progamers
top foreigners come at least 1or 2 ranks below that because that is at minimum the skill gap between flash and top foreigners.


...btw guys anyone up for a circle jerk on arews pgt A- achievement im down?


For PGT back in the early days, there you go http://sc-player.marw.net/player-stat-list.php?sc=1&st_player_id=59457

As for ranking system, I agree and disagree at the same point. Yes, it would be great to have a seperate rank where the only very very few ones would be able to reach (like 0.5% of global players), but I'm so sure that there might be people who would actually complain about it due to multiple accounts possibility.

What I find great, is to have strictly MMR based ranking system, lets say 1800 = B, 2100 = A, 2500 = S, 3000+ = S+ or something like that, by doing so nobody would need to care about multiple account issue and we'd know that to reach 2500+ MMR is only skilled based, not the % of global players.
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onlystar
Profile Joined March 2015
United States971 Posts
August 11 2018 17:45 GMT
#50
i was being sarcastic btw pgt is probably the most easy ladder there has been off all off them with the easy bonus points to rank up
arew
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Lithuania1861 Posts
August 11 2018 17:49 GMT
#51
On August 12 2018 02:45 onlystar wrote:
i was being sarcastic btw pgt is probably the most easy ladder there has been off all off them with the easy bonus points to rank up


You must be joking.
750/750 emotions fully stacked
onlystar
Profile Joined March 2015
United States971 Posts
August 11 2018 17:51 GMT
#52
no thats how most of the players look back at pgtour
onlystar
Profile Joined March 2015
United States971 Posts
August 11 2018 17:51 GMT
#53
deff if you compare it to something like fish elo system
Poegim
Profile Joined February 2017
Poland267 Posts
August 11 2018 21:13 GMT
#54
Fish wasnt elo, it was predefined like iccup.
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GeckoXp
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Germany2016 Posts
August 11 2018 21:18 GMT
#55
On August 12 2018 02:30 onlystar wrote:
...btw guys anyone up for a circle jerk on arews pgt A- achievement im down?


(Wiki)arew

you are quite dense
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10310 Posts
August 12 2018 02:27 GMT
#56
On August 10 2018 20:33 ProtossGG wrote:
jor_daddy has A rank and so I rest my case (or at least he did hit it a few days ago I recall)


That's it, shut it down, burn it to the ground. We need to start from scratch. Something is clearly wrong beyond repair here.
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blabber
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4448 Posts
August 12 2018 23:14 GMT
#57
I'm B rank and I just played someone who was doing placement matches and had 32 APM and no real build whatsoever. I'm guessing there's just not enough people playing
blabberrrrr
Chuckkkwondo
Profile Joined August 2018
2 Posts
August 12 2018 23:56 GMT
#58
So you run to icCup?
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-13 00:09:07
August 13 2018 00:09 GMT
#59
On August 13 2018 08:14 blabber wrote:
I'm B rank and I just played someone who was doing placement matches and had 32 APM and no real build whatsoever. I'm guessing there's just not enough people playing
This is what happens with region lock. Small community with high variation and a death on the top foreign level in terms of que times, so they begin to dodge the ladder with vpn, and on and on it goes rippling downward. region lock match making isnt sustainable.
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Gorgonoth
Profile Joined August 2017
United States468 Posts
August 13 2018 03:15 GMT
#60
For some reason I am getting mostly super competitive matches in the 1450-1550 MMR range. Havent gotten a pure noob in forever
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