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seeing all these S/A ranks in 2000~1800 mmr is kinda b/s dont you guys think..?
its not suppose to be like this S rank should be the top of the ladder so just because people can play the ''top'' of the ladder on EU you get an S/A rank rank for a having a high mmr thats high on EU its so silly.
ggzerg wrote up a post how the system seemed flawed and need rework why is the topic removed? whats wrong with discussing this? or is it too premature to judge yet because we have just started the ladder and things will even out eventually? it just looks like a mock up if you ask me.
edit so is this how we want it to be? an S rank EU is 2200~2000 mmr while an S rank Korea is like 2600~2400??
so an S rank EU is is the same as a B rank Korea? its nonsense
we are down to that silly sc2 system where every league has its S/A ranks to keep the babies happy(here A/B/C ranks for everybody even if you cant have it on the korea server)
S ranks should be ONLY for the highest MMR that is available (korea server) other servers bite the dust and dont follow up with own S/A ranks with lower MMRS it beats the purpouse of a ladder to have 4 ladders in 1 ladder god thats pissing me off
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do you know that korea server is getting S rank aswell starting with 2000 mmr right ?
anyway i agree that the requirement to S rank right now is very low.
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Last time i watched flash got S rank at 2400 mmr a couple of days ago
Why it only 2000 mmr now than ? ( what a load of bs)
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You clearly don't understand the ranking system, and didn't bother reading the patch notes -- after x weeks the ladder changed to be percentage based rather than mmr based, which is why there is suddenly 625 S ranks, and it's only going to increase from this point on.
Although I absolutely agree that S rank means nothing, which is especially tragic in sc:bw, a game that has historically always had incredibly difficult to acquire top ranks -- imagine wgtour, pgtour, iccup or fish with over 625 accounts at the highest rank, it would have meant absolutely nothing. Blizzard are seemingly just straight up ignorant when it comes to the history of their own game, which is sad but not surprising.
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On August 10 2018 17:56 Avi-Love wrote:
You clearly don't understand the ranking system, and didn't bother reading the patch notes -- after x weeks the ladder changed to be percentage based rather than mmr based, which is why there is suddenly 625 S ranks, and it's only going to increase from this point on.
Although I absolutely agree that S rank means nothing, which is especially tragic in sc:bw, a game that has historically always had incredibly difficult to acquire top ranks -- imagine wgtour, pgtour, iccup or fish with over 625 accounts at the highest rank, it would have meant absolutely nothing. Blizzard are seemingly just straight up ignorant when it comes to the history of their own game, which is sad but not surprising.
I did read that its % based didn notice they would have it for all the servers witch is what makes it more skewed just seeing the way it plays out is beyond the worst expectation.
I have a hard time believing how imensly retarded blizzard really is with putting this new ranking system in place
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I guess it's time to introduce +- signs.
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They should change it for sure.
Like for me personally it should be like that:
A rank = top korean amateurs, MAYBE JUST MAYBE some of the top foreigners
S rank = top korean professionals
So maybe make A rank like top 3% globally and S rank top100 globally or so?
There are so many noobs that run around with A rank now that is beyond crazy lol
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Rank letters are only for decoration anyway, what's the big deal. What matters is MMR points.
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it should not be this way thats the problem. they killed Fish server where the letter ranks actually had value now they just wanna hand out S/A/B ranks to everyone to keep the noob babies happy
its a devaluation of respect for the ranks eventually thats a problem.
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Absolutely agree here.
On VPN, I'm struggling at ~1850 - 1950 ... you have foreigners who are not using VPN, holding 2000+ because they're getting paired only vs other foreigners for the most part.
I heard from some Koreans that you should take your "foreigner MMR" and -300 pts and that's your real MMR if you want to compare it to the koreans lol. Not sure how true that is, but I get the principle/overall logic behind what the koreans are saying in regards to this. They're equally upset that you have lots of foreigners in higher ranks.
jor_daddy has A rank and so I rest my case (or at least he did hit it a few days ago I recall)
...Anyways, practice is practice. I personally am choosing to play on kor vpn for the most part. Comparing ranks in the way the system is today is meaningless. If other foreigners are 2000 and I'm at 1800 but playing Korean VPN, it's fine by me. It's ultimately about the quality of games you're getting and the practice you're receiving ... even more important, perhaps, is the fun.
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The previous ranking system before adjustment made a lot more sense.
Being S rank at 2035 MMR? That kind of ruined the grind experience for me and I lost interest in laddering for now.
Grinding for S rank, that even Jordaddy might be able to obtain through 500 games, is not very rewarding.
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Jordaddy has the potential to be the Larva of foreigners.
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On August 10 2018 22:37 art_of_turtle wrote:
Jordaddy has the potential to be the Larva of foreigners.
cuba #1 kingdaddy SS rank
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By the end of the season 2400 will be s again. Which is completely proven by the fact the data they used from last season had it in that area. Of course the beginning of the season when it's way harder the mmr for a will be lower. The true problem is A is way to big. 7% is huge and that's why u see 1600-2000 A. 5he diffeeence beyween 1600 and 1900 is gigantic and tjebdifference between 1900 and 2000 is gigantic right now.
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1% or less would be more fitting for S rank the absolute top level., progamers and experts.
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Who is jordaddy? Seems like a fair amount of people know him lol
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On August 11 2018 00:18 onlystar wrote:
1% or less would be more fitting for S rank the absolute top level., progamers and experts.
Far less than 1%. Because if it's 1%, assuming a 30k player population (I think it's slightly higher than this?) is still 300 people.
S rank should be reserved for like the top10 or top15 players, or something very exclusive like that. I think for exclusive ranks like this, it's not good to use percentage based systems. (e.g. top 1% or top 7% ....)
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Youre right this ladder is exceptionele big in player base 7% is just huge
I like the idear of % based ranks
and dynamic boarders but in practice its NOT working out
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They really just need to fine tune it. .5 % for S. Then take 3% for A andsplit a in to A- a a+ for each %. Or 6% then every 2 %
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What it really comes down to is the difference between placement matches and starting at 0 like iccup wgtour pgt w/e. Iccup u start at 0 or 1000 pts i think? and you have to play through the D and C ranks before u even start to hit competent players. Then you get to C+, B- after about 30-40 games. Now what placement matches do is skip all that. So just getting placed in to the 1600- 1700 area saves you 30 games of leveling up your mmr. But this also makes the beginning of a season much easier to achieve an A or S rank. This is due to the fact that all the good players are being dumped in to 1600 1700 area together as opposed to all the good players getting put in E and having to fight up from there. If you recall at the beginning of an iccup season just getting to B- was pretty hard but then at the end of the season it was not. Also you must consider that each iccup season started from the beginning. In SCr you are getting credit for your last year of ladder instead of starting from 0 every season.
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On August 11 2018 00:44 ProtossGG wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2018 00:18 onlystar wrote:
1% or less would be more fitting for S rank the absolute top level., progamers and experts. Far less than 1%. Because if it's 1%, assuming a 30k player population (I think it's slightly higher than this?) is still 300 people. S rank should be reserved for like the top10 or top15 players, or something very exclusive like that. I think for exclusive ranks like this, it's not good to use percentage based systems. (e.g. top 1% or top 7% ....)
top pros multi account so unless you want to see flash and mind take up most of the S ranks, you need more spots in S
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fine make it top 50 thats all possible dont nitpick look at the bigger picture ladder ranks as it is right now is a disgrace.
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set top 50 for S ranks and introduce a unique like G(GOD) rank exclusive only to the best record.
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Yes a set number of top players like in league of legends where only the top 200 are “Challenger” rank. Back in like 2013 it was top 50. Although each server has their own top 200. I think it makes more sense to do top 200 worldwide in SCR (based on what the community wants). Obviously another number can be chosen.
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S should be like top 100 or 50. And it's ridiculous that servers have their own varying percentages? If that is so, that is absolutely terrible. Wtf Blizzard. Mmr and rank should be global. (And people shouldn't have to use VPN-s.....)
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What's the point of such thread though? Are people just salty that there are a lot of S/A ranked people and most can't reach it or? As some of you guys here have mentioned, it is only a letter so why do even bother about it, especially if you're not there.
The most important thing is MMR anyways, so thats why top koreans ar the top of the rankings with a huge gap from everyone else, because they are progamers.
Two things I see weird in current games:
1. Ranked games giving +0 points when you face way lower opponents, it should give at least +1, because it is still a ranked game.
2. Also, I don't mind waiting 3 minutes at european ladder if I'd be matched with a great foreigner or korean instead of D/E ranked guy and receiving like +4 points per win and wasting 10 minutes of play time.
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no worries theyre looking into making some changes for next season, the changes are gonna be good
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On August 11 2018 17:09 arew wrote:
What's the point of such thread though? Are people just salty that there are a lot of S/A ranked people and most can't reach it or? As some of you guys here have mentioned, it is only a letter so why do even bother about it, especially if you're not there.
The most important thing is MMR anyways, so thats why top koreans ar the top of the rankings with a huge gap from everyone else, because they are progamers.
Two things I see weird in current games:
1. Ranked games giving +0 points when you face way lower opponents, it should give at least +1, because it is still a ranked game.
2. Also, I don't mind waiting 3 minutes at european ladder if I'd be matched with a great foreigner or korean instead of D/E ranked guy and receiving like +4 points per win and wasting 10 minutes of play time.
yea sure... if something is skewed and demotivates players to reach for the higher rank why bother with it since it not concerns you? right why bother with anything thats wrong when it doesnt concern you good thinking there
its our ladder isnt it? low mmrs with S ranks reflects on the all the other regions i bet the korean server looks at the EU ladder like its a joke infact 100% sure of that
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On August 11 2018 17:17 onlystar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2018 17:09 arew wrote:
What's the point of such thread though? Are people just salty that there are a lot of S/A ranked people and most can't reach it or? As some of you guys here have mentioned, it is only a letter so why do even bother about it, especially if you're not there.
The most important thing is MMR anyways, so thats why top koreans ar the top of the rankings with a huge gap from everyone else, because they are progamers.
Two things I see weird in current games:
1. Ranked games giving +0 points when you face way lower opponents, it should give at least +1, because it is still a ranked game.
2. Also, I don't mind waiting 3 minutes at european ladder if I'd be matched with a great foreigner or korean instead of D/E ranked guy and receiving like +4 points per win and wasting 10 minutes of play time. yea sure... if something is skewed and demotivates players to reach for the higher rank why bother with it since it not concerns you? right why bother with anything thats wrong when it doesnt concern you good thinking there its our ladder isnt it? low mmrs with S ranks reflects on the all the other regions i bet the korean server looks at the EU ladder like its a joke infact 100% sure of that
Any ladder should be there to give you help to find opponents on a similar level. MMR or any kind of symbol is a gimmick, not more, it's nothing like a tournament or league win. If you're hunting for gimmicks you might be approaching the entire thing the wrong way. What arew mentioned is more important, if you don't get matched correctly, there's need to update the match making, not the gimmicks.
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what arew is discussing is always up for debate till infinity
its not something you can simply fix because of a lack on infomation how this happens how the matchmaking system is operating right now.
there can me so many possibilities like at that given moment/time there are no players ranked close to that player with low latency at that time to make the match on the ladder thus resulting into a poor match made between a lower rank and high ranked player its something you will have to live by if its lets say at non-peak hours on the non korean ladder since there is just a small player base.
but than again duo to lack of information we cant really tell what exactly happened only if its reported by 100s of players something is wrong.
too many people just simply think a matchmaking system is in place and takes away all the problem ladders have to face over the last 10 years which is of course complete nonsense the main problems are still the same as alway to big of a difference between players to have a low lan game and playing outside the ladder peak hours with low player base resulting its harder to find matches at your rank. these problems stay pretty much unless the player base grows allover the world
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If the match making has to filter and divide player pools by region due to technical difficulties, you will always run into problems like this. there's simply no point in going mad over such an unimportant detail, when the overall picture is flawed. if this really upsets you, you should take a long walk and reevaluate what you expect from a game: getting equal games you can learn from or some random icons, that make you feel somewhat good?
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On August 11 2018 17:17 onlystar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2018 17:09 arew wrote:
What's the point of such thread though? Are people just salty that there are a lot of S/A ranked people and most can't reach it or? As some of you guys here have mentioned, it is only a letter so why do even bother about it, especially if you're not there.
The most important thing is MMR anyways, so thats why top koreans ar the top of the rankings with a huge gap from everyone else, because they are progamers.
Two things I see weird in current games:
1. Ranked games giving +0 points when you face way lower opponents, it should give at least +1, because it is still a ranked game.
2. Also, I don't mind waiting 3 minutes at european ladder if I'd be matched with a great foreigner or korean instead of D/E ranked guy and receiving like +4 points per win and wasting 10 minutes of play time. yea sure... if something is skewed and demotivates players to reach for the higher rank why bother with it since it not concerns you? right why bother with anything thats wrong when it doesnt concern you good thinking there its our ladder isnt it? low mmrs with S ranks reflects on the all the other regions i bet the korean server looks at the EU ladder like its a joke infact 100% sure of that
It's been like that for ages and not only in StarCraft. People go to korea to bootcamp because general play level is way higher there. So what's your problem with koreans just being better than anyone else? Yes, on one hand it suxs, but on another one does it change anything? Not really.
Does it demotivate you to reach the higher rank? If so, then that's your motivation issue, not ladder's fault.
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On August 11 2018 18:18 arew wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2018 17:17 onlystar wrote:On August 11 2018 17:09 arew wrote:
What's the point of such thread though? Are people just salty that there are a lot of S/A ranked people and most can't reach it or? As some of you guys here have mentioned, it is only a letter so why do even bother about it, especially if you're not there.
The most important thing is MMR anyways, so thats why top koreans ar the top of the rankings with a huge gap from everyone else, because they are progamers.
Two things I see weird in current games:
1. Ranked games giving +0 points when you face way lower opponents, it should give at least +1, because it is still a ranked game.
2. Also, I don't mind waiting 3 minutes at european ladder if I'd be matched with a great foreigner or korean instead of D/E ranked guy and receiving like +4 points per win and wasting 10 minutes of play time. yea sure... if something is skewed and demotivates players to reach for the higher rank why bother with it since it not concerns you? right why bother with anything thats wrong when it doesnt concern you good thinking there its our ladder isnt it? low mmrs with S ranks reflects on the all the other regions i bet the korean server looks at the EU ladder like its a joke infact 100% sure of that It's been like that for ages and not only in StarCraft. People go to korea to bootcamp because general play level is way higher there. So what's your problem with koreans just being better than anyone else? Yes, on one hand it suxs, but on another one does it change anything? Not really. Does it demotivate you to reach the higher rank? If so, then that's your motivation issue, not ladder's fault.
no this situation is different from any ladder we have seen before
this ladder has 4 regions all with their own S~F ranks
before this we had Fish server S-F the ranks on the ladder are global thus making it fair to everyone
what blizzard is doing is having S ranks on EU available at 2000mmr while this can be in korea server at 2400mmr
thus S ranks and all those high Ranks S/A/B devaluating they dont mean anything anymore the letter is a joke
when you play on a ladder to improve competitiveness the ranks should be global S for the top ranks A under that thats the whole idear of a ladder isnt it? not that there are S ranks with lower mmr than A ranks on the korean server we might as well give everybody A/B ranks and say it dont matter you cant have 4 seperate ladders with each his own ranks inside one big ladder its goes against all logic of what a ladder is.
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I wouldn't worry too much about the high number of "A rank" players. The letters really don't matter in this system. Now, you have a number, a letter, and a win percentage. But those are really bad things to look at from a game-psychology point-of-view, because you then are trying to fit yourself into a certain expectation for yourself that may not be realistic. This puts extra pressure on you to simply win. The best goals are to improve your skill set, play against better players, have fun, and win games, in that order. If you're not improving your skills, you're going to get rolled. If your only goal is to win, you're going to try to play against worse players all the time because you don't want to lose. If you don't have fun, StarCraft will be a miserable chapter in your life.
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On August 11 2018 18:07 GeckoXp wrote:
If the match making has to filter and divide player pools by region due to technical difficulties, you will always run into problems like this. there's simply no point in going mad over such an unimportant detail, when the overall picture is flawed. if this really upsets you, you should take a long walk and reevaluate what you expect from a game: getting equal games you can learn from or some random icons, that make you feel somewhat good?
thats the thing blizzard is handing out icons in order to keep the foreign society happy here have youre A/BC ranks and some skins see you got B rank youre good!! while this is a false sense of skill.
its tragic since scbw has the most degradations in skill levels there is so much to gain the highest skill ceiling by noobyfing the region ladders like this people will get a false sense of skill without them pushing further (korea server rankings)
they are happy with there A/B ranks and dont even feel the need to improve not even aware of what the skill ceiling is
resulting in a poor competition but atleast youre happy wiht youre skin and icons.
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On August 11 2018 18:34 ninazerg wrote:
I wouldn't worry too much about the high number of "A rank" players. The letters really don't matter in this system. Now, you have a number, a letter, and a win percentage. But those are really bad things to look at from a game-psychology point-of-view, because you then are trying to fit yourself into a certain expectation for yourself that may not be realistic. This puts extra pressure on you to simply win. The best goals are to improve your skill set, play against better players, have fun, and win games, in that order. If you're not improving your skills, you're going to get rolled. If your only goal is to win, you're going to try to play against worse players all the time because you don't want to lose. If you don't have fun, StarCraft will be a miserable chapter in your life.
i disagree here look at Fish server S ranks for pro-level and A ranks for high expert amatures the letters meant exacly that there is no faking it. (besides from a couple of notorious discers stats abusers LOL)
a fierce competition is where scbw strives
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On August 11 2018 18:28 onlystar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2018 18:18 arew wrote:On August 11 2018 17:17 onlystar wrote:On August 11 2018 17:09 arew wrote:
What's the point of such thread though? Are people just salty that there are a lot of S/A ranked people and most can't reach it or? As some of you guys here have mentioned, it is only a letter so why do even bother about it, especially if you're not there.
The most important thing is MMR anyways, so thats why top koreans ar the top of the rankings with a huge gap from everyone else, because they are progamers.
Two things I see weird in current games:
1. Ranked games giving +0 points when you face way lower opponents, it should give at least +1, because it is still a ranked game.
2. Also, I don't mind waiting 3 minutes at european ladder if I'd be matched with a great foreigner or korean instead of D/E ranked guy and receiving like +4 points per win and wasting 10 minutes of play time. yea sure... if something is skewed and demotivates players to reach for the higher rank why bother with it since it not concerns you? right why bother with anything thats wrong when it doesnt concern you good thinking there its our ladder isnt it? low mmrs with S ranks reflects on the all the other regions i bet the korean server looks at the EU ladder like its a joke infact 100% sure of that It's been like that for ages and not only in StarCraft. People go to korea to bootcamp because general play level is way higher there. So what's your problem with koreans just being better than anyone else? Yes, on one hand it suxs, but on another one does it change anything? Not really. Does it demotivate you to reach the higher rank? If so, then that's your motivation issue, not ladder's fault. no this situation is different from any ladder we have seen before this ladder has 4 regions all with their own S~F ranks before this we had Fish server S-F the ranks on the ladder are global thus making it fair to everyone what blizzard is doing is having S ranks on EU available at 2000mmr while this can be in korea server at 2400mmr thus S ranks and all those high Ranks S/A/B devaluating they dont mean anything anymore the letter is a joke when you play on a ladder to improve competitiveness the ranks should be global S for the top ranks A under that thats the whole idear of a ladder isnt it? not that there are S ranks with lower mmr than A ranks on the korean server we might as well give everybody A/B ranks and say it dont matter you cant have 4 seperate ladders with each his own ranks inside one big ladder its goes against all logic of what a ladder is.
Yes, because every server is different lol and koreans are just miles ahead of everyone else. That's the whole point... If we'd have one server like PGT, ICCUP, Fish etc. then that would totally make sense, now - it doesn't and I don't even see a reason to argue with you anymore. Also, if you're playing on US East server or Europe, why the heck you should bother what's going on down there?
"when you play on a ladder to improve competitiveness the ranks should be global S for the top ranks A under that thats the whole idear of a ladder isnt it?" No, I disagree. The whole point of ladder is to have as high MMR as possible because MMR points actually measures people and puts one on top of another even though both have an S or A or B or whatever rank.
The more I try to understand you, the less sense you make and more and more whinny you look like.
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i dont expect you to understand to most folks they think having S/F ranks with different mmrs on every region is normal
like the sc2 ladder system every league has his top of the ''ladder'' its more of a generation gap most oldskool players know exactly how a competitive ladder works Fish/iCCup and that you cant have different A/S ranks across the ladder its just a flawed concept to keep foreign scene happy as blizzard does succesfully in sc2 its youre choice what you want get pampered by blizzard or have a real rank according to the mmr points you are able to get.
besides soner or later korea will make a statement things will change next season
or for the worst it will stay like this and east/eu/west willl be a mockup to the korean server
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On August 11 2018 22:34 onlystar wrote:
i dont expect you to understand to most folks they think having S/F ranks with different mmrs on every region is normal
like the sc2 ladder system every league has his top of the ''ladder'' its more of a generation gap most oldskool players know exactly how a competitive ladder works Fish/iCCup and that you cant have different A/S ranks across the ladder its just a flawed concept to keep foreign scene happy as blizzard does succesfully in sc2 its youre choice what you want get pampered by blizzard or have a real rank according to the mmr points you are able to get.
I've been playing SC:BW since 2005 and at quite high level since 2007 for about 7 years, played at WGT, PGT (which I think u got no clue what they are), iCCup and Fish so truly honestly speaking, I have no idea what you're talkin' about and how high you're.
I still don't see any issue having these letters and fixed amount of people in it since it's only letters and to repeat once more only MMR counts.
edit: By saying "oldskool player know" it just proves my point that you got no clue about old ladder servers and what we were up to, so please, don't talk like that since iCCup wasn't even an oldschool ladder.
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na we are different people than you are fine with having youre B/C rank on the eu server while its like at best a D rank at the korean server enjoy my friend 
you keep saying that only mmr counts while you KNOW that is not true as soon as they introduce letter ranks that what people will hang to (its how ladders work) ''what rank are you?'' the answer will be in A/B/C/D etc
nobody bothers to look at the points
you happily ignoring the problems of the ladder you would like it if you have gotten up to the B ranks and some mediocore player on useast is at S/A ranks while you beat this guy 3-0 with eaz keep saying that doesn't matter hell the reality is way different its happening right now koreans are pissed off about how easy it is to get S/A ranks on the EU server but just to strong your argument ignore that.
i played since 1999 played gamei wgt pgt even
lets pull it out ? thats the level you are at lets measure it...
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could you please post that again using english? it's hard to decipher that gibberish.
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S starts at 2030 on Korea too. Way harder to Get There if your playing at Koreans times
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There is nothing wrong with complaining about a feature that was just implemented and doesn't work as intended. This leaves room for calibration on Blizzard's part. Although there are people that don't care about rank, there are many others that do, and BW has a long history of different ladders with ranks that actually mean something. I wasn't around in the WGT/PGT days, but being on Fish, there was just something "right" about going into the ladder channel and seeing one or two guys with S rank and realizing that it's Bisu or somebody else. You go on the stream list and you see their stream and it's actually them. I always thought that was pretty cool and how ranks should feel in terms of "weight".
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God the bw community has become tiring and pathetic. Re: the totally unimportant rank issue. Artosis mmr is roughly around where machine or nyokens are, yet they ladder in different zones. Either way, ladder rank distribution has to be relative to natural skill ranks/things that are appreciably reachable. Complaining that foreigners can achieve high ranks is counter productive to the ladder, condescending to the players who have achieved success and weirdly masochistic all rolled into one.
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My opinion has always been that ladder ranks are pointless and are entirely useless at explaining how good someone is. It's good for a self sense of progression, but none of the top players care what rank they are or if someone is worse than them. Tournaments are what matter. So why does it matter how many S rank players there are?
The other thing is the people that discriminate based on rank as well are hilarious. It's just as ridiculous as the people in WoW who form groups based on itemlevel and not experience.
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im just going to say the idea blizzard had putting the rank groups into % is very silly and somewhat amateurish.... my reason being is that, they have this system in starcraft 2 right? like GM = top 200 per server and the rest of the players are masters - bronze and based on what % they fall into. which seems to work fine on sc2 because its harder to make multiple accounts... starcraft remastered you can make 400 alt accounts you wanted and as far as i know, even if you delete an account it remains on ladder (i could be wrong, havent tried it in a while). but the issue with that is, many people may only play 10 or so games per account getting lets say a 1550 mmr for an example, pushing everyone above that into a higher % rank. so basically what im saying is.. theres going to be waaaay more dead accounts at low MMR in sc:r always pushing the ranks up higher no matter what... its a bad system to use % to determine ranks.
to add on to that, most decent players wont smurf multiple accounts, they see no purpose in playing people worse than them for free points. i think most of the smurfing will be done sub 1650 mmr, making it easier to get A..... cause think about it, mass accounts at mid-low MMR, will just generate more A, S. you can go on right now, play a few ladder games on a new ID, get lets say 1500 MMR rating, and theoretically boost your main account at 1700 account, right ?
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On August 11 2018 23:13 onlystar wrote:na we are different people than you are fine with having youre B/C rank on the eu server while its like at best a D rank at the korean server enjoy my friend you keep saying that only mmr counts while you KNOW that is not true as soon as they introduce letter ranks that what people will hang to (its how ladders work) ''what rank are you?'' the answer will be in A/B/C/D etc nobody bothers to look at the points you happily ignoring the problems of the ladder you would like it if you have gotten up to the B ranks and some mediocore player on useast is at S/A ranks while you beat this guy 3-0 with eaz keep saying that doesn't matter hell the reality is way different its happening right now koreans are pissed off about how easy it is to get S/A ranks on the EU server but just to strong your argument ignore that. i played since 1999 played gamei wgt pgt even lets pull it out ? thats the level you are at lets measure it...
Yes, please pull it out, I'd very much like to see/know your best rank and laugh my ass of while you throw your arguments and statements like this.
"na we are different people than you are fine with having youre B/C rank on the eu server" :D LOL - I haven't played for about 4 years SC:BW and yet I got two accounts at A (one is at 1920 and another at 1850 on EU, the third one is A at 1780 on Korea server playing with VPN only, but wait, more is yet to come! Had A- at PGT back in the day and A multiple times at iCCup while the game was still "alive"  ) I don't even want to start comparing more past results when I was actively playing with some random guy who just can complaint and can't keep his little mout shut while whining about how unfair the ladder system is. LOL
It is easy to get A rank, most likely S as well, but I still don't see this being a problem at all since as I've mentioned like multiple times that MMR matters and thats what you should care about.
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On August 12 2018 02:06 arew wrote:
It is easy to get A rank, most likely S as well, but I still don't see this being a problem at all since as I've mentioned like multiple times that MMR matters and thats what you should care about.
yes arew that is the problem you displayed it perfectly right now if players like me and you are able to get up to S 2000mmr rank we are in the same rank as Flash..
S is exclusive to the very best players on the ladder as stated before top tier progamers
top foreigners come at least 1or 2 ranks below that because that is at minimum the skill gap between flash and top foreigners.
...btw guys anyone up for a circle jerk on arews pgt A- achievement im down?
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On August 12 2018 02:30 onlystar wrote:
yes arew that is the problem u displayed it perfectly right now if players like me and you are able to get up to S 2000mmr rank we are in the same rank as Flash..
S is exclusive to the very best players on the ladder as stated before top tier progamers
top foreigners come at least 1or 2 ranks below that because that is at minimum the skill gap between flash and top foreigners.
...btw guys anyone up for a circle jerk on arews pgt A- achievement im down?
For PGT back in the early days, there you go http://sc-player.marw.net/player-stat-list.php?sc=1&st_player_id=59457
As for ranking system, I agree and disagree at the same point. Yes, it would be great to have a seperate rank where the only very very few ones would be able to reach (like 0.5% of global players), but I'm so sure that there might be people who would actually complain about it due to multiple accounts possibility.
What I find great, is to have strictly MMR based ranking system, lets say 1800 = B, 2100 = A, 2500 = S, 3000+ = S+ or something like that, by doing so nobody would need to care about multiple account issue and we'd know that to reach 2500+ MMR is only skilled based, not the % of global players.
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i was being sarcastic btw pgt is probably the most easy ladder there has been off all off them with the easy bonus points to rank up
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On August 12 2018 02:45 onlystar wrote:
i was being sarcastic btw pgt is probably the most easy ladder there has been off all off them with the easy bonus points to rank up
You must be joking.
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no thats how most of the players look back at pgtour
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deff if you compare it to something like fish elo system
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Fish wasnt elo, it was predefined like iccup.
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On August 12 2018 02:30 onlystar wrote:
...btw guys anyone up for a circle jerk on arews pgt A- achievement im down?
arew
you are quite dense
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On August 10 2018 20:33 ProtossGG wrote:
jor_daddy has A rank and so I rest my case (or at least he did hit it a few days ago I recall)
That's it, shut it down, burn it to the ground. We need to start from scratch. Something is clearly wrong beyond repair here.
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I'm B rank and I just played someone who was doing placement matches and had 32 APM and no real build whatsoever. I'm guessing there's just not enough people playing
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On August 13 2018 08:14 blabber wrote:
I'm B rank and I just played someone who was doing placement matches and had 32 APM and no real build whatsoever. I'm guessing there's just not enough people playing This is what happens with region lock. Small community with high variation and a death on the top foreign level in terms of que times, so they begin to dodge the ladder with vpn, and on and on it goes rippling downward. region lock match making isnt sustainable.
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For some reason I am getting mostly super competitive matches in the 1450-1550 MMR range. Havent gotten a pure noob in forever
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On August 13 2018 08:14 blabber wrote:
I'm B rank and I just played someone who was doing placement matches and had 32 APM and no real build whatsoever. I'm guessing there's just not enough people playing
When you do your placement matches it always puts you against people against varying skill levels to work out where you fit.
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