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On August 11 2018 00:44 ProtossGG wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2018 00:18 onlystar wrote:
1% or less would be more fitting for S rank the absolute top level., progamers and experts. Far less than 1%. Because if it's 1%, assuming a 30k player population (I think it's slightly higher than this?) is still 300 people. S rank should be reserved for like the top10 or top15 players, or something very exclusive like that. I think for exclusive ranks like this, it's not good to use percentage based systems. (e.g. top 1% or top 7% ....)
top pros multi account so unless you want to see flash and mind take up most of the S ranks, you need more spots in S
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fine make it top 50 thats all possible dont nitpick look at the bigger picture ladder ranks as it is right now is a disgrace.
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set top 50 for S ranks and introduce a unique like G(GOD) rank exclusive only to the best record.
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Yes a set number of top players like in league of legends where only the top 200 are “Challenger” rank. Back in like 2013 it was top 50. Although each server has their own top 200. I think it makes more sense to do top 200 worldwide in SCR (based on what the community wants). Obviously another number can be chosen.
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S should be like top 100 or 50. And it's ridiculous that servers have their own varying percentages? If that is so, that is absolutely terrible. Wtf Blizzard. Mmr and rank should be global. (And people shouldn't have to use VPN-s.....)
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What's the point of such thread though? Are people just salty that there are a lot of S/A ranked people and most can't reach it or? As some of you guys here have mentioned, it is only a letter so why do even bother about it, especially if you're not there.
The most important thing is MMR anyways, so thats why top koreans ar the top of the rankings with a huge gap from everyone else, because they are progamers.
Two things I see weird in current games:
1. Ranked games giving +0 points when you face way lower opponents, it should give at least +1, because it is still a ranked game.
2. Also, I don't mind waiting 3 minutes at european ladder if I'd be matched with a great foreigner or korean instead of D/E ranked guy and receiving like +4 points per win and wasting 10 minutes of play time.
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no worries theyre looking into making some changes for next season, the changes are gonna be good
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On August 11 2018 17:09 arew wrote:
What's the point of such thread though? Are people just salty that there are a lot of S/A ranked people and most can't reach it or? As some of you guys here have mentioned, it is only a letter so why do even bother about it, especially if you're not there.
The most important thing is MMR anyways, so thats why top koreans ar the top of the rankings with a huge gap from everyone else, because they are progamers.
Two things I see weird in current games:
1. Ranked games giving +0 points when you face way lower opponents, it should give at least +1, because it is still a ranked game.
2. Also, I don't mind waiting 3 minutes at european ladder if I'd be matched with a great foreigner or korean instead of D/E ranked guy and receiving like +4 points per win and wasting 10 minutes of play time.
yea sure... if something is skewed and demotivates players to reach for the higher rank why bother with it since it not concerns you? right why bother with anything thats wrong when it doesnt concern you good thinking there
its our ladder isnt it? low mmrs with S ranks reflects on the all the other regions i bet the korean server looks at the EU ladder like its a joke infact 100% sure of that
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On August 11 2018 17:17 onlystar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2018 17:09 arew wrote:
What's the point of such thread though? Are people just salty that there are a lot of S/A ranked people and most can't reach it or? As some of you guys here have mentioned, it is only a letter so why do even bother about it, especially if you're not there.
The most important thing is MMR anyways, so thats why top koreans ar the top of the rankings with a huge gap from everyone else, because they are progamers.
Two things I see weird in current games:
1. Ranked games giving +0 points when you face way lower opponents, it should give at least +1, because it is still a ranked game.
2. Also, I don't mind waiting 3 minutes at european ladder if I'd be matched with a great foreigner or korean instead of D/E ranked guy and receiving like +4 points per win and wasting 10 minutes of play time. yea sure... if something is skewed and demotivates players to reach for the higher rank why bother with it since it not concerns you? right why bother with anything thats wrong when it doesnt concern you good thinking there its our ladder isnt it? low mmrs with S ranks reflects on the all the other regions i bet the korean server looks at the EU ladder like its a joke infact 100% sure of that
Any ladder should be there to give you help to find opponents on a similar level. MMR or any kind of symbol is a gimmick, not more, it's nothing like a tournament or league win. If you're hunting for gimmicks you might be approaching the entire thing the wrong way. What arew mentioned is more important, if you don't get matched correctly, there's need to update the match making, not the gimmicks.
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what arew is discussing is always up for debate till infinity
its not something you can simply fix because of a lack on infomation how this happens how the matchmaking system is operating right now.
there can me so many possibilities like at that given moment/time there are no players ranked close to that player with low latency at that time to make the match on the ladder thus resulting into a poor match made between a lower rank and high ranked player its something you will have to live by if its lets say at non-peak hours on the non korean ladder since there is just a small player base.
but than again duo to lack of information we cant really tell what exactly happened only if its reported by 100s of players something is wrong.
too many people just simply think a matchmaking system is in place and takes away all the problem ladders have to face over the last 10 years which is of course complete nonsense the main problems are still the same as alway to big of a difference between players to have a low lan game and playing outside the ladder peak hours with low player base resulting its harder to find matches at your rank. these problems stay pretty much unless the player base grows allover the world
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If the match making has to filter and divide player pools by region due to technical difficulties, you will always run into problems like this. there's simply no point in going mad over such an unimportant detail, when the overall picture is flawed. if this really upsets you, you should take a long walk and reevaluate what you expect from a game: getting equal games you can learn from or some random icons, that make you feel somewhat good?
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On August 11 2018 17:17 onlystar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2018 17:09 arew wrote:
What's the point of such thread though? Are people just salty that there are a lot of S/A ranked people and most can't reach it or? As some of you guys here have mentioned, it is only a letter so why do even bother about it, especially if you're not there.
The most important thing is MMR anyways, so thats why top koreans ar the top of the rankings with a huge gap from everyone else, because they are progamers.
Two things I see weird in current games:
1. Ranked games giving +0 points when you face way lower opponents, it should give at least +1, because it is still a ranked game.
2. Also, I don't mind waiting 3 minutes at european ladder if I'd be matched with a great foreigner or korean instead of D/E ranked guy and receiving like +4 points per win and wasting 10 minutes of play time. yea sure... if something is skewed and demotivates players to reach for the higher rank why bother with it since it not concerns you? right why bother with anything thats wrong when it doesnt concern you good thinking there its our ladder isnt it? low mmrs with S ranks reflects on the all the other regions i bet the korean server looks at the EU ladder like its a joke infact 100% sure of that
It's been like that for ages and not only in StarCraft. People go to korea to bootcamp because general play level is way higher there. So what's your problem with koreans just being better than anyone else? Yes, on one hand it suxs, but on another one does it change anything? Not really.
Does it demotivate you to reach the higher rank? If so, then that's your motivation issue, not ladder's fault.
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On August 11 2018 18:18 arew wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2018 17:17 onlystar wrote:On August 11 2018 17:09 arew wrote:
What's the point of such thread though? Are people just salty that there are a lot of S/A ranked people and most can't reach it or? As some of you guys here have mentioned, it is only a letter so why do even bother about it, especially if you're not there.
The most important thing is MMR anyways, so thats why top koreans ar the top of the rankings with a huge gap from everyone else, because they are progamers.
Two things I see weird in current games:
1. Ranked games giving +0 points when you face way lower opponents, it should give at least +1, because it is still a ranked game.
2. Also, I don't mind waiting 3 minutes at european ladder if I'd be matched with a great foreigner or korean instead of D/E ranked guy and receiving like +4 points per win and wasting 10 minutes of play time. yea sure... if something is skewed and demotivates players to reach for the higher rank why bother with it since it not concerns you? right why bother with anything thats wrong when it doesnt concern you good thinking there its our ladder isnt it? low mmrs with S ranks reflects on the all the other regions i bet the korean server looks at the EU ladder like its a joke infact 100% sure of that It's been like that for ages and not only in StarCraft. People go to korea to bootcamp because general play level is way higher there. So what's your problem with koreans just being better than anyone else? Yes, on one hand it suxs, but on another one does it change anything? Not really. Does it demotivate you to reach the higher rank? If so, then that's your motivation issue, not ladder's fault.
no this situation is different from any ladder we have seen before
this ladder has 4 regions all with their own S~F ranks
before this we had Fish server S-F the ranks on the ladder are global thus making it fair to everyone
what blizzard is doing is having S ranks on EU available at 2000mmr while this can be in korea server at 2400mmr
thus S ranks and all those high Ranks S/A/B devaluating they dont mean anything anymore the letter is a joke
when you play on a ladder to improve competitiveness the ranks should be global S for the top ranks A under that thats the whole idear of a ladder isnt it? not that there are S ranks with lower mmr than A ranks on the korean server we might as well give everybody A/B ranks and say it dont matter you cant have 4 seperate ladders with each his own ranks inside one big ladder its goes against all logic of what a ladder is.
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I wouldn't worry too much about the high number of "A rank" players. The letters really don't matter in this system. Now, you have a number, a letter, and a win percentage. But those are really bad things to look at from a game-psychology point-of-view, because you then are trying to fit yourself into a certain expectation for yourself that may not be realistic. This puts extra pressure on you to simply win. The best goals are to improve your skill set, play against better players, have fun, and win games, in that order. If you're not improving your skills, you're going to get rolled. If your only goal is to win, you're going to try to play against worse players all the time because you don't want to lose. If you don't have fun, StarCraft will be a miserable chapter in your life.
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On August 11 2018 18:07 GeckoXp wrote:
If the match making has to filter and divide player pools by region due to technical difficulties, you will always run into problems like this. there's simply no point in going mad over such an unimportant detail, when the overall picture is flawed. if this really upsets you, you should take a long walk and reevaluate what you expect from a game: getting equal games you can learn from or some random icons, that make you feel somewhat good?
thats the thing blizzard is handing out icons in order to keep the foreign society happy here have youre A/BC ranks and some skins see you got B rank youre good!! while this is a false sense of skill.
its tragic since scbw has the most degradations in skill levels there is so much to gain the highest skill ceiling by noobyfing the region ladders like this people will get a false sense of skill without them pushing further (korea server rankings)
they are happy with there A/B ranks and dont even feel the need to improve not even aware of what the skill ceiling is
resulting in a poor competition but atleast youre happy wiht youre skin and icons.
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On August 11 2018 18:34 ninazerg wrote:
I wouldn't worry too much about the high number of "A rank" players. The letters really don't matter in this system. Now, you have a number, a letter, and a win percentage. But those are really bad things to look at from a game-psychology point-of-view, because you then are trying to fit yourself into a certain expectation for yourself that may not be realistic. This puts extra pressure on you to simply win. The best goals are to improve your skill set, play against better players, have fun, and win games, in that order. If you're not improving your skills, you're going to get rolled. If your only goal is to win, you're going to try to play against worse players all the time because you don't want to lose. If you don't have fun, StarCraft will be a miserable chapter in your life.
i disagree here look at Fish server S ranks for pro-level and A ranks for high expert amatures the letters meant exacly that there is no faking it. (besides from a couple of notorious discers stats abusers LOL)
a fierce competition is where scbw strives
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On August 11 2018 18:28 onlystar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2018 18:18 arew wrote:On August 11 2018 17:17 onlystar wrote:On August 11 2018 17:09 arew wrote:
What's the point of such thread though? Are people just salty that there are a lot of S/A ranked people and most can't reach it or? As some of you guys here have mentioned, it is only a letter so why do even bother about it, especially if you're not there.
The most important thing is MMR anyways, so thats why top koreans ar the top of the rankings with a huge gap from everyone else, because they are progamers.
Two things I see weird in current games:
1. Ranked games giving +0 points when you face way lower opponents, it should give at least +1, because it is still a ranked game.
2. Also, I don't mind waiting 3 minutes at european ladder if I'd be matched with a great foreigner or korean instead of D/E ranked guy and receiving like +4 points per win and wasting 10 minutes of play time. yea sure... if something is skewed and demotivates players to reach for the higher rank why bother with it since it not concerns you? right why bother with anything thats wrong when it doesnt concern you good thinking there its our ladder isnt it? low mmrs with S ranks reflects on the all the other regions i bet the korean server looks at the EU ladder like its a joke infact 100% sure of that It's been like that for ages and not only in StarCraft. People go to korea to bootcamp because general play level is way higher there. So what's your problem with koreans just being better than anyone else? Yes, on one hand it suxs, but on another one does it change anything? Not really. Does it demotivate you to reach the higher rank? If so, then that's your motivation issue, not ladder's fault. no this situation is different from any ladder we have seen before this ladder has 4 regions all with their own S~F ranks before this we had Fish server S-F the ranks on the ladder are global thus making it fair to everyone what blizzard is doing is having S ranks on EU available at 2000mmr while this can be in korea server at 2400mmr thus S ranks and all those high Ranks S/A/B devaluating they dont mean anything anymore the letter is a joke when you play on a ladder to improve competitiveness the ranks should be global S for the top ranks A under that thats the whole idear of a ladder isnt it? not that there are S ranks with lower mmr than A ranks on the korean server we might as well give everybody A/B ranks and say it dont matter you cant have 4 seperate ladders with each his own ranks inside one big ladder its goes against all logic of what a ladder is.
Yes, because every server is different lol and koreans are just miles ahead of everyone else. That's the whole point... If we'd have one server like PGT, ICCUP, Fish etc. then that would totally make sense, now - it doesn't and I don't even see a reason to argue with you anymore. Also, if you're playing on US East server or Europe, why the heck you should bother what's going on down there?
"when you play on a ladder to improve competitiveness the ranks should be global S for the top ranks A under that thats the whole idear of a ladder isnt it?" No, I disagree. The whole point of ladder is to have as high MMR as possible because MMR points actually measures people and puts one on top of another even though both have an S or A or B or whatever rank.
The more I try to understand you, the less sense you make and more and more whinny you look like.
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i dont expect you to understand to most folks they think having S/F ranks with different mmrs on every region is normal
like the sc2 ladder system every league has his top of the ''ladder'' its more of a generation gap most oldskool players know exactly how a competitive ladder works Fish/iCCup and that you cant have different A/S ranks across the ladder its just a flawed concept to keep foreign scene happy as blizzard does succesfully in sc2 its youre choice what you want get pampered by blizzard or have a real rank according to the mmr points you are able to get.
besides soner or later korea will make a statement things will change next season
or for the worst it will stay like this and east/eu/west willl be a mockup to the korean server
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On August 11 2018 22:34 onlystar wrote:
i dont expect you to understand to most folks they think having S/F ranks with different mmrs on every region is normal
like the sc2 ladder system every league has his top of the ''ladder'' its more of a generation gap most oldskool players know exactly how a competitive ladder works Fish/iCCup and that you cant have different A/S ranks across the ladder its just a flawed concept to keep foreign scene happy as blizzard does succesfully in sc2 its youre choice what you want get pampered by blizzard or have a real rank according to the mmr points you are able to get.
I've been playing SC:BW since 2005 and at quite high level since 2007 for about 7 years, played at WGT, PGT (which I think u got no clue what they are), iCCup and Fish so truly honestly speaking, I have no idea what you're talkin' about and how high you're.
I still don't see any issue having these letters and fixed amount of people in it since it's only letters and to repeat once more only MMR counts.
edit: By saying "oldskool player know" it just proves my point that you got no clue about old ladder servers and what we were up to, so please, don't talk like that since iCCup wasn't even an oldschool ladder.
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na we are different people than you are fine with having youre B/C rank on the eu server while its like at best a D rank at the korean server enjoy my friend 
you keep saying that only mmr counts while you KNOW that is not true as soon as they introduce letter ranks that what people will hang to (its how ladders work) ''what rank are you?'' the answer will be in A/B/C/D etc
nobody bothers to look at the points
you happily ignoring the problems of the ladder you would like it if you have gotten up to the B ranks and some mediocore player on useast is at S/A ranks while you beat this guy 3-0 with eaz keep saying that doesn't matter hell the reality is way different its happening right now koreans are pissed off about how easy it is to get S/A ranks on the EU server but just to strong your argument ignore that.
i played since 1999 played gamei wgt pgt even
lets pull it out ? thats the level you are at lets measure it...
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