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On July 19 2018 01:46 10dla wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2018 16:54 Drake wrote:
i play a few games on my account ( i play mainly nighttime) and then i sit there with 1800-1900mrr and X-0 wins and i dont find any more games ... i sit and sit and it finds no games for me ... so i play with next account cause i not wannna wait 30 minutes for game ...
i think its a matchmaking problem first, people not wanna wait 30 minute for a game How is that a Matchmaking problem? You can find games on new accounts. And its Global after all. The people on your mmr are simply not there. And when people are allowed to reroll every time they simply pour gasoline into the problem It's not global. It's pretty obviously a match making problem: He doesnt get matched against players when he ques in the match maker. Get that? And how are we supposed to take you seriously when you dont even know the global match maker isnt global?
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On July 19 2018 02:28 Dazed. wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2018 01:46 10dla wrote:On July 18 2018 16:54 Drake wrote:
i play a few games on my account ( i play mainly nighttime) and then i sit there with 1800-1900mrr and X-0 wins and i dont find any more games ... i sit and sit and it finds no games for me ... so i play with next account cause i not wannna wait 30 minutes for game ...
i think its a matchmaking problem first, people not wanna wait 30 minute for a game How is that a Matchmaking problem? You can find games on new accounts. And its Global after all. The people on your mmr are simply not there. And when people are allowed to reroll every time they simply pour gasoline into the problem It's not global. It's pretty obviously a match making problem: He doesnt get matched against players when he ques in the match maker. Get that? And how are we supposed to take you seriously when you dont even know the global match maker isnt global?
What is your understanding for Global? Or is Global=Korea for you?
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On July 19 2018 02:29 10dla wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2018 02:28 Dazed. wrote:On July 19 2018 01:46 10dla wrote:On July 18 2018 16:54 Drake wrote:
i play a few games on my account ( i play mainly nighttime) and then i sit there with 1800-1900mrr and X-0 wins and i dont find any more games ... i sit and sit and it finds no games for me ... so i play with next account cause i not wannna wait 30 minutes for game ...
i think its a matchmaking problem first, people not wanna wait 30 minute for a game How is that a Matchmaking problem? You can find games on new accounts. And its Global after all. The people on your mmr are simply not there. And when people are allowed to reroll every time they simply pour gasoline into the problem It's not global. It's pretty obviously a match making problem: He doesnt get matched against players when he ques in the match maker. Get that? And how are we supposed to take you seriously when you dont even know the global match maker isnt global? What is your understanding for Global? Or is Global=Korea for you? User was temp banned for this post. I think the meaning of global is pretty apparent. We are all region locked; I cant even play europeans, let alone "the globe."
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On July 19 2018 03:21 Dazed. wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2018 02:29 10dla wrote:On July 19 2018 02:28 Dazed. wrote:On July 19 2018 01:46 10dla wrote:On July 18 2018 16:54 Drake wrote:
i play a few games on my account ( i play mainly nighttime) and then i sit there with 1800-1900mrr and X-0 wins and i dont find any more games ... i sit and sit and it finds no games for me ... so i play with next account cause i not wannna wait 30 minutes for game ...
i think its a matchmaking problem first, people not wanna wait 30 minute for a game How is that a Matchmaking problem? You can find games on new accounts. And its Global after all. The people on your mmr are simply not there. And when people are allowed to reroll every time they simply pour gasoline into the problem It's not global. It's pretty obviously a match making problem: He doesnt get matched against players when he ques in the match maker. Get that? And how are we supposed to take you seriously when you dont even know the global match maker isnt global? What is your understanding for Global? Or is Global=Korea for you? User was temp banned for this post. I think the meaning of global is pretty apparent. We are all region locked; I cant even play europeans, let alone "the globe."
no we are not actually region locked. The only "region" lock is latency/con. I played NA West ppl from EU, no VPN. Still its interesting that eon can play Koreans via KR VPN with TR 16. Id assume, the latency check just checks con to the VPN not to actually eon. And bc KR is so crowded, koreans find player with better con than EU faster and thus the MM alg correctly matches them.
I think its more a player base problem.
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On July 19 2018 03:37 MarcoJ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2018 03:21 Dazed. wrote:On July 19 2018 02:29 10dla wrote:On July 19 2018 02:28 Dazed. wrote:On July 19 2018 01:46 10dla wrote:On July 18 2018 16:54 Drake wrote:
i play a few games on my account ( i play mainly nighttime) and then i sit there with 1800-1900mrr and X-0 wins and i dont find any more games ... i sit and sit and it finds no games for me ... so i play with next account cause i not wannna wait 30 minutes for game ...
i think its a matchmaking problem first, people not wanna wait 30 minute for a game How is that a Matchmaking problem? You can find games on new accounts. And its Global after all. The people on your mmr are simply not there. And when people are allowed to reroll every time they simply pour gasoline into the problem It's not global. It's pretty obviously a match making problem: He doesnt get matched against players when he ques in the match maker. Get that? And how are we supposed to take you seriously when you dont even know the global match maker isnt global? What is your understanding for Global? Or is Global=Korea for you? User was temp banned for this post. I think the meaning of global is pretty apparent. We are all region locked; I cant even play europeans, let alone "the globe." no we are not actually region locked. The only "region" lock is latency/con. I played NA West ppl from EU, no VPN. Still its interesting that eon can play Koreans via KR VPN with TR 16. Id assume, the latency check just checks con to the VPN not to actually eon. And bc KR is so crowded, koreans find player with better con than EU faster and thus the MM alg correctly matches them. I think its more a player base problem. I didnt lag against europeans or koreans, I only play americans and canadians now. Usually canadians. My player pool is like ten people large. Its a match making issue. They fucked up. Bad. Ever since the ladder has been in a tail spin, the problem is self perpetuating. The smaller your pool becomes the more likely you are to either restart your account or leave the ladder altogether, which reinforces the same for others. In six months the ladder will be dead outside of korea unless they change something.
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I was on my offrace zerg account, got down 1500, and faced the same opponent 5 times in a row. I thus went 0-5 (the guy was 1900mmr, but offracing). I played about 5 ZvPs that day before this, so in the end I ended up with 10 ZvPs and the system kept pairing me against the guy I had already lost to 5 times. It actually queued us up for the 6th time (keep in mind it was the 10th same MU in a row also). This shit is broken AF.
And it's not like I lag or anything, used to be able to play just fine in Iccup era. And it's not like there should be no other players at 1500mmr.
I get that its a tricky issue to get MM/latency right, but the devs need to keep working on this. It's been a year, and this is still beta.
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I play the same two regular smurfs a few times every week at low mmr. 18-1900 players that lose 12 games straight on new profiles every few days before playing. I've seen them snipe pretty much every streamer that sets up a sub 1500 stream, even queued into Schamtoo and styled all over him. No one has come close to taking a game off of them.
Assholes smurfs + regional latency matchmaking ladder means that I'll play these guys once every couple of days as long as they decide to be this way. Months later and still the same guys doing the same shit.
Probably the most frustrating is how regionally isolated this experience is. Someone in Europe might not have to deal with American degeneracy, but I don't know how this will ever change for my personal experience.
Now from a strict mmr perspective this experience is fine, I'll lose points but someone else will get them donated while these people tank. But it just means a lot of stupid one-sided games for everyone.
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On July 19 2018 04:16 kaboombaby wrote:
I play the same two regular smurfs a few times every week at low mmr. 18-1900 players that lose 12 games straight on new profiles every few days before playing. I've seen them snipe pretty much every streamer that sets up a sub 1500 stream, even queued into Schamtoo and styled all over him. No one has come close to taking a game off of them.
Assholes smurfs + regional latency matchmaking ladder means that I'll play these guys once every couple of days as long as they decide to be this way. Months later and still the same guys doing the same shit.
Probably the most frustrating is how regionally isolated this experience is. Someone in Europe might not have to deal with American degeneracy, but I don't know how this will ever change for my personal experience.
Now from a strict mmr perspective this experience is fine, I'll lose points but someone else will get them donated while these people tank. But it just means a lot of stupid one-sided games for everyone.
I just want to reiterate that this is how it has always been and it will never change. There's no outwardly discernible difference between a 1800/1900 player dropping down to 1500 by manually losing games, or an 1800/1900 player who just started a new account to find more games, or an 1800/1900 player who hasn't played in years and just started a new account, or an 1800/1900 player with multiple accounts one for each race, or an 1800/1900 player who went on a legitimately bad losing streak in his worst MU, or an 1800/1900 player who is drunk and high as a kite and is playing with one hand while lapsing in and out of consciousness over the course of multiple games, so on and so forth.
I was an 1800/1900 level player in February and one time I lost over 100 points in one hour, putting me at 16##. I destroyed a few 1600/1700 players to get back to 1800/1900. Was what I did smurfing or somehow immoral? Absolutely not, but I bet at least one of those players at 1600 metaphorically threw his hands up in the air, said "this is bullshit, fucking smurfs," and just sat there being butthurt.
In other ladder systems prior to this, there were seasons that were ~3-4 months long. At the start of the season, EVERYONE is D rank. The people who get their feelings hurt when losing to a superior player would just wait out the first week or two, giving most of the good players a chance to move on to higher ratings, and so that they could have a greater chance to play against people of their own skill level. The people who approach the game with a different mentality relished the opportunity to play against top level players at D rank, when otherwise those players would never give them the time.
In those same ladder systems, you had people who would clear their stats as soon as they reached C-. You had people who got to B with a record of 120-2 because they would only play vs. D ranked players and verify their scores. You had Koreans who normally play on their ladder server (fish) who come onto ICCup for a few games at D level and trounce everyone.
This is NOT an exclusively American problem. This is NOT an exclusively Blizzard MM problem. This is just a fact of life. There is no REASONABLE way to prevent this. If that's something that frustrates you to the point where you don't want to play anymore (not you specifically, OP), then perhaps the game isn't right for you. Or maybe you should get tougher skin.
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On July 19 2018 04:47 Jealous wrote:
I just want to reiterate that this is how it has always been and it will never change. There's no difference between a 1800/1900 player dropping down to 1500 by manually losing games, or an 1800/1900 player who just started a new account, or an 1800/1900 player who hasn't played in years and just started a new account, or an 1800/1900 player with multiple accounts one for each race, so on and so forth.
There is a difference. That difference is playing at 1300 and running into 1800 players vs playing at 1500 and having some ability to see it coming. People preying on the bottom vs preying on the middle is a pretty big difference. There's also a fairly large amount of room for improvement to this system.
On July 19 2018 04:47 Jealous wrote:
In other ladder systems prior to this, there were seasons that were ~3-4 months long. At the start of the season, EVERYONE is D rank. The people who get their feelings hurt when losing to a superior player would just wait out the first week or two, giving most of the good players a chance to move on to higher ratings, and so that they could have a greater chance to play against people of their own skill level. The people who approach the game with a different mentality relished the opportunity to play against top level players at D rank, when otherwise those players would never give them the time.
In those same ladder systems, you had people who would clear their stats as soon as they reached C-. You had people who got to B with a record of 120-2 because they would only play vs. D ranked players and verify their scores. You had Koreans who normally play on their ladder server (fish) who come onto ICCup for a few games at D level and trounce everyone.
I could have hosted on ICCUP and avoided the smurf I can see coming a mile away. It was different actually. How quickly we forget.
And you still don't seem to grasp that the problem isn't being smashed at the entrylevel of D. This is tanking to E/F then getting run the fuck over because players in the BW community think it's hilarious to smash people at low levels.
On July 19 2018 04:47 Jealous wrote:
This is NOT an exclusively American problem. This is NOT an exclusively Blizzard MM problem. This is just a fact of life. There is no REASONABLE way to prevent this. If that's something that frustrates you to the point where you don't want to play anymore (not you specifically, OP), then perhaps the game isn't right for you. Or maybe you should get tougher skin.
I don't know why certain people in the community cry "get the fuck out" so readily. Clearly I'm still playing the game. "There is no REASONABLE way to prevent this" does not indicate that nothing can be done whatsoever. Seems like such a lazy defeatist approach to take towards system design. In a space with evolving tech/systems we're just going to throw our hands up because you think it must be so. So much to say about laziness from new players yet so much intellectual laziness when it comes to potential improvements to a bare-bones antiquated ladder.
I'm providing my feedback. If your inclination is to ignore it entirely in favor of waxing on about how entitled I am then that's your prerogative.
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On July 17 2018 02:19 evilEye_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 02:04 10dla wrote:On July 13 2018 06:13 evilEye_ wrote:On July 12 2018 21:55 QuadroX wrote:
I know it's probably just another "MMR is broken" post. Let's hope things will improve with rankings, but here's a couple of words from a completely new player.
As an example in Warcraft 3 you have a decent level system. First you go up to like level 25-30 then stay there for a while until you learn how to play properly then eventually go up to levels 35-40 which meant you're pretty good.
In SC2 there's was decent ranking system as well. You play constantly and you see how you go up the ladder, eventually you get transferred from bronze to silver then to gold then to plat etc.
Overall you play and you see the results. Like before I was lvl 20 in WC3 or in bronze SC2 and now after a year I'm in plat or diamond, or have 40 lvl battle.net. That boosts your confidence and you see that you are actually making some progress, you improve.
I feel like SC:R battle.net does not have this at all. I started playing a year ago (never played BW before). I play almost every day and my MMR stays the same all the time. When I just started it was around 1100-1500 going up and down like crazy. Having over 1000 games played it's still the same. MMR goes around the same range, never goes higher than 1500. Most of the time around 1250-1400 range. I face the same opponents. I win the same people and lose to the same guys. It's like there's a wall you hit every time you go closer to 1500. Something happens around this MMR (maybe smurfs of pros) and you drop down with like 15-20 loses in a row sometimes.
I feel that (subjectively) no matter how long you play you just stay exactly where you were all the time. I don't see any results or any progress. It's hard to say even by past replays whether I played worse or not. I wonder if it's possible to improve eventually over the years without devoting to the game 8-10 hrs a day like Koreans do. It's very frustrating.. I completely understand your point. And I think you are getting fed information that is irrelevant and/or nothing to do with what you're asking. I along with many others are facing similar situations as you and the answer is simple. It really comes down to 2 points of interest, 1 of which KogeT hit on the head (kudos to KogeT). Point 1: As KogeT mentioned, there are constantly new names and smurfs being created. So it doesn't matter what your MMR is. Depending on the location and time you play, you may very well end up playing 2K++ MMR people on smurf on new name over and over (until they achieve too many points to match with you anymore). The solution to this is simple...people should only be allowed to have one name for laddering. People will start bitching and whining about "what if I need to practice blah blah blah"....then just play a melee game. Host a "1v1 zerg only" or something. You don't NEED to ladder. Laddering is about finding good 1;1 games and trying to see your rank and how far up the totem pole you can move. Me for example, I've gotten slammed by Nyoken about 8 times in 30 games under various accounts of his. That should literally never happen. I should never even be considered in the same stratosphere. So this is point 1 about why it happens. Whoever is powerbombing you over and over is just some really good player who made a new name for any number of reasons. Point 2: The second point is about Blizzard itself. They fucked up the ladder system big time. People are gonna cry and bitch and moan here too but basically I don't care. I use myself an example. When the ladder system was still fresh, I was playing ALL kinds of people from all over the world. This was awesome. I got to play people of all different skill levels. I was playing mostly competative games with a few lopsided ones. Now, with whatever "fix" (fix my ass) blizzard did, it takes forever to match me. And when I do, I play the same 10 people over and over. I either stomp them or they stomp me. It is not enjoyable and I hover around the same MMR...moving up and down quickly, for no reason. The solution to this is simple; go back to how it was or improve it to be similar to how it was, minus the lag. So this is basically the correct answer. You can ignore everything else in the thread. I just saved you 2 hours of your time. You're welcome. Yeah, isnt it odd that you played everyone when everyone was in the same MMR? What do you want, a MMR reset every month? Clearly you understood 0% of what I said. I didn't say it had anything to do with the MMR. I said the way blizzard "fixed" the lag issue is by not allowing me to play besides anyone near me and at similar MMR. Which causes me to play the same 6 people over and over. That, coupled with people constantly making new names, means I am either playing the same person over and over or a pro over and over. Every game is lopsided; one way or the other. Next time you want to use sarcasm to illustrate your point and attempt to offend me, at least make sure you read what I wrote and that what you wrote makes sense....which it doesn't. You want to have a battle of wits but you're showing up unarmed.... GG
On July 19 2018 02:28 Dazed. wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2018 01:46 10dla wrote:On July 18 2018 16:54 Drake wrote:
i play a few games on my account ( i play mainly nighttime) and then i sit there with 1800-1900mrr and X-0 wins and i dont find any more games ... i sit and sit and it finds no games for me ... so i play with next account cause i not wannna wait 30 minutes for game ...
i think its a matchmaking problem first, people not wanna wait 30 minute for a game How is that a Matchmaking problem? You can find games on new accounts. And its Global after all. The people on your mmr are simply not there. And when people are allowed to reroll every time they simply pour gasoline into the problem It's not global. It's pretty obviously a match making problem: He doesnt get matched against players when he ques in the match maker. Get that? And how are we supposed to take you seriously when you dont even know the global match maker isnt global?
Two personal attacks. Abrasive and aggressive. How do i report them? Tested 5 games in a row: Peru, Brasil, 2 USA (Long Island) and Russia. 2-5 minute waiting. I live in mid europe. Both USA had 24 TR, Russia 20, South America some terrible latency. Now that asshole says that matchmaking isnt global. What? Both of them are blatantly lying. How much further does it have to go without having terrible latency in every second game? Is this bullshit going on again that you can only say what people want to hear?
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On July 19 2018 05:03 Gholas wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2018 02:19 evilEye_ wrote:On July 14 2018 02:04 10dla wrote:On July 13 2018 06:13 evilEye_ wrote:On July 12 2018 21:55 QuadroX wrote:
I know it's probably just another "MMR is broken" post. Let's hope things will improve with rankings, but here's a couple of words from a completely new player.
As an example in Warcraft 3 you have a decent level system. First you go up to like level 25-30 then stay there for a while until you learn how to play properly then eventually go up to levels 35-40 which meant you're pretty good.
In SC2 there's was decent ranking system as well. You play constantly and you see how you go up the ladder, eventually you get transferred from bronze to silver then to gold then to plat etc.
Overall you play and you see the results. Like before I was lvl 20 in WC3 or in bronze SC2 and now after a year I'm in plat or diamond, or have 40 lvl battle.net. That boosts your confidence and you see that you are actually making some progress, you improve.
I feel like SC:R battle.net does not have this at all. I started playing a year ago (never played BW before). I play almost every day and my MMR stays the same all the time. When I just started it was around 1100-1500 going up and down like crazy. Having over 1000 games played it's still the same. MMR goes around the same range, never goes higher than 1500. Most of the time around 1250-1400 range. I face the same opponents. I win the same people and lose to the same guys. It's like there's a wall you hit every time you go closer to 1500. Something happens around this MMR (maybe smurfs of pros) and you drop down with like 15-20 loses in a row sometimes.
I feel that (subjectively) no matter how long you play you just stay exactly where you were all the time. I don't see any results or any progress. It's hard to say even by past replays whether I played worse or not. I wonder if it's possible to improve eventually over the years without devoting to the game 8-10 hrs a day like Koreans do. It's very frustrating.. I completely understand your point. And I think you are getting fed information that is irrelevant and/or nothing to do with what you're asking. I along with many others are facing similar situations as you and the answer is simple. It really comes down to 2 points of interest, 1 of which KogeT hit on the head (kudos to KogeT). Point 1: As KogeT mentioned, there are constantly new names and smurfs being created. So it doesn't matter what your MMR is. Depending on the location and time you play, you may very well end up playing 2K++ MMR people on smurf on new name over and over (until they achieve too many points to match with you anymore). The solution to this is simple...people should only be allowed to have one name for laddering. People will start bitching and whining about "what if I need to practice blah blah blah"....then just play a melee game. Host a "1v1 zerg only" or something. You don't NEED to ladder. Laddering is about finding good 1;1 games and trying to see your rank and how far up the totem pole you can move. Me for example, I've gotten slammed by Nyoken about 8 times in 30 games under various accounts of his. That should literally never happen. I should never even be considered in the same stratosphere. So this is point 1 about why it happens. Whoever is powerbombing you over and over is just some really good player who made a new name for any number of reasons. Point 2: The second point is about Blizzard itself. They fucked up the ladder system big time. People are gonna cry and bitch and moan here too but basically I don't care. I use myself an example. When the ladder system was still fresh, I was playing ALL kinds of people from all over the world. This was awesome. I got to play people of all different skill levels. I was playing mostly competative games with a few lopsided ones. Now, with whatever "fix" (fix my ass) blizzard did, it takes forever to match me. And when I do, I play the same 10 people over and over. I either stomp them or they stomp me. It is not enjoyable and I hover around the same MMR...moving up and down quickly, for no reason. The solution to this is simple; go back to how it was or improve it to be similar to how it was, minus the lag. So this is basically the correct answer. You can ignore everything else in the thread. I just saved you 2 hours of your time. You're welcome. Yeah, isnt it odd that you played everyone when everyone was in the same MMR? What do you want, a MMR reset every month? Clearly you understood 0% of what I said. I didn't say it had anything to do with the MMR. I said the way blizzard "fixed" the lag issue is by not allowing me to play besides anyone near me and at similar MMR. Which causes me to play the same 6 people over and over. That, coupled with people constantly making new names, means I am either playing the same person over and over or a pro over and over. Every game is lopsided; one way or the other. Next time you want to use sarcasm to illustrate your point and attempt to offend me, at least make sure you read what I wrote and that what you wrote makes sense....which it doesn't. You want to have a battle of wits but you're showing up unarmed.... GG Show nested quote +On July 19 2018 02:28 Dazed. wrote:On July 19 2018 01:46 10dla wrote:On July 18 2018 16:54 Drake wrote:
i play a few games on my account ( i play mainly nighttime) and then i sit there with 1800-1900mrr and X-0 wins and i dont find any more games ... i sit and sit and it finds no games for me ... so i play with next account cause i not wannna wait 30 minutes for game ...
i think its a matchmaking problem first, people not wanna wait 30 minute for a game How is that a Matchmaking problem? You can find games on new accounts. And its Global after all. The people on your mmr are simply not there. And when people are allowed to reroll every time they simply pour gasoline into the problem It's not global. It's pretty obviously a match making problem: He doesnt get matched against players when he ques in the match maker. Get that? And how are we supposed to take you seriously when you dont even know the global match maker isnt global? Two personal attacks. Abrasive and aggressive. How do i report them? Tested 5 games in a row: Peru, Brasil, 2 USA (Long Island) and Russia. 2-5 minute waiting. I live in mid europe. Both USA had 24 TR, Russia 20, South America some terrible latency. Now that asshole says that matchmaking isnt global. What? Both of them are blatantly lying. How much further does it have to go without having terrible latency in every second game? Is this bullshit going on again that you can only say what people want to hear? Alright, you have a better connection experience, and? I dont. Plenty of people dont, plenty of people wait in que for 30 minutes only to get a matchup they can sleep through and win, and then play the guy endlessly on repeat. Plenty of players have recorded videos of their epic que times, or +1 point wins, which is why so many people are paying to use VPN's.
And where did I insult you or anyone? I can clearly see where you called me an asshole, but my insult? Seems imaginary...
edit: 1 post...shouldnt of taken the bait. i apologize everyone.
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On July 19 2018 05:31 Dazed. wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2018 05:03 Gholas wrote:On July 17 2018 02:19 evilEye_ wrote:On July 14 2018 02:04 10dla wrote:On July 13 2018 06:13 evilEye_ wrote:On July 12 2018 21:55 QuadroX wrote:
I know it's probably just another "MMR is broken" post. Let's hope things will improve with rankings, but here's a couple of words from a completely new player.
As an example in Warcraft 3 you have a decent level system. First you go up to like level 25-30 then stay there for a while until you learn how to play properly then eventually go up to levels 35-40 which meant you're pretty good.
In SC2 there's was decent ranking system as well. You play constantly and you see how you go up the ladder, eventually you get transferred from bronze to silver then to gold then to plat etc.
Overall you play and you see the results. Like before I was lvl 20 in WC3 or in bronze SC2 and now after a year I'm in plat or diamond, or have 40 lvl battle.net. That boosts your confidence and you see that you are actually making some progress, you improve.
I feel like SC:R battle.net does not have this at all. I started playing a year ago (never played BW before). I play almost every day and my MMR stays the same all the time. When I just started it was around 1100-1500 going up and down like crazy. Having over 1000 games played it's still the same. MMR goes around the same range, never goes higher than 1500. Most of the time around 1250-1400 range. I face the same opponents. I win the same people and lose to the same guys. It's like there's a wall you hit every time you go closer to 1500. Something happens around this MMR (maybe smurfs of pros) and you drop down with like 15-20 loses in a row sometimes.
I feel that (subjectively) no matter how long you play you just stay exactly where you were all the time. I don't see any results or any progress. It's hard to say even by past replays whether I played worse or not. I wonder if it's possible to improve eventually over the years without devoting to the game 8-10 hrs a day like Koreans do. It's very frustrating.. I completely understand your point. And I think you are getting fed information that is irrelevant and/or nothing to do with what you're asking. I along with many others are facing similar situations as you and the answer is simple. It really comes down to 2 points of interest, 1 of which KogeT hit on the head (kudos to KogeT). Point 1: As KogeT mentioned, there are constantly new names and smurfs being created. So it doesn't matter what your MMR is. Depending on the location and time you play, you may very well end up playing 2K++ MMR people on smurf on new name over and over (until they achieve too many points to match with you anymore). The solution to this is simple...people should only be allowed to have one name for laddering. People will start bitching and whining about "what if I need to practice blah blah blah"....then just play a melee game. Host a "1v1 zerg only" or something. You don't NEED to ladder. Laddering is about finding good 1;1 games and trying to see your rank and how far up the totem pole you can move. Me for example, I've gotten slammed by Nyoken about 8 times in 30 games under various accounts of his. That should literally never happen. I should never even be considered in the same stratosphere. So this is point 1 about why it happens. Whoever is powerbombing you over and over is just some really good player who made a new name for any number of reasons. Point 2: The second point is about Blizzard itself. They fucked up the ladder system big time. People are gonna cry and bitch and moan here too but basically I don't care. I use myself an example. When the ladder system was still fresh, I was playing ALL kinds of people from all over the world. This was awesome. I got to play people of all different skill levels. I was playing mostly competative games with a few lopsided ones. Now, with whatever "fix" (fix my ass) blizzard did, it takes forever to match me. And when I do, I play the same 10 people over and over. I either stomp them or they stomp me. It is not enjoyable and I hover around the same MMR...moving up and down quickly, for no reason. The solution to this is simple; go back to how it was or improve it to be similar to how it was, minus the lag. So this is basically the correct answer. You can ignore everything else in the thread. I just saved you 2 hours of your time. You're welcome. Yeah, isnt it odd that you played everyone when everyone was in the same MMR? What do you want, a MMR reset every month? Clearly you understood 0% of what I said. I didn't say it had anything to do with the MMR. I said the way blizzard "fixed" the lag issue is by not allowing me to play besides anyone near me and at similar MMR. Which causes me to play the same 6 people over and over. That, coupled with people constantly making new names, means I am either playing the same person over and over or a pro over and over. Every game is lopsided; one way or the other. Next time you want to use sarcasm to illustrate your point and attempt to offend me, at least make sure you read what I wrote and that what you wrote makes sense....which it doesn't. You want to have a battle of wits but you're showing up unarmed.... GG On July 19 2018 02:28 Dazed. wrote:On July 19 2018 01:46 10dla wrote:On July 18 2018 16:54 Drake wrote:
i play a few games on my account ( i play mainly nighttime) and then i sit there with 1800-1900mrr and X-0 wins and i dont find any more games ... i sit and sit and it finds no games for me ... so i play with next account cause i not wannna wait 30 minutes for game ...
i think its a matchmaking problem first, people not wanna wait 30 minute for a game How is that a Matchmaking problem? You can find games on new accounts. And its Global after all. The people on your mmr are simply not there. And when people are allowed to reroll every time they simply pour gasoline into the problem It's not global. It's pretty obviously a match making problem: He doesnt get matched against players when he ques in the match maker. Get that? And how are we supposed to take you seriously when you dont even know the global match maker isnt global? Two personal attacks. Abrasive and aggressive. How do i report them? Tested 5 games in a row: Peru, Brasil, 2 USA (Long Island) and Russia. 2-5 minute waiting. I live in mid europe. Both USA had 24 TR, Russia 20, South America some terrible latency. Now that asshole says that matchmaking isnt global. What? Both of them are blatantly lying. How much further does it have to go without having terrible latency in every second game? Is this bullshit going on again that you can only say what people want to hear? Alright, you have a better connection experience, and? I dont. Plenty of people dont, plenty of people wait in que for 30 minutes only to get a matchup they can sleep through and win, and then play the guy endlessly on repeat. Plenty of players have recorded videos of their epic que times, or +1 point wins, which is why so many people are paying to use VPN's. And where did I insult you or anyone? I can clearly see where you called me an asshole, but my insult? Seems imaginary...
If you want to be matched globally, you have to make sure you have a good connection. This is how this peer to peer bullshit works. You cant have a shitty connection and make everyone else experience miserable. Why do you guys blame Matchmaking for that? I got matched with Peru after ~4-5 minutes, so the matchmaking clearly isnt even about perfect connection
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On July 19 2018 05:36 Gholas wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2018 05:31 Dazed. wrote:On July 19 2018 05:03 Gholas wrote:On July 17 2018 02:19 evilEye_ wrote:On July 14 2018 02:04 10dla wrote:On July 13 2018 06:13 evilEye_ wrote:On July 12 2018 21:55 QuadroX wrote:
I know it's probably just another "MMR is broken" post. Let's hope things will improve with rankings, but here's a couple of words from a completely new player.
As an example in Warcraft 3 you have a decent level system. First you go up to like level 25-30 then stay there for a while until you learn how to play properly then eventually go up to levels 35-40 which meant you're pretty good.
In SC2 there's was decent ranking system as well. You play constantly and you see how you go up the ladder, eventually you get transferred from bronze to silver then to gold then to plat etc.
Overall you play and you see the results. Like before I was lvl 20 in WC3 or in bronze SC2 and now after a year I'm in plat or diamond, or have 40 lvl battle.net. That boosts your confidence and you see that you are actually making some progress, you improve.
I feel like SC:R battle.net does not have this at all. I started playing a year ago (never played BW before). I play almost every day and my MMR stays the same all the time. When I just started it was around 1100-1500 going up and down like crazy. Having over 1000 games played it's still the same. MMR goes around the same range, never goes higher than 1500. Most of the time around 1250-1400 range. I face the same opponents. I win the same people and lose to the same guys. It's like there's a wall you hit every time you go closer to 1500. Something happens around this MMR (maybe smurfs of pros) and you drop down with like 15-20 loses in a row sometimes.
I feel that (subjectively) no matter how long you play you just stay exactly where you were all the time. I don't see any results or any progress. It's hard to say even by past replays whether I played worse or not. I wonder if it's possible to improve eventually over the years without devoting to the game 8-10 hrs a day like Koreans do. It's very frustrating.. I completely understand your point. And I think you are getting fed information that is irrelevant and/or nothing to do with what you're asking. I along with many others are facing similar situations as you and the answer is simple. It really comes down to 2 points of interest, 1 of which KogeT hit on the head (kudos to KogeT). Point 1: As KogeT mentioned, there are constantly new names and smurfs being created. So it doesn't matter what your MMR is. Depending on the location and time you play, you may very well end up playing 2K++ MMR people on smurf on new name over and over (until they achieve too many points to match with you anymore). The solution to this is simple...people should only be allowed to have one name for laddering. People will start bitching and whining about "what if I need to practice blah blah blah"....then just play a melee game. Host a "1v1 zerg only" or something. You don't NEED to ladder. Laddering is about finding good 1;1 games and trying to see your rank and how far up the totem pole you can move. Me for example, I've gotten slammed by Nyoken about 8 times in 30 games under various accounts of his. That should literally never happen. I should never even be considered in the same stratosphere. So this is point 1 about why it happens. Whoever is powerbombing you over and over is just some really good player who made a new name for any number of reasons. Point 2: The second point is about Blizzard itself. They fucked up the ladder system big time. People are gonna cry and bitch and moan here too but basically I don't care. I use myself an example. When the ladder system was still fresh, I was playing ALL kinds of people from all over the world. This was awesome. I got to play people of all different skill levels. I was playing mostly competative games with a few lopsided ones. Now, with whatever "fix" (fix my ass) blizzard did, it takes forever to match me. And when I do, I play the same 10 people over and over. I either stomp them or they stomp me. It is not enjoyable and I hover around the same MMR...moving up and down quickly, for no reason. The solution to this is simple; go back to how it was or improve it to be similar to how it was, minus the lag. So this is basically the correct answer. You can ignore everything else in the thread. I just saved you 2 hours of your time. You're welcome. Yeah, isnt it odd that you played everyone when everyone was in the same MMR? What do you want, a MMR reset every month? Clearly you understood 0% of what I said. I didn't say it had anything to do with the MMR. I said the way blizzard "fixed" the lag issue is by not allowing me to play besides anyone near me and at similar MMR. Which causes me to play the same 6 people over and over. That, coupled with people constantly making new names, means I am either playing the same person over and over or a pro over and over. Every game is lopsided; one way or the other. Next time you want to use sarcasm to illustrate your point and attempt to offend me, at least make sure you read what I wrote and that what you wrote makes sense....which it doesn't. You want to have a battle of wits but you're showing up unarmed.... GG On July 19 2018 02:28 Dazed. wrote:On July 19 2018 01:46 10dla wrote:On July 18 2018 16:54 Drake wrote:
i play a few games on my account ( i play mainly nighttime) and then i sit there with 1800-1900mrr and X-0 wins and i dont find any more games ... i sit and sit and it finds no games for me ... so i play with next account cause i not wannna wait 30 minutes for game ...
i think its a matchmaking problem first, people not wanna wait 30 minute for a game How is that a Matchmaking problem? You can find games on new accounts. And its Global after all. The people on your mmr are simply not there. And when people are allowed to reroll every time they simply pour gasoline into the problem It's not global. It's pretty obviously a match making problem: He doesnt get matched against players when he ques in the match maker. Get that? And how are we supposed to take you seriously when you dont even know the global match maker isnt global? Two personal attacks. Abrasive and aggressive. How do i report them? Tested 5 games in a row: Peru, Brasil, 2 USA (Long Island) and Russia. 2-5 minute waiting. I live in mid europe. Both USA had 24 TR, Russia 20, South America some terrible latency. Now that asshole says that matchmaking isnt global. What? Both of them are blatantly lying. How much further does it have to go without having terrible latency in every second game? Is this bullshit going on again that you can only say what people want to hear? Alright, you have a better connection experience, and? I dont. Plenty of people dont, plenty of people wait in que for 30 minutes only to get a matchup they can sleep through and win, and then play the guy endlessly on repeat. Plenty of players have recorded videos of their epic que times, or +1 point wins, which is why so many people are paying to use VPN's. And where did I insult you or anyone? I can clearly see where you called me an asshole, but my insult? Seems imaginary... If you want to be matched globally, you have to make sure you have a good connection. This is how this peer to peer bullshit works. You cant have a shitty connection and make everyone else experience miserable. Why do you guys blame Matchmaking for that? Already explained: I previously connected to others fine. Then they region locked me. Its inexplicable. Call it bad coding, I dont know. I'm not a technologically apt person. If i log into ladder its a genuine shock if i play more than one guy.
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On July 19 2018 05:00 kaboombaby wrote:
There is a difference. That difference is playing at 1300 and running into 1800 players vs playing at 1500 and having some ability to see it coming. People preying on the bottom vs preying on the middle is a pretty big difference. There's also a fairly large amount of room for improvement to this system.
The numbers themselves don't really matter. At 1300, getting smashed by a true 1500 would be hard to distinguish from getting smashed by an 1800, as has been noted many times in this thread so far. If I was a worse player, and my loss of over 100 points happened at 1500 rather than at 1800, I'd be at 1300 smashing the bottom of the skill floor too. My point was that while there are malicious users out there, not every story is such - but people at the bottom of the barrel never fail to equate every "strong" player at low/mid tier with a progamer smurf or something. The problem is that people at the bottom of the barrel lack perspective. People who have gotten past the midrange level of play have experienced every level of play before that - being a total noob, being terrible, being bad, being mediocre, then being middle-tier, then a little beyond that. Everyone who has ever gotten good at the game has gone through the same things you are complaining about.
On July 19 2018 05:00 kaboombaby wrote:
I could have hosted on ICCUP and avoided the smurf I can see coming a mile away. It was different actually. How quickly we forget.
That's true. My point was that the behavior was the same, not that you had less options for avoiding it.
On July 19 2018 05:00 kaboombaby wrote:
I don't know why certain people in the community cry "get the fuck out" so readily. Clearly I'm still playing the game. "There is no REASONABLE way to prevent this" does not indicate that nothing can be done whatsoever. Seems like such a lazy defeatist approach to take towards system design. In a space with evolving tech/systems we're just going to throw our hands up because you think it must be so. So much to say about laziness from new players yet so much intellectual laziness when it comes to potential improvements to a bare-bones antiquated ladder.
I'm providing my feedback. If your inclination is to ignore it entirely in favor of waxing on about how entitled I am then that's your prerogative.
As I said in my response, I didn't mean YOU, kaboombaby, specifically. I said it as a general "you." If the game is too tough, if getting crushed is something you take to heart, and if you're not used to working hard to get good at a game, then this game is not for "you," plain and simple. (EDIT: at least not 1v1 ladder, you can still UMS fastest and 3v3 hunt)
It is much easier to change your individual mentality than it is to stop some anonymous trolls who grief lower tier players. The answer is within you, not within changing the system. As I said above, EVERY player who has gotten above 1500 had to get crushed hundreds of times by superior and sometimes far superior players. It's a fact of the game, a fact of the skill level and disparity. Again, if a few trolls are enough to ruin the experience for "you," then "you" have already lost.
You try to defend noobie laziness (which I never asserted) by attacking veteran intellectual laziness (?), which is a fallacious argument to begin with, but more importantly it's wrong. It's hilarious to see players who are at 1300 MMR and below put their foot down and tell people who have played for years that "this is the way it is and your interpretation is wrong," when we had to go through the SAME thing but unlike you we made it to the other side of the admittedly low hurdle. Yea, sure, you could SOMETIMES sniff out smurfs on ICCup and ban them, but that means you were already coddling your ego by checking every person who joined your game to make sure they weren't better than you? You were proactively making sure you never had to get seriously challenged and pushed to improve? That's laziness, or vulnerability I guess. That's why some people never got anywhere, because they were too afraid to lose and get outclassed to improve.
What is your feedback, exactly? That griefers are bad and the community has some poopyheads in it? I haven't seen any constructive suggestions from you about how to approach this "fairly large amount of room for improvement."
Here are the things that I think might help:
1. One account can have 3 different MMRs, one for each race.
2. Being able to race-pick (PvT, PvP, TvZ).
3. More frequent seasons.
Here are things you probably want but are unreasonable:
1. 1 Ladder account per CD key.
2. Some sort of investigative team that bans people who grief or appear to grief.
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I think this thread has devolved into people arguing apples and oranges. On the one hand it's counterproductive and harmful to your personal growth as a player to give up personal accountability for stagnation and blame the ladder system for all your statecraft woes, but I also think that not acknowledging that these issues affect peoples experiences is willfully ignorant. That being said, being trapped at any mmr is 100% on the player and the onus is on you to improve your mmr. Additionally I think for anybody who isn't a progamer, obsessing over your mmr vs your own perceived skill level is pointless.
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While I do think it's fair to say there's tons of problems with the ladder system (although I agree with posts that say it's your fault for being "stuck"), something underappreciated about this game that I think alleviates the issue is just how much improvement you can do in single player, without having to worry about the ladder at all.
Seriously, if ladder is getting you down, go grind out some builds in single player vs. AI, especially if you're in that 1400-1550 range or lower!
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On July 19 2018 11:31 DreXxiN wrote:
Seriously, if ladder is getting you down, go grind out some builds in single player vs. AI, especially if you're in that 1400-1550 range or lower!
Great advice but it doesn't help much if you queue into people 900mmr above you, (which happened to me today) Getting super uneven matches is a waste of time for both parts imo.
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On July 23 2018 07:28 Jan1997 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2018 11:31 DreXxiN wrote:
Seriously, if ladder is getting you down, go grind out some builds in single player vs. AI, especially if you're in that 1400-1550 range or lower! Great advice but it doesn't help much if you queue into people 900mmr above you, (which happened to me today) Getting super uneven matches is a waste of time for both parts imo.
As someone who got repeatedly smashed in arena shooters for a while, especially in ones with a low population and high volume of veteran players, typically getting smashed was the only way to play. I would spend 40% of my time dead in the game, instead of actually being able to play. However, it was trial by fire that allowed me to quickly gain experience and become better at the game, and personally I feel I was better off for it.
Similarly, I would always want to play against better players in brood war, no matter how far apart our game play is. I agree with the poster you quoted that if you feel like your execution is behind, then single player is a great way to refine that, before jumping back in and getting smashed. It doesn't matter too much who you play, it just matters that you try your best and improve at all times, regardless of how much better your opponent is.
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People Who complaint about skillz being to much apart are people Who want to be able to Win . Pratice is not the main concern for them imo. But rather a close game us what they want.
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On July 19 2018 05:00 kaboombaby wrote:
I don't know why certain people in the community cry "get the fuck out" so readily.
Get used to it. You are writing in a BW forum, there is not much else to expect. If you want cuddles go play another more casual game.
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