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TLADT24920 Posts
Blizzard still has rights over BW regardless of whether we like it or not, otherwise Afreeca wouldn't have the amount of trouble that they are having now. Also, yes, no one should be advocating for DDOSing any company or whatever else. That's actionable on here and frankly, quite stupid to even think of. This isn't how the world works...
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On January 29 2018 14:25 K.H.J wrote:
Briteney said something about ASL5.
His original plan was holding new tournament which replace ASL5( do you remember GTB? He planned something like that). So he asked it to AfreecaTV 2days ago. And AfreecaTV said that 'our goal is holding ASL5 in February. So please wait. We are negotiating with blizzard now.'
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On January 30 2018 01:06 BigFan wrote:Blizzard still has rights over BW regardless of whether we like it or not, otherwise Afreeca wouldn't have the amount of trouble that they are having now. Also, yes, no one should be advocating for DDOSing any company or whatever else. That's actionable on here and frankly, quite stupid to even think of. This isn't how the world works... Relevant to the discussion: Show nested quote +On January 29 2018 14:25 K.H.J wrote:
Briteney said something about ASL5.
His original plan was holding new tournament which replace ASL5( do you remember GTB? He planned something like that). So he asked it to AfreecaTV 2days ago. And AfreecaTV said that 'our goal is holding ASL5 in February. So please wait. We are negotiating with blizzard now.'
Well that is postive, thanks BigFan.
Is the tournament "fee" Blizz wants from tournament organisers for just live events? I recall an issue, might have been ASL4 even, where there was an issue financially and one of the things the organiser suggested as a worsy case scenario was an online only tourney.
I'd be interested in learning of the caveats if there are any.
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I write long ass post but I don't think anyone can actually understand what I wrote with my bad english so I'll just link this for anyone interested about the law regarding video games tournament
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/07/why-nintendo-can-legally-shut-down-any-smash-bros-tournament-it-wants/
On January 30 2018 01:53 DSK wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2018 01:06 BigFan wrote:Blizzard still has rights over BW regardless of whether we like it or not, otherwise Afreeca wouldn't have the amount of trouble that they are having now. Also, yes, no one should be advocating for DDOSing any company or whatever else. That's actionable on here and frankly, quite stupid to even think of. This isn't how the world works... Relevant to the discussion: On January 29 2018 14:25 K.H.J wrote:
Briteney said something about ASL5.
His original plan was holding new tournament which replace ASL5( do you remember GTB? He planned something like that). So he asked it to AfreecaTV 2days ago. And AfreecaTV said that 'our goal is holding ASL5 in February. So please wait. We are negotiating with blizzard now.' Well that is postive, thanks BigFan. Is the tournament "fee" Blizz wants from tournament organisers for just live events? I recall an issue, might have been ASL4 even, where there was an issue financially and one of the things the organiser suggested as a worsy case scenario was an online only tourney. I'd be interested in learning of the caveats if there are any.
also, regarding fees, blizzard restriction is based on prize pool and sponsorship
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/Dl4eOMX.png)
This is my community tournament that I applied 2 minutes ago (it's auto approved)
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/NoOlzdo.png)
you can check it yourself here.
https://communitytournaments.blizzardesports.com/en-gb/
I haven't tried the custom license since I don't have money to burns tho
EDIT: I hope I don't have to actually organize a tournament otherwise I'm fucked and future hypothetical tournament I maybe or maybe not organize could be in danger of never gonna get approved.
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On January 30 2018 01:06 BigFan wrote:Blizzard still has rights over BW regardless of whether we like it or not, otherwise Afreeca wouldn't have the amount of trouble that they are having now. Also, yes, no one should be advocating for DDOSing any company or whatever else. That's actionable on here and frankly, quite stupid to even think of. This isn't how the world works... Relevant to the discussion: Show nested quote +On January 29 2018 14:25 K.H.J wrote:
Briteney said something about ASL5.
His original plan was holding new tournament which replace ASL5( do you remember GTB? He planned something like that). So he asked it to AfreecaTV 2days ago. And AfreecaTV said that 'our goal is holding ASL5 in February. So please wait. We are negotiating with blizzard now.'
well we live in times where certain people feel that DDOS attacks and other method's of (illegal) internet activity are legit ways to express the beliefs and expectations of social groups towards big corporations, politics and society as a whole. I don't want to claim here that Anomynous does just that, but enough people are arguing that DDOS attacks like Operation Payback are a form of Civil Disobedience.
I leave it up to anyone in these forums, to make up their own mind and use their ethical compass on those Questions.
Then again, you shouldn't talk about DDOSing Blizzard, to me it's just wrong.
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On January 30 2018 00:50 toriak wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2018 23:23 207aicila wrote:
You can hate Blizzard quite a bit without going into what's basically cyberterrorism advocacy.
Better still would be to hate the laws that enable shitstains like them to do what they do. Same w/ Nintendo and their treatment of fans. Blizzard didn't make this game, it was their predecessors. They just inherited the rights. Korea made the scene we all love. Stop worshipping Blizzard as if they were the gods that made the game. They actively are trying to destroy the scene for a decade now.
Are you okay? Why did you quote that guy's post verbatim?
On January 30 2018 00:40 SCC-Faust wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2018 23:23 207aicila wrote:
Better still would be to hate the laws that enable shitstains like them to do what they do. Same w/ Nintendo and their treatment of fans. I want to google what Nintendo has done to their fans but I'm scared to find out and ruin my childhood love for the company.
A number of things, including takedowns of various community project ROMhacks for some of their old games and a hyperaggressive DMCA policy on YouTube that carpets any content related to their games before asking and essentially strongarms Nintendo-focused channels into an agreement where they give a big chunk of their profit to Nintendo. Like oh you made a channel in 2006 to talk about old NES and GB games out of love and passion? Take them down right now or sign this contract and whereby you give us 40% (?) of all your YT revenue.
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Haven't followed BW in a little while. Anyone have a one-sentence quote on what's going on?
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TLADT24920 Posts
On January 30 2018 04:24 Hier wrote:
Haven't followed BW in a little while. Anyone have a one-sentence quote on what's going on?
Afreeca is having problems starting ASL5 due to Blizzard's involvement in the scene with rm release. Whether it's money-related or something else is anyone's guess but CEO was asking fans to pressure the company to get it started asap.
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On January 30 2018 02:17 Shana wrote:I write long ass post but I don't think anyone can actually understand what I wrote with my bad english so I'll just link this for anyone interested about the law regarding video games tournament https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/07/why-nintendo-can-legally-shut-down-any-smash-bros-tournament-it-wants/Show nested quote +On January 30 2018 01:53 DSK wrote:On January 30 2018 01:06 BigFan wrote:Blizzard still has rights over BW regardless of whether we like it or not, otherwise Afreeca wouldn't have the amount of trouble that they are having now. Also, yes, no one should be advocating for DDOSing any company or whatever else. That's actionable on here and frankly, quite stupid to even think of. This isn't how the world works... Relevant to the discussion: On January 29 2018 14:25 K.H.J wrote:
Briteney said something about ASL5.
His original plan was holding new tournament which replace ASL5( do you remember GTB? He planned something like that). So he asked it to AfreecaTV 2days ago. And AfreecaTV said that 'our goal is holding ASL5 in February. So please wait. We are negotiating with blizzard now.' Well that is postive, thanks BigFan. Is the tournament "fee" Blizz wants from tournament organisers for just live events? I recall an issue, might have been ASL4 even, where there was an issue financially and one of the things the organiser suggested as a worsy case scenario was an online only tourney. I'd be interested in learning of the caveats if there are any. also, regarding fees, blizzard restriction is based on prize pool and sponsorship + Show Spoiler +This is my community tournament that I applied 2 minutes ago (it's auto approved) + Show Spoiler +you can check it yourself here. https://communitytournaments.blizzardesports.com/en-gb/I haven't tried the custom license since I don't have money to burns tho EDIT: I hope I don't have to actually organize a tournament otherwise I'm fucked and future hypothetical tournament I maybe or maybe not organize could be in danger of never gonna get approved.
Thanks, Shana. I saw this about an hour ago actually, after taking a look myself. Your English seems fine, but I can proof read your post if you like?.
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On January 30 2018 02:39 207aicila wrote:
Why did you quote that guy's post verbatim?
because you seem to have reading issues
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On January 30 2018 04:26 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2018 04:24 Hier wrote:
Haven't followed BW in a little while. Anyone have a one-sentence quote on what's going on? Afreeca is having problems starting ASL5 due to Blizzard's involvement in the scene with rm release. Whether it's money-related or something else is anyone's guess but CEO was asking fans to pressure the company to get it started asap.
I wasn't aware Blizzard was involved in ASL4.
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On January 30 2018 05:57 toriak wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2018 02:39 207aicila wrote:
Why did you quote that guy's post verbatim?
because you seems to have reading issues
Would you care to elaborate?
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Heh, I didn't even know Blizzard had a "small tournament" submission page.
Haven't done it. Won't do it til they yell at me.
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SC2 was fabricated to be an eSport with tournaments happening all the time, people able to start careers in it, and a whole community growing up from zero as managed by Blizzard.
God's own game, StarCraft: Brood War, is stuck in negotiation hell for it's one real tournament a year, and is living primarily off of streaming, hardly any different from someone streaming any other popular game.
GOD'S OWN GAME.
I think there is a mismatch in supply and demand here. There is an argument happening because things are just barely not working out. If it were egregious, Afreeca might not even be trying. If it were affordable, Afreeca would be completely happy to pay the fees. I haven't heard about anyone else trying to run large tournaments for BW anymore. Afreeca is it, they're the only ones who feel in a strong enough position to try it.
The idea of Blizzard letting their IP run wild anymore is a fantasy. It seemed like with 1.18 and "we're making BW free*!" that that might be the direction they were headed, but we're seeing no special treatment for BW, no acknowledgement of the special difficulties BW organizers are facing with trying to keep an old game with a mature community running, no special acknowledgement for the benefits Blizzard has accrued and will continue to accrue from people making tournaments about their games, greatly extending the lifespan of their games and the enduring popularity of their company. For Blizzard, those details are too airy fairy to make decisions on, or they are simply not being considered.
I don't think it matters if fans pressure relevant gaming company. It's a short term solution to protect Afreeca's current investment in making ASL5 happen, but I think they're going to give up if Blizzard can't promise to make things easier in the future. This little trick is a one-time thing to minimize losses. BW is suffocating, and we're not going to have those carefree days back again.
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On January 31 2018 02:16 Chef wrote:
SC2 was fabricated to be an eSport with tournaments happening all the time, people able to start careers in it, and a whole community growing up from zero as managed by Blizzard.
God's own game, StarCraft: Brood War, is stuck in negotiation hell for it's one real tournament a year, and is living primarily off of streaming, hardly any different from someone streaming any other popular game.
GOD'S OWN GAME.
I think there is a mismatch in supply and demand here. There is an argument happening because things are just barely not working out. If it were egregious, Afreeca might not even be trying. If it were affordable, Afreeca would be completely happy to pay the fees. I haven't heard about anyone else trying to run large tournaments for BW anymore. Afreeca is it, they're the only ones who feel in a strong enough position to try it.
The idea of Blizzard letting their IP run wild anymore is a fantasy. It seemed like with 1.18 and "we're making BW free*!" that they might be the direction they were headed, but we're seeing no special treatment for BW, no acknowledgement of the special difficulties BW organizers are facing with trying to keep an old game with a mature company running, no special acknowledgement for the benefits Blizzard has accrued and will continue to accrue from people making tournaments about their games, greatly extending the lifespan of their games and the enduring popularity of their company. For Blizzard, those details are too airy fairy to make decisions on, or they are simply not being considered.
I don't think it matters if fans pressure relevant gaming company. It's a short term solution to protect Afreeca's current investment in making ASL5 happen, but I think they're going to give up if Blizzard can't promise to make things easier in the future. This little trick is a one-time thing to minimize losses. BW is suffocating, and we're not going to have those carefree days back again.
Hear, hear! Very well put.
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Croatia9542 Posts
On January 31 2018 02:16 Chef wrote:
BW is suffocating, and we're not going to have those carefree days back again.
I don't think we have had carefree days since SC2 came out. My only dream is to have those days again, no matter how long in the future.
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On January 31 2018 02:58 2Pacalypse- wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2018 02:16 Chef wrote:
BW is suffocating, and we're not going to have those carefree days back again. I don't think we have had carefree days since SC2 came out. My only dream is to have those days again, no matter how long in the future.
Im afraid i have to agree. Basically, ever since Blizzard started taking an interest again in their starcraft franchise [way back, when Sc2 was announced], things started going down hill. We saw the blizzard vs kespa lawsuit, resulting in big financial problems and ultimativly in the shutdown of bw osl and forced switch to Sc2. We had massive PR to make SC2 the next big esport thing. Most players left bw for good. Look at the big tournaments during WoL times: how often have known english speaking casters basically declared broodwar as a thing of the past?
We thrived when the korean players and viewers returned to BW for the passion. Know that Blizzard also has deployed the tools to impose their policy on afreeca with the launch of SC:R, death of FISH and other servers, i have little hope for carefree days ahead.
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These are depressing times man...
Remastered made me hopeful that the new 2D graphics would make BW a timeless game that people would seek out for the prestige of playing the hardest E-sport.
A new era of sorts.
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On January 31 2018 07:34 KungKras wrote:
These are depressing times man...
Remastered made me hopeful that the new 2D graphics would make BW a timeless game that people would seek out for the prestige of playing the hardest E-sport.
A new era of sorts.
BW was already a timeless game. Graphics mean nothing for longevity because they are outdated very quickly.
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On January 31 2018 02:16 Chef wrote:
I think there is a mismatch in supply and demand here. There is an argument happening because things are just barely not working out. If it were egregious, Afreeca might not even be trying. If it were affordable, Afreeca would be completely happy to pay the fees. I haven't heard about anyone else trying to run large tournaments for BW anymore. Afreeca is it, they're the only ones who feel in a strong enough position to try it.
There were at least two others TOs right? The new WCG and i can't remember the other one.
Both rethought their decision after Blizzard demanded those 90k.
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TLADT24920 Posts
On January 30 2018 06:04 Hier wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2018 04:26 BigFan wrote:On January 30 2018 04:24 Hier wrote:
Haven't followed BW in a little while. Anyone have a one-sentence quote on what's going on? Afreeca is having problems starting ASL5 due to Blizzard's involvement in the scene with rm release. Whether it's money-related or something else is anyone's guess but CEO was asking fans to pressure the company to get it started asap. I wasn't aware Blizzard was involved in ASL4.
should clarify. I didn't mean that Blizzard actually did anything, rather involvement meant them asking Afreeca to pay x to run ASL. Afaik, aside from that, Blizzard has not be involved in anything related to ASL so they only make money from it.
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