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KungKras
Sweden484 Posts
On January 31 2018 07:49 Miragee wrote: BW was already a timeless game. Graphics mean nothing for longevity because they are outdated very quickly. In my opinion only 3D graphics get outdated. 2D graphics don't as long as they have a high enough resolution. Original BW graphis were outdated because they were too low res. SC:R won't become outdated in a very, very long time though. | ||
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RWLabs
Korea (South)273 Posts
On February 02 2018 04:29 KungKras wrote: In my opinion only 3D graphics get outdated. 2D graphics don't as long as they have a high enough resolution. Original BW graphis were outdated because they were too low res. SC:R won't become outdated in a very, very long time though. I think with 3D, the question is often 'How realistic is it?', which leaves it subject to advances in technology. 2D on the other hand feels much more like an artistic choice, which is why pixel games aren't ridiculed how absurd they look. | ||
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[AS]Rattus
427 Posts
Just the games, that aim for realism get outdated if they don't look realistic anymore. I still like the looks of many N64 games even though they are 3D. And several PS2/3 and Xbox games look like crap. | ||
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207aicila
1237 Posts
On February 02 2018 15:33 [AS]Rattus wrote: If the art style works for 3D it won't get outdated either. Just the games, that aim for realism get outdated if they don't look realistic anymore. I still like the looks of many N64 games even though they are 3D. And several PS2/3 and Xbox games look like crap. People like the look of N64 because of irrational nostalgia, not because they look good lmfao. In fact N64 had the worst graphics and performance of that console generation. Sorry to break your internet circlejerk but it's true. | ||
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Kenny_mk1
31 Posts
On February 02 2018 18:43 207aicila wrote: People like the look of N64 because of irrational nostalgia, not because they look good lmfao. In fact N64 had the worst graphics and performance of that console generation. Sorry to break your internet circlejerk but it's true. No. Worst graphics PERFORMANCE, not worst graphics.. MariO64 & Banjo Kazooie still looks good because they got nice artistic unrealist choices. Same goes for older Doom, some of the newest levels made by guys really good at it, they looks good because they got irrealist architecture. | ||
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207aicila
1237 Posts
On February 02 2018 20:40 Kenny_mk1 wrote: No. Worst graphics PERFORMANCE, not worst graphics.. MariO64 & Banjo Kazooie still looks good because they got nice artistic unrealist choices. Same goes for older Doom, some of the newest levels made by guys really good at it, they looks good because they got irrealist architecture. If you think Mario 64 looks anywhere near as good as Doom in terms of artistic direction and cohesion you are high as fuck lol. Which is ironic because Doom isn't even 3D but hey... And yeah, true, WADs like Vailant and Ancient Aliens look fucking amazing, it's crazy what the guys at doomworld keep making even 20+ years later. | ||
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[AS]Rattus
427 Posts
On February 02 2018 18:43 207aicila wrote: People like the look of N64 because of irrational nostalgia, not because they look good lmfao. In fact N64 had the worst graphics and performance of that console generation. Sorry to break your internet circlejerk but it's true. sure, if the oracle of truth tells me its true, it has to be. ego "circle"jerk over there? | ||
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rotta
5584 Posts
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Lorch
Germany3672 Posts
On February 02 2018 18:43 207aicila wrote: People like the look of N64 because of irrational nostalgia, not because they look good lmfao. In fact N64 had the worst graphics and performance of that console generation. Sorry to break your internet circlejerk but it's true. For 3rd party titles, sure. But for 1st party ones? Come on Mario and Zelda both look way better than anything you can see on the 3DO/Jaguar (at least in terms of games that were released during that gen, the jaguar has some fantastic homebrew games that came out way later). The N64 had a huge issue with the cpu having to go through the gpu to get to the ram and having cartridges instead of CDs was also an obvious issue. But the people at Nintendo sure as hell knew how to make good use of their system. The n64 is actually the most powerful system of it's generation, it's just that most 3rd parties sucked at developing for it. And I honestly think that Mario/Zelda are at least up to par with the PS1s/Saturns most beautiful games. And just to clear it up: I never owned a N64 as a kid, and all my friends back then had PS1s. I only started to play games on the n64 a couple of years ago when I got into collecting older games systems. | ||
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Hier
2391 Posts
On January 31 2018 14:17 BigFan wrote: should clarify. I didn't mean that Blizzard actually did anything, rather involvement meant them asking Afreeca to pay x to run ASL. Afaik, aside from that, Blizzard has not be involved in anything related to ASL so they only make money from it. So, the barrier is Blizzard delaying the license to Afreeca for ASL5, which generates them money without any investment on their part? Something is still off. | ||
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
On February 03 2018 01:46 rotta wrote: ASL5 on StarCraft 64 plz FlaSh wins. | ||
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_Animus_
Bulgaria1064 Posts
On February 03 2018 02:24 Lorch wrote: For 3rd party titles, sure. But for 1st party ones? Come on Mario and Zelda both look way better than anything you can see on the 3DO/Jaguar (at least in terms of games that were released during that gen, the jaguar has some fantastic homebrew games that came out way later). The N64 had a huge issue with the cpu having to go through the gpu to get to the ram and having cartridges instead of CDs was also an obvious issue. But the people at Nintendo sure as hell knew how to make good use of their system. The n64 is actually the most powerful system of it's generation, it's just that most 3rd parties sucked at developing for it. And I honestly think that Mario/Zelda are at least up to par with the PS1s/Saturns most beautiful games. And just to clear it up: I never owned a N64 as a kid, and all my friends back then had PS1s. I only started to play games on the n64 a couple of years ago when I got into collecting older games systems. Ps1 was made for 3D, so had the best 3d graphics, Saturn was made for 2D so best 2D graphics. While nintendo 64... i cant see where it shines, all that foggy graphics with only cartoonish colors, so far from the reality that ps1 can give. I guess its time to become real hardcore and play with joypad, keyboard is making the game too easy for real men. | ||
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Jae Zedong
407 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://nerdist.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Mario-64-Zelda-Mash-Up-1.jpg) I'm sorry but that looks like shit no matter how rosy your nostalgia glasses may be. Most 2D games from that era (like Brood War) look way, way better. | ||
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Lazare1969
United States318 Posts
On February 04 2018 22:14 Jae Zedong wrote: Mario 64 graphics: + Show Spoiler + I'm sorry but that looks like shit no matter how rosy your nostalgia glasses may be. Most 2D games from that era (like Brood War) look way, way better. You're forgetting that you're looking at a screenshot (still image). Mario 64 is a game with lots of motion, primarily from a constantly moving and rotating camera. If you actually play the game or watch a gameplay video on youtube, the low resolution textures are not as noticeable. What really "ages" older 3D games is clunky, frustrating controls, not its graphics. A good example of this is Indiana Jones and the Infernal Machine. | ||
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ProMeTheus112
France2027 Posts
 still my fav 3D platformer I think. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10666 Posts
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arb
Noobville17920 Posts
On February 04 2018 22:14 Jae Zedong wrote: Mario 64 graphics: + Show Spoiler + I'm sorry but that looks like shit no matter how rosy your nostalgia glasses may be. Most 2D games from that era (like Brood War) look way, way better. Most games in 3D wont age well compared to say.. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/metroid/images/d/d2/Super_Metroid_Mother_Brain_tank.png/revision/latest?cb=20070715170036) 2D games will always age better, as said above I believe hand drawn sprites really make it that way imo | ||
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[AS]Rattus
427 Posts
On February 04 2018 22:14 Jae Zedong wrote: Mario 64 graphics: + Show Spoiler + I'm sorry but that looks like shit no matter how rosy your nostalgia glasses may be. Most 2D games from that era (like Brood War) look way, way better. was wondering where the fuck that screenshot is supposed to come from. And that scene was never a part of SM64. It's some OoT/SM64-Mod. I guess the first google results from the actual game weren't ugly enough for you to support your case. :-/ In fact, it doesn't show up at all if you google for SM64 pictures. You really dug deep there because the actual screenshots don't look ugly at all. | ||
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arb
Noobville17920 Posts
On February 05 2018 10:10 [AS]Rattus wrote: was wondering where the fuck that screenshot is supposed to come from. And that scene was never a part of SM64. It's some OoT/SM64-Mod. I guess the first google results from the actual game weren't ugly enough for you to support your case. :-/ In fact, it doesn't show up at all if you google for SM64 pictures. You really dug deep there because the actual screenshots don't look ugly at all. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://static.highsnobiety.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/23161416/super-mario-64-best-game-mario-2.jpg) It's still not a gorgeous game compared to newer ones, sorry | ||
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orvinreyes
577 Posts
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