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ByuuN
Poland678 Posts
On January 24 2018 03:27 SCC-Faust wrote: Legendary old e-sports games that still remain to this day: I miss watching ASL and Flash victories. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On January 23 2018 05:19 RogerChillingworth wrote: As long as the money keeps pouring in, though, what incentive do they have to really improve their character? Well, bad PR is bad PR. It'll haunt them. | ||
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KR_4EVR
316 Posts
Well, bad PR is bad PR. It'll haunt them. No, all PR (including bad PR) is PR, and therefore good for PR. U.S. President Trump case in point. | ||
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Miragee
8477 Posts
On January 24 2018 06:52 Kimbol wrote: Arent you the guy sniping Artosis (Korea)? Why would you do that? Why would you give him intentionally a bad experience? DotA had esports? When? User was temp banned for this post. What? o.O | ||
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Piste
6169 Posts
I don't understand. There are smaller tournaments like the foreign ones and Afreeca sponsored DanJJING star leagues, those do not pay 100k dollar fees to Blizzard now do they? Why would ASL need to pay? What am I missing here? | ||
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RoyalMTGO
United States7 Posts
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dicey
142 Posts
On January 23 2018 08:38 dicey wrote: This is not how to do tweet campaigning. As someone between pages 3-6 said, focus on the positive, so let's just be inquisitive for the time being, see if someone replies to "Is anyone @Blizzard_Ent looking into the Afreeca Starleague 5 situation? What's the holdup for starting the SC Brood War tournament?". @Starcraft for the first day, then switch around for @Activision and partners they have for Overwatch or Heroes tournaments (dunno Intel, Razer?, Red Bull.. the like). Also @afreecaTV_gl to see where they stand after a day or two. Don't forget to add gaming journalists now and then, @cynicalbrit @pcgamer @Polaris @Kotaku_UK @rockpapershot and many more. But most important is to do them at the same time and regularly (they can even be automated a few times a day -- no idea how though). And every now and then tweeting a gif or a picture (they get shared far more often) is useful. Also, while at it, pictures of pink knitted hats from D.C. while we're at making the world a better place... (self-deprecating not cynical) I guess I'm repeating myself, but I do believe that if any outcry isn't focused/gets visibility by happening at the same time it won't matter. In my humble opinion, and assuming people are highly passionate about BW as I keep reading, also asking business partners and g-journalists the slightly uncomfortable questions (in Twitter by simply adding @s) might have the highest impact. Coordinate with a streamer/GSL for a time to drop a few lines? | ||
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onlystar
United States971 Posts
On January 24 2018 17:41 RoyalMTGO wrote: The issue is intellectual property laws. You can't blame Blizzard for trying to make as much money as they can by taking advantage of them. The concept of IP is nonsense and everything to do with it needs to be repealed. If you're interested in learning more about how IP laws have hurt progress and humanity in general since their inception, you can read (for free online, of course) Against Intellectual Monopoly. Disagree here trying to milk as much money out of a product is a strategy But so is supporting you’re product to make it better more viewed whatever Just make scr grow and expand Both strategies can be used just that for scr /scbw the milking the product is hurtfull in the long term to the fans the product pro gaming blizzards image sales for scr. | ||
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Lorch
Germany3672 Posts
On January 24 2018 17:41 RoyalMTGO wrote: The issue is intellectual property laws. You can't blame Blizzard for trying to make as much money as they can by taking advantage of them. The concept of IP is nonsense and everything to do with it needs to be repealed. If you're interested in learning more about how IP laws have hurt progress and humanity in general since their inception, you can read (for free online, of course) Against Intellectual Monopoly. Of course I can. They could also support their game and use it as good pr. If blizzard is that cool company that supports it's 20 year old game, I'm more inclined to buy future products from them. If blizzard tries to kill it's own game's scene several times, I don't see any reason to buy their new games. The fact that blizzard isn't even responding is so sad. I guess they just want to kill BW off for good. I feel bad for the devs working on remastered. It must suck to spent so much time on something only so that your superiors can kill it off. | ||
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ProMeTheus112
France2027 Posts
but I also have no problem blaming blizzard 100% for their related actions as well  | ||
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Alpha-NP-
United States1242 Posts
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Sokokrey
74 Posts
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Cryoc
Germany909 Posts
On January 24 2018 16:50 Piste wrote: I don't understand. There are smaller tournaments like the foreign ones and Afreeca sponsored DanJJING star leagues, those do not pay 100k dollar fees to Blizzard now do they? Why would ASL need to pay? What am I missing here? When you exceed a certain prize pool threshold (like 5000$+ or so), you have to ask for permission to hold a tour. I remember, when they introduced that (5 or so years ago), they said something along the lines it is just supposed to be a pro forma act with a 1$ dollar fee at the time so that their IP rights are acknowledged. | ||
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ProMeTheus112
France2027 Posts
i dont know what else to say that i'm opposed to this, something somewhat reasonable in my mind would be something that says they can ask for a small %, like 5% of the prize pool, but even that is weird because that's the company taking money out of dedicated players doing amazing stuff that promotes their game, so yeah they should pretty much leave it alone all things considered or give money to support it if they want but what law actually says they can impose their permission lock, is there a law that says that I'm curious wtf law applies here lol. I mean is this a korean law, or a american law, or what... ?_? I mean who deserves to tax some money off these tourneys seriously, maybe the actual developers of the game but even they would probably say that'd be weird for them to ask don't you think imo, you bought the game, you can do what you want with it... | ||
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[AS]Rattus
427 Posts
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RogerChillingworth
2827 Posts
On January 24 2018 20:58 Lorch wrote: Of course I can. They could also support their game and use it as good pr. If blizzard is that cool company that supports it's 20 year old game, I'm more inclined to buy future products from them. If blizzard tries to kill it's own game's scene several times, I don't see any reason to buy their new games. The fact that blizzard isn't even responding is so sad. I guess they just want to kill BW off for good. I feel bad for the devs working on remastered. It must suck to spent so much time on something only so that your superiors can kill it off. Not to sound like a broken record, but there was no indication that SC:R was an attempt to re-establish a vibrant scene. Not that I could tell, anyway. For all we know, it was an easy way to make a good deal of money. At $15 per copy, that's a lot of moola for a 20 year old game. I bought one for myself and gifted 2 copies to friends. Anything that was said in interviews about bringing the game back could easily have been marketing to sell more copies--as much as we all hoped it would come with a genuine effort not just to keep the fire burning, but set it ablaze. It's sad to imagine, but it makes a good deal of sense. Especially from what we know about Blizzard, these days (Hearthstone, Overwatch having become Overwatch and not Titan, and an in-general hardcore approach to business and "the bottom line" over everything else. "big company stakeholder" shit is designed simply to wring all the money out of something and then move to the next thing. Cold, calculated, unimaginitive, ruthless--not the company that made Brood War and Diablo 2). Releasing SC:Remastered coinciding with an ASL and English casters everyone loves, Day9 making a bunch of content--so much hyyyyype!!!! 6 months later, though: skid marks. And it's hard for me to buy the argument that Brood War competes with SC2. Aside from a few players who play both games, like Ret, they have their separate player bases that don't cross-pollinate. You have your BW players--especially the Koreans--and you have your SC2 players. There's very little deciding in what one wants to go all-in. Because you can only practice one of the two games enough to compete at the highest level, obviously. But this is such a minor issue, it shouldn't be a real consideration. And if this is at all an attempt to get more pros to switch back to SC2 who have since committed to BW, that's a whole other big problem that I don't think will work out for Blizzard at all in the long run. At the end of the day, a lack of a statement from Blizzard on top of what we already assume to be happening behind the curtain isn't merely deeply upsetting; it's completely warping my view of the legacy of Blizzard as a company. A possible overreaction, but color me a bitter old fan of their Gen1 and Gen2 games and corporate philosophy. | ||
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[AS]Rattus
427 Posts
just spread the message and never buy anything blizzard related ever again. Won't have an impact though. | ||
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hp.Shell
United States2527 Posts
You can't buy loot crates in SCR. New SCR players won't buy Overwatch, won't buy crates. Afreeca should do everything they can to get around the rules. If the max prize pool they can have is $5000 then they should devise a system of tournaments instead of just one. Winning one tournament gives that prize money, and $1 goes to Bli*****, and the top 4 qualify into the next tournament, which also has a $5000 prize pool, and another $1 to B******d. Then the scene could still have high level games, the prize money would be more distributed lower into the ranks instead of just the top 3 get everything, due to the multiple tournament setup. It's possible, why not go this way? Think of it like Code A and Code S, or the Premier League. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Alternatively ASL5 should be a series of tournaments so that Afreeca can avoid a $1 fee. That $1 fee is such a huge amount that ASL5 cannot begin! That huge barrier to ASL5 that ONE DOLLAR exists just to tempt people away from Broodwar and into the sole alternative game in the world, Overwatch where they will now spend money on lootboxes. Are you freaking serious? My word, the crazy things people believe in this forum and the strange places that belief will take them. | ||
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404AlphaSquad
839 Posts
On January 25 2018 04:42 hp.Shell wrote: It's about Overwatch. You can't buy loot crates in SCR. New SCR players won't buy Overwatch, won't buy crates. Tbh, the BW community would probably cry the loudest if suddenly lootboxes with cosmetic skins would be introduced into the game and how it ruins it ^^. | ||
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