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On January 21 2018 03:53 FlaShFTW wrote:
So here are the actual facts and feel free to contend with some of these but this is how I've viewed everything thus far.
AfreecaTV has come out to say that Blizzard is difficult to work with and putting a lot of difficulty into getting the ASL5.
Blizzard has given no other opinion to state that this is true, nor that this is false. They have had radio silence on us and don't seem interested at all in trying to correct the record or defend themselves.
Therefore, people are more upset at Blizzard because of their lack of transparency into the situation. This on top of the fact that Blizzard has been historically a poor company to work with for these tournaments.
So what happens next? Well, the best way is to have Blizzard come out with their own statement regarding the situation, which is highly doubtful considering they haven't already and I'm not sure they even give a damn about our community. Regardless, right now we're stuck with no ASL5, and a pissed off community.
Thanks for wrapping it all up. I am getting lost in this waterfall. Very sad news for us.
I wonder how actually big is SC community?
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On January 21 2018 07:30 RealityIsKing wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2018 05:41 sabas123 wrote:
Why would do Blizzard want to do any of this? It makes no sense to shoot themselves in the foot with this, there surely must be another reason.
What is the current legal situation with regards to the Brood War broadcasting rights, does KeSPA still own them, did Blizzard regained all of the rights with release of SC:R. And if KeSPA has the rights for 1.16 but not SC:R, is Blizzard afraid of getting sued by KeSPA? The activeness of BW directly hurt SC2's presence. Let's face it, its a zero sum game for the games, despite what people will brainwash you to think otherwise.
Not really, ever since the split between BW and SC2 back in 2010 and 2012, it was pretty apparent BW fans wouldn't simply switch over.
On January 21 2018 07:43 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2018 05:41 sabas123 wrote:
Why would do Blizzard want to do any of this? It makes no sense to shoot themselves in the foot with this, there surely must be another reason.
However, here's how the situation might be going down. Blizzard demands an exorbitant sum for licensing. Afreeca can't negotiate: either they pay, or Blizzard doesn't let them run the tournament. Even if Afreeca can produce the money, Blizzard can still say no while it decides what it wants to do. It doesn't actually hurt them anymore, because it's not like Afreeca can go get their Brood War from someone else. What if Blizzard is deciding whether it wants more money or not? What if Blizzard wants to renegotiate some of the terms of the contract - for example, making some SC2 advertisements in between each match? Or having Overwatch promotions somewhere? Force Afreeca to promote Overwatch outside of ASL - such as on their site, and to give those streamers preferential treatment somehow? There are a ton of possible reasons for why Blizzard would be stalling on their end, and not all of them involve them "shooting themselves in the foot" because they are the ones that hold the cards here.
Blizzard does unnecessarily lose money if they won't go ahead with this deal, considering it is totally free from their own investments. Even if their main focus is Overwatch, they won't converge all of their viewers to it no matter what they do, since a large chunk will most likely will just switch to LoL or something else. Financially speaking this stuff makes 0 sense for blizzard to not just give the green light.
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On January 22 2018 05:15 letian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2018 03:53 FlaShFTW wrote:
So here are the actual facts and feel free to contend with some of these but this is how I've viewed everything thus far.
AfreecaTV has come out to say that Blizzard is difficult to work with and putting a lot of difficulty into getting the ASL5.
Blizzard has given no other opinion to state that this is true, nor that this is false. They have had radio silence on us and don't seem interested at all in trying to correct the record or defend themselves.
Therefore, people are more upset at Blizzard because of their lack of transparency into the situation. This on top of the fact that Blizzard has been historically a poor company to work with for these tournaments.
So what happens next? Well, the best way is to have Blizzard come out with their own statement regarding the situation, which is highly doubtful considering they haven't already and I'm not sure they even give a damn about our community. Regardless, right now we're stuck with no ASL5, and a pissed off community. Thanks for wrapping it all up. I am getting lost in this waterfall. Very sad news for us. I wonder how actually big is SC community?
The foreign one is still quite small. Like I could get onto the ladder in USW and still get paired with the same opponent at the 1800-2000 mmr range because of how few people are actually playing. The Korean scene is much larger in comparison and if we really wanted to try to make some sort of push at Blizzard, we definitely need their help and support.
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If you are talking about 1.16.1 it should be free to dl on the Blizzard homepage
if i'm not mistaken, it's not 1.16.1 but the current version, just without MM and HD-Graphics.
You still need a Blizzard Network Account or whatever that launcher is called.
Is this true? I'm thinking about switching back to 1.16 ... remastered has kinda been a train wreck honestly. My computer with fantastic specs doesn't even run remastered without framerate issues which basically handicaps me once I need to really kick macro into overdrive.
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On January 22 2018 17:16 RomeD wrote:Show nested quote +If you are talking about 1.16.1 it should be free to dl on the Blizzard homepage
if i'm not mistaken, it's not 1.16.1 but the current version, just without MM and HD-Graphics.
You still need a Blizzard Network Account or whatever that launcher is called. Is this true? I'm thinking about switching back to 1.16 ... remastered has kinda been a train wreck honestly. My computer with fantastic specs doesn't even run remastered without framerate issues which basically handicaps me once I need to really kick macro into overdrive.
If I recall, not sure if this has changed, but on your Blizz Account on the forums you can register your copy of BW by way of the CD key to download a client, one that works with newer Windows versions and with out Blizz launcher. This might be an option if you have a copy handy, though I am not sure if it is feasible to use or if this is available now (I did it a few years ago).
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Can any of the KR folks on here tell us what the KR community is doing? Do they have a similar thread over there? Reactions etc...?
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Can't believe Blizzard is just saying nothing. Not even "we can't discuss this right now due to ongoing negotiation" or something like that. They really couldn't care less about the BW community.
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On January 23 2018 04:11 Starlightsun wrote:
Can't believe Blizzard is just saying nothing. Not even "we can't discuss this right now due to ongoing negotiation" or something like that. They really couldn't care less about the BW community.
Yes now would be a time to prove everyone wrong that is disillusioned with Blizzard.
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On January 23 2018 04:11 Starlightsun wrote:
Can't believe Blizzard is just saying nothing. Not even "we can't discuss this right now due to ongoing negotiation" or something like that. They really couldn't care less about the BW community.
It's not unlikely that Blizzard thinks the BW community is small enough to ignore. Also the whole "we'll win 'em back later" mentality. I wouldn't mind seeing something to the likes of the EA fiasco happening to Blizzard, just as a wake up call.
As long as the money keeps pouring in, though, what incentive do they have to really improve their character?
Empty Blizzcon opening ceremony, anyone? How cool would that be. No more fake Mike Morhaime applauses. Show us you care about who cared about you back in '98-'05 and maybe you'll deserve a packed Blizzcon and that $6 billion annual revenue stream.
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On January 23 2018 05:19 RogerChillingworth wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2018 04:11 Starlightsun wrote:
Can't believe Blizzard is just saying nothing. Not even "we can't discuss this right now due to ongoing negotiation" or something like that. They really couldn't care less about the BW community. It's not unlikely that Blizzard thinks the BW community is small enough to ignore. Also the whole "we'll win 'em back later" mentality. I wouldn't mind seeing something to the likes of the EA fiasco happening to Blizzard, just as a wake up call. As long as the money keeps pouring in, though, what incentive do they have to really improve their character? Empty Blizzcon opening ceremony, anyone? How cool would that be. No more fake Mike Morhaime applauses. Show us you care about who cared about you back in '98-'05 and maybe you'll deserve a packed Blizzcon and that $6 billion annual revenue stream.
Truth. Preach.
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On January 20 2018 22:21 [DUF]MethodMan wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 22:11 B-royal wrote:
Maybe it's time to get down and dirty.
1 ) Find loopholes in the law. Organize tournaments without any official prize money, and instead do a meaningless fake competition (a 100m dash, who knows...) straight after the actual tournament, and coincidentally have everyone finish in the respective places they had in the starcraft tournament.
2 ) Again find a loophole, this time with OpenBW.
3 ) Boycott Blizzard.
4) pay in cryptocurrency
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On January 23 2018 04:11 Starlightsun wrote:
Can't believe Blizzard is just saying nothing. Not even "we can't discuss this right now due to ongoing negotiation" or something like that. They really couldn't care less about the BW community.
what do you expect? blizzard has been on the decline for a very long time.
they can eat crow for all i care. their games are no longer must have's.
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This is so fucking stupid. Their silence and negligence both are infuriating. I want to play the game and watch pros play tournaments. Just fucking let it happen.
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On January 23 2018 03:47 BigFan wrote:
Can any of the KR folks on here tell us what the KR community is doing? Do they have a similar thread over there? Reactions etc...?
This is highly relevant. Anyone?
On January 20 2018 07:12 Incomplete..ReV wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 04:44 SCC-Faust wrote:
Yah, I tweeted to Blizz and made a post in the topic on the starcraft blizz.net forums. I mean, we're a small crowd, but if everyone can do the same, it would be a lot better than being upset or frustrated in this topic. If you're passionate about StarCraft like I am, turn that frustration into action imo.. and as people have said, we don't really know the full situation, so instead of throwing insults or fire, instead just let Blizz know the positive experiences the pro BW scene has on you etc
I don't actually know if it will do anything, but there is really no reason not to hit up twitter/facebook/blizz forums and just say something along the lines of that. Something that evokes feelings in you personally. At worst, nothing happens, but you leave a positive message that steps on no feet, and best, maybe it will inspire Blizzard and Afreeca to work something out. Time to make a Twitter-account! If there was ever a reason to make, this would be it.
This is not how to do tweet campaigning. As someone between pages 3-6 said, focus on the positive, so let's just be inquisitive for the time being, see if someone replies to "Is anyone @Blizzard_Ent looking into the Afreeca Starleague 5 situation? What's the holdup for starting the SC Brood War tournament?". @Starcraft for the first day, then switch around for @Activision and partners they have for Overwatch or Heroes tournaments (dunno Intel, Razer?, Red Bull.. the like). Also @afreecaTV_gl to see where they stand after a day or two. Don't forget to add gaming journalists now and then, @cynicalbrit @pcgamer @Polaris @Kotaku_UK @rockpapershot and many more.
But most important is to do them at the same time and regularly (they can even be automated a few times a day -- no idea how though). And every now and then tweeting a gif or a picture (they get shared far more often) is useful.
Also, while at it, pictures of pink knitted hats from D.C. while we're at making the world a better place... (self-deprecating not cynical)
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+Oh, and also if ignored for a couple of days hijack (without being d!cks or insulting people) hashtags @Blizzard_Ent is using, or do a tweet campaign/be annoying during another event. Where's poopfist420 btw?
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On January 23 2018 03:47 BigFan wrote:
Can any of the KR folks on here tell us what the KR community is doing? Do they have a similar thread over there? Reactions etc...?
This isn't even front page news in the KR community. There were some very short threads on Ygosu, but none remain on the front page.
That said, we shouldn't look to the Korean forums for leadership or action on this issue. 99% of Ygosu BW activity is schizophrenic shxt-posting and trolling.
We should see if we can put a petition together. Blizzard really needs to answer these indirect allegations put forth by Afreeca's CEO. #SpeakUpBlizzard
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Sigh very disappointed in Blizzard. SCR was all false hope, remastered the game to give us an impression they cared for the community but behind the scenes killing it by charging exorbitant licensing fees.
Seriously Blizzard how much money do you expect from SCR anyway? SC2 is on the decline it's not like SCR is going to make much of a difference? They should just f off and focus on overwatch instead, leave the BW community alone.
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Fuck you blizzard. Fuck eSports license fees. I want ASL 5.
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Legendary old e-sports games that still remain to this day:
StarCraft: Brood War, Super Smash Bros Melee, Dota
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On January 24 2018 03:27 SCC-Faust wrote:
Legendary old e-sports games that still remain to this day:
StarCraft: Brood War, Super Smash Bros Melee, Dota
Arent you the guy sniping Artosis (Korea)? Why would you do that? Why would you give him intentionally a bad experience? DotA had esports? When?
User was temp banned for this post.
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