ZOTAC Larva/Legend Incident Discussion - Page 16

On December 06 2017 09:40 tanngard wrote:

I have already written about how i dont agree with the ban on larva made by zotac, so I do somewhat agree with you on the point of not dictating social rules unto others. My intention has not been to try and dictate the behavior of someone else. I have never implied that larva is a bad person. I am making the argument that larva forgot to think about how his antics would be received by legend and his fans. Evryone can make such a mistake. I dont make that claim to pull my standards on someone else, its an honest attempt to localize what went wrong between the two players so hopefully there is something to be learned from these events. Because to not care about how your actions will be received by the person on the receiving end of them could never be correct if we want to live in a better society. Im sure larva would agree on that and hence why i say he was being neglecting, rather than that he was justifying it through some kind of nihilism or ill-intent. But of course we fuck up all the time and that is okay as long as we can learn from it. I believe that the social contexts for when BM is permissible, is very complex and its quite hard to write down definite definitions (like i guess i have tried), or try and prove our points by giving various examples. But going by this situation alone and definitions aside, the fact is that lx felt disrespected. And if life have taught me anything it is that when someone feels disrespected they usually have picked up upon something crucial, while the person doing the offending often have their minds closed off to the idea that they did something wrong because their Ego is afraid how that would imply that they're being a "bad" person. Of course it doesnt help the matter when the person being offended is confused by the intentions of the offender and goes to vicious counter attacks. Its a bad cycle.

I am doing mistakes all the time, but i hope with time i can grow as a person and do less of them. I will never be perfect though, so will have to be able to forgive myself even though its damned hard sometimes.

On December 06 2017 07:04 CHEONSOYUN quoted:

Hi, this is Hong-gu (aka Larva).

I read the post by Legend and Zotac. They wrote like it was me being shitty and all but I didn't even do the performance to belittle my opponent or his country but because I heard that Americans loved such ceremonies. I felt like I had to do something funny to make the competition memorable to the fans and I even went to see Legend after the game at night to apologize in person but he refused to see me and wrote that post on his SNS afterwards.

I also heard that Zotac banned me from participating from now on but it's not like I asked them to participate, it was them who invited me so I don't even care and I don't plan to participate in their tournaments anyway. I believe I actually helped Zotac for making this controversy but I guess making Chinese people angry was wrong. I do understand Chinese for getting angry but there were no rules against what I did in the competition and the reactions from America and Korea were overall positive. Legend refused my initial apology and wrote shitpost about me himself so I don't even feel the need to apologize now.

IF this was such a huge problem, why didn't they (Zotac I guess) inform me between the sets?

On December 06 2017 19:09 FoR_BlueS wrote:
(Moved post to this thread)
To be honest, I am very impressed by Larva's social wisdom, not only is he a good BW player, he surely knows how to entertain his audience, and (in a neutral sense) how to manipulate information and public opinion to favour him. This post is not meant to undermine Larva's position, but is meant to analyse the entire incident and to address the elephant in the room that everyone seems to have forgotten: if a public humiliation (even if it was not meant to be a humiliation) deserves an apology, then it should deserve a public apology instead of a private one, otherwise it would strike the victim as insincere.

I tried asking a few Chinese players to dig for some info regarding what exactly happened. According to what they described, Legend said he "sat there, not knowing what to do for half an hour" after the match (let's assume the translations are correct, as of now I cannot confirm this), this appears to indicate that Larva did not apologise right after the match, probably not realising how his actions affected Legend, and that Legend likely participated in the tournament with a very serious mindset, otherwise he would just leave with a smile. Larva likely realised the severity of the issue later and decided to apologise to Legend, only to be met with refusal. From a moral perspective, a public humiliation deserves a public apology, I can hardly imagine how a private apology after a public humiliation could work out for Legend (assuming that he is TRULY offended, it appears that this is the case in Chinese culture), therefore Legend's reason for refusing Larva's private apology does not seem to be entirely unjustified. Legend probably thought that Larva's offer wasn't sincere enough, thus rejected it.

I think if it were a Westerner all of this wouldn't have happened due to different cultural customs and norms, but unfortunately this wasn't the case. Larva, likely accidentally or coincidentally, picked the wrong candidate for his shows. What's more unfortunate is that the Western audience has been easily manipulated by Larva's exploitation of the cultural gap between Western and Eastern cultures. Larva probably knew that in Western culture his behaviours would be less of a deal, especially in a show match, therefore Westerners would likely fail to realise how offensive his actions were in the eyes of Legend. Coupled with Legend's refusal of Larva's private apology, Larva has successfully painted himself as the honourable victim of a scandal, and portrayed Legend as a narrow-minded, egoistic loser who is too butthurt to act like a man. I make this deduction based on my experience as a fan of Eastern culture, so no, don't ask me which animes are good to watch otherwise you will spend the rest of your life infront of your computer...But you can start with Death Note.

Once again, I have to say I am really amazed by Larva's emotional intelligence and showmanship, I have certainly learned a lot from observing this incident. However until I can dig up more information from Legend's side, conclusions should not be given regarding this incident, but since I do not know Legend nor do I know anyone who does know him personally I guess we will never have an answer.

May the incident be settled by mature and responsible responses from both sides...

On December 05 2017 21:47 Connor5620 wrote:


im just asking but was this meant to indicate something or were you just showing what he did during the games? the pictures are fantastic btw :D

On December 07 2017 04:37 f10eqq wrote:
A new wrinkle in this story. Apparently Lx dissed the other competitors just days before his match w/ Larva. Here's his post on weibo where he calls the other players 草鸡 which means "hen, a metaphor for one who is weak and a coward. Makes the banning even more ridiculous.

On December 07 2017 07:21 FlaShFTW wrote:it's not like he lost to a guy literally playing with his foot the entire time.

On December 07 2017 10:25 s_k_911 wrote:

Here is the larva's black history (a korea friend told me this yesterday)^_^:

Larva use to smoke and had bad manner in SKT1 although he was not even a adult.When lose to someone (elder than him),he start to talk shit. Once he was drinking alcohol and eating pig's foot, and SKT1 coach find him.Larva got punished by coach and he should upload 40 replays of practice everyday.Larva thought coach was busy and would never watch his replays.Then larva upload replays ( only 2-3mins lenth) to the coach.Coachs watched these replays and decide wash larva away.When the new zerg-practicor come,larva was fired.Larva beg but no use.

Larva then prepare to interview as zerg-practicor of CJ.But he wear SKT1 uniform for the interview.CJ coach said to him:"are you crazy""you will do crazy things in the future and we donot want cover your ass and will not hire you"Then no company want larva.

On December 07 2017 10:25 s_k_911 wrote:
Here is what I heard about the timestamp from lx and his friends and this forum:

local time 21:00 or more, game over,commentors and larva do interview. zotac twiter type larva champion

lx's friends tell lx about the foot game

in 30mins,lx sit still,no move ,and type the weibo

in next 2hour,china webs media made a lot of news about the humiliating thing

local time 1:00(second day),the staff(translator?) tell lx larva's word:"if you want an apology,I can apology to you in privite ". lx deny.

then after 3hours, zotac china say ban larva. zotac twiter delete larva champion ?

after lots' of hours,zotac us say we no ban larva. and then larva open letter.


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I donot think larva will do real apology to lx in privite not even in public.

I sponsored lots of game larva vs somepro. About two month ago,I sponsor larva vs someone,3/2,500balloons. I said to larva that I want to join game to and observer . Larva ignor what I said and start the game ,then he said 'sori" "sori" "I didnot see " .It looks like he didnot see my word.If true It is OK and I donot mind.But finally my friend (who speak korea language)told me that larva notice what I said ,larva talk in Korea language that he actually see what I said but still "ignor "me.


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Here is the larva's black history (a korea friend told me this yesterday)^_^:

Larva use to smoke and had bad manner in SKT1 although he was not even a adult.When lose to someone (elder than him),he start to talk shit. Once he was drinking alcohol and eating pig's foot, and SKT1 coach find him.Larva got punished by coach and he should upload 40 replays of practice everyday.Larva thought coach was busy and would never watch his replays.Then larva upload replays ( only 2-3mins lenth) to the coach.Coachs watched these replays and decide wash larva away.When the new zerg-practicor come,larva was fired.Larva beg but no use.

Larva then prepare to interview as zerg-practicor of CJ.But he wear SKT1 uniform for the interview.CJ coach said to him:"are you crazy""you will do crazy things in the future and we donot want cover your ass and will not hire you"Then no company want larva.