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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
Why would you invite one of the best top korean pro zergs who have a reputation of doing this stuff if you're going to get super salty when it happens? Then at least intervene after game 1 and tell him that it is not tolerated. Seems to me like the organizers had no problem letting Larva continue his thing until they got complaints and then they totally changed their stance on the matter. | ||
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jinjin5000
United States1449 Posts
On December 06 2017 02:16 StylishVODs wrote: Did Zotac not know who Larva was when they invited him? Did they expect a close finals? Why would you invite one of the best top korean pro zergs who have a reputation of doing this stuff if you're going to get super salty when it happens? Then at least intervene after game 1 and tell him that it is not tolerated. Seems to me like the organizers had no problem letting Larva continue his thing until they got complaints and then they totally changed their stance on the matter. Think that was exactly their intention but didn't expect the entire Chinese internet unifying behind to give backlash But on other hand, the clip blew up and went viral in west. | ||
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stevech1024
2 Posts
On December 06 2017 01:02 PurE)Rabbit-SF wrote: Yes, if you look at what the large public media is leading the story into. this whole situation has been elevated to an incident that is framed as "Korean SCBW Progamer publicly shamed a Chinese player during match." The story has been ran by multiple state-affiliated high profile media. You can imagine as if Spiegel from Germany, or New York Times, CNN or the like have ran with the story with such headline. It does feed the public the fuel to rage about. (Nationalism is at a very high level in China right now. And the uneasy tension between Chinese-Korean public relationship due to North Korea is shooting missile a lot, Korea has added some anti-missile system from USA, which have caused the latest round of sanction from Chinese Government on Korean companies etc etc) And plus, most of the reporter are not familiar with the SC scene, who Larva is. And frankly, LX is very respected in the Chinese Scene, imagine Mondragon get delivered such celebration by Larva. It first definitely started with the fanboy, but as many people I have came across who don't even play the game is now behind LX and very troubled about what Larva did. So yeah, I think even a lot of people who are not gamer are waking up to find this as an insult as the media have ran the stories. Gee Gee. It's no surprise Zotac China Division quickly responded with such statement. Basically Zotac has put itself into a PR crisis in China. No, there are still Chinese who would hold different opinion, who would say Lx doesn't have the skill is the original problem to start with. Or Larva is just who he is and we should not take it as an insult. However, these opinions are being attacked by a lot of people. I think on a more grand scheme of things definitely yes, since the high profile media has a vital role to swing public opinion on this. Within the StarCraft community, there maybe 80% people are definitely behind Lx, and 20% who are saying otherwise. And again, my answers are just my own speculation and reasoning based on what I know. It's no where near accurate at all. This is a matter of personal morality and has nothing to do with nationalism. | ||
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Radivel-X17
Canada144 Posts
In response to the tournament organizers not doing anything: One of the tournament players (will remain anon unless he says he wants to speak) came into discord chat the next day, and talked about the event some. Questions were asked, and it was said that all the players and organizers were laughing at Larva's antics (when he was bming) off camera the entire time. It's easy to get caught up in this thing, especially when you're there live and everything's going on, people are all around you getting in on it, creating an atmosphere where one or two people just might not feel so included. I'm sure everyone understands what I mean, and if that was the situation, it's fairly easy to see why those feelings might get pushed to the wayside, especially if it's a group of guys trying to put on a show for thousands of viewers instead of a real corporate environment. | ||
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PurE)Rabbit-SF
United States667 Posts
On December 06 2017 02:28 stevech1024 wrote: This is a matter of personal morality and has nothing to do with nationalism. Take what I say with grain of salt. It's my personal speculation, and how I view this whole situation. Believe me, I've seen many Chinese get on things with bias influenced by nationalism. Myself included, especially for people who are still living in China, even people who have come to the western world. Our world view is biased to some degree by the Nationalism. In my opinion, if this incident did not took place between Lx(Chinese) vs Larva(Korean), this would be much less of a problem. The Chinese public opinion is easily jumping on anything that can jump on the Korean..... And the media knows what can click bait for views.......... And believe me, I support Lx as I am a big fan of his. And I was close to the Chinese SCBW pro scene on a personal basis. I think www.douyou.tv is the happiest company while this incident taking place, it has successfully taken away the attention which was focused on the PUBG streamer on their platform have been confirmed as cheaters/hackers. xD Chinese media on their own are interesting and operate in a weird way. | ||
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heluq
Spain119 Posts
On December 05 2017 22:42 Dante08 wrote: What the hell happened lol. All I see is Larva being BM playing with his feet at one point. But for his standards it's quite normal you see him do stuff like these on stream all the time. There are differencens between his stream and offline game. You can ML in the stream and ML in the public street, too??? | ||
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supernovamaniac
United States3046 Posts
On December 06 2017 03:00 PurE)Rabbit-SF wrote: Take what I say with grain of salt. It's my personal speculation, and how I view this whole situation. Believe me, I've seen many Chinese get on things with bias influenced by nationalism. Myself included, especially for people who are still living in China, even people who have come to the western world. Our world view is biased to some degree by the Nationalism. In my opinion, if this incident did not took place between Lx(Chinese) vs Larva(Korean), this would be much less of a problem. The Chinese public opinion is easily jumping on anything that can jump on the Korean..... And the media knows what can click bait for views.......... And believe me, I support Lx as I am a big fan of his. And I was close to the Chinese SCBW pro scene on a personal basis. I think www.douyou.tv is the happiest company while this incident taking place, it has successfully taken away the attention which was focused on the PUBG streamer on their platform have been confirmed as cheaters/hackers. xD Chinese media on their own are interesting and operate in a weird way. Playing devil's advocate (to some people's eyes), and purely an assumption at this point, but this is what may have fueled the anger: To add on to this, Larva only BM'd Legend throughout the tournament. Some people might have looked it as Korea shaming China via video game, which triggered the media response from the Chinese. And the recent interaction between two countries haven't been positive either. What I'm trying to say is, the huge negative reaction was triggered by Larva's actions, but I highly doubt that it was the sole factor in this case. Especially given the recent history. EDIT: Correction from RCCar's post, and my fault for not personally looking this up before posting. | ||
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OrangeGarage
Korea (South)319 Posts
On December 06 2017 03:22 supernovamaniac wrote: Playing devil's advocate (to some people's eyes), and purely an assumption at this point, but this is what may have fueled the anger: To add on to this, Larva only BM'd Legend throughout the tournament. Of course, they did have history together of staying in T1 together (iirc), but some people might have looked it as Korea shaming China via video game, which triggered the media response from the Chinese. And the recent interaction between two countries haven't been positive either. What I'm trying to say is, the huge negative reaction was triggered by Larva's actions, but I highly doubt that it was the sole factor in this case. Especially given the recent history. Legend was in SKT back in early/mid 2000s Larva made his debut in 2010 (in estro) Larva would have been a kid~in his early teens when Legend was in SKT. The two do not know each other, have no friendship whatsoever. Personally, the more I dig into this issue, the more I think ZOTAC is at fault. They were completely on board with the idea, didn't think Larva was going too far until Legend called him out- at which point, they deny they let the whole thing happen. As Larva mentioned, if ZOTAC thought he was going too far they should have stopped him. Now, they are throwing away Larva completely to cater to the Chinese viewers, which makes them cowards, and less professional than Larva in my book. I don't think what Larva did was good- I think he should have stuck to in game bm and done out of game ceremonies outside of the game. But ZOTAC did do their best to put more blame on him, using him as a scapegoat. I'm disappointed with the indecision of tournament organizers, and disappointed in their actual decision as well. | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
I didn't tune in, but when I do, I tune in for Brood War, not whatever that was. Sure, it would have been worse if Larva had pulled his opponents' pants down onstage, but it also would have been better if he had just used a bit of sense. Although I enjoyed his ASL performances, I'm not at all surprised ZOTAC isn't inviting him back. | ||
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NeonSword
7 Posts
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Nukid
United States240 Posts
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On December 06 2017 03:36 Djabanete wrote: What's so funny about watching a weaker player get creatively humiliated in front of an audience? I didn't tune in, but when I do, I tune in for Brood War, not whatever that was. Sure, it would have been worse if Larva had pulled his opponents' pants down onstage, but it also would have been better if he had just used a bit of sense. Although I enjoyed his ASL performances, I'm not at all surprised ZOTAC isn't inviting him back. I found it hilarious, casters were laughing, all of twitch chat seemed to think it was hilarious. I think this made the tournament a thousands times more entertaining than to watch a pro player destroy a non-pro player in an easy 3-0 with his best race. Who tunes in for that boring nothingness? | ||
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Little-Chimp
Canada948 Posts
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Rei_Rice
Germany82 Posts
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tanngard
Norway1325 Posts
On December 06 2017 05:07 BlackJack wrote: I found it hilarious, casters were laughing, all of twitch chat seemed to think it was hilarious. I think this made the tournament a thousands times more entertaining than to watch a pro player destroy a non-pro player in an easy 3-0 with his best race. Who tunes in for that boring nothingness? Did you watch Draco vs Larva? Was that boring you think? Now Larva did not even give Lx a chance to create a legit upset - first by offracing with his super good terran (lx would have prepared for zerg) and then for going completely clown mode in the last series. | ||
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iG.Arcneon
Finland333 Posts
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iloveav
Poland1478 Posts
Seriously, we are 10 year olds? Guys, I go to work everyday and my boss shouts at me even when he is the one who fucked up. And guess what, I Taylor Swift shake it off and keep on working. I can understand that someone gets upset, but are we supposed to help or cuddle everyone every time someone gets upset? How many times you guys have totally lost it when loosing a game you thought you had in the bag? Or something similar? Nothing happens if you are offended, you grow up and learn to ignore it. Here is the real bad part about this: There are only 2 possibilities, 1. We show the world that BW is a place where BM is allowed and people are grown ups. 2. We do not allow BM and keep making it a politically correct environment (like we fucking can) till everyone has to behave (even as I am writing this its so stupid I know its never gonna happen). And Zotac is taking a stance that we are all children and need to be protected from BM.... Good luck with that (thou i totally get their point, they did a 20 000 dollar event and got negative press.... how would you react?!). | ||
TaardadAiel
Bulgaria750 Posts
Give the guy a break. He used to humiliate himself too (remember The Dragoon?) for a living. Now he gets to humiliate other people. He even made a statement, which makes a lot of sense (and I really hope he's not lying) about actually NOT trying to humilate Lx and how this whole incident happened. And there's the off poster that I see having a problem with larva offracing and nuking Lx. Please elaborate. I mean, why would there be ANYTHING wrong with doing that? Why is that BM? | ||
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killanator
United States549 Posts
Also, I am talking more about what he said during the game then during the interview. During the interview he did seem to have more deadpan humor, but from his commentary he seemed to be sort of pissed about Larva. But I don't think thats a bad or good thing like I said Honestly though, I dont think this publicity is all bad...I mean a VOD of brood war made it to the front page of reddit. Overall it was pretty funny of an incident | ||
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CHEONSOYUN
539 Posts
Hi, this is Hong-gu (aka Larva). I read the post by Legend and Zotac. They wrote like it was me being shitty and all but I didn't even do the performance to belittle my opponent or his country but because I heard that Americans loved such ceremonies. I felt like I had to do something funny to make the competition memorable to the fans and I even went to see Legend after the game at night to apologize in person but he refused to see me and wrote that post on his SNS afterwards. I also heard that Zotac banned me from participating from now on but it's not like I asked them to participate, it was them who invited me so I don't even care and I don't plan to participate in their tournaments anyway. I believe I actually helped Zotac for making this controversy but I guess making Chinese people angry was wrong. I do understand Chinese for getting angry but there were no rules against what I did in the competition and the reactions from America and Korea were overall positive. Legend refused my initial apology and wrote shitpost about me himself so I don't even feel the need to apologize now. IF this was such a huge problem, why didn't they (Zotac I guess) inform me between the sets? Larva unapologetic after lx decided to whine online instead of accepting an apology in person!! Larva = baller | ||
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