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On December 05 2017 21:41 tanngard wrote:
I dont think its okay to tell others how they should feel about being disrespected. I say this to those in this thread that is going around telling how others are "salty" or "bitches" for feeling like they were disrespected. This is as plain as it gets with empathy. However its advicable to inform whoever feels disrespected that this was not the intention of the offender. Its okay to admit that Larva made a mistake, without condemning him and literally banning him for lifetime.
The thing about bantering or BM, is that it is done in a social context. You dont do those kind of things without having any idea how the receiver will respond. In the cases where the BM is intended to be received as disrespectful, there has to be an initial provokation or bad history between the players (like cj entus players vs firebathero and the pylon heart thing).
It seems larva did not think about this, hence he did a mistake - he was more focused on entertaining his audience which is a good thing in and of itself, but he had not done the approprate clarification with Legend beforehand and considering the language barrier between them this would have been quite difficult to do anyway in a proper manner. Which is why its best to just keep it clean and respectful when dealing with someone you dont know at all and who comes from a different culture and language.
We cannot throw social decensy out the window just because it gives attention on media platforms. All attention is not good attention, because it will attract the worst kind of "fans". The kind who only cares about drama and sensationalism. I would rather have quality over quantity - thats whats going to last in the long run. So lets keep promoting respectful and civil behaviour.
Pretty sure people aren't saying Legend is a salty bitch for feeling disrespected (he was) they are saying it because of how he handled being disrespected, which is an entirely different thing.
So BM is always done where there is an initial provokation? What about the example in the tamest of all esports LoL controlled top down by the tyranny of Riot Games where SKT1 picked a troll composition against fnatic (I think, who really cares) for the sole reason that they won the world championship playing that previously. It made no sense, was a definite handicap, they still won the game, it was at a LoL showmatch, it was pretty embarrassing that fnatic couldn't even compete with a team trolling.
Here we have a professional team in a professional tournament in a gigantic esports doing BM for no other reason than entertainment. And what do you know it even matches up with being people of a different culture and language!
As for your claims about the preservation of civilized society through BW I can only say what someone put nicely a bit further up. Opinions are split on the "gross transgressions" of Larva and proclaiming your view on the situation the morally superior high ground doesn't really change much. Seems to me it's one of those agree to disagree situations.
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On December 05 2017 22:17 Rus_Brain wrote:
May I kindly ask to clarify an issue core to me?
Is Lx considered a waegukin for Larva?
Is Larva considered a laowai for Lx?
Larva is definitely considered a laowai for LX, moreover. Han Guo Bang Zi ( a slang for not friendly name for Korean in Chinese).
I assume waegukin is equivalent of what I described in the reverse fashion for Larva xD.
Then yes.
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On December 05 2017 22:25 Invidentia wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2017 21:41 tanngard wrote:
I dont think its okay to tell others how they should feel about being disrespected. I say this to those in this thread that is going around telling how others are "salty" or "bitches" for feeling like they were disrespected. This is as plain as it gets with empathy. However its advicable to inform whoever feels disrespected that this was not the intention of the offender. Its okay to admit that Larva made a mistake, without condemning him and literally banning him for lifetime.
The thing about bantering or BM, is that it is done in a social context. You dont do those kind of things without having any idea how the receiver will respond. In the cases where the BM is intended to be received as disrespectful, there has to be an initial provokation or bad history between the players (like cj entus players vs firebathero and the pylon heart thing).
It seems larva did not think about this, hence he did a mistake - he was more focused on entertaining his audience which is a good thing in and of itself, but he had not done the approprate clarification with Legend beforehand and considering the language barrier between them this would have been quite difficult to do anyway in a proper manner. Which is why its best to just keep it clean and respectful when dealing with someone you dont know at all and who comes from a different culture and language.
We cannot throw social decensy out the window just because it gives attention on media platforms. All attention is not good attention, because it will attract the worst kind of "fans". The kind who only cares about drama and sensationalism. I would rather have quality over quantity - thats whats going to last in the long run. So lets keep promoting respectful and civil behaviour. So BM is always done where there is an initial provokation? What about the example in the tamest of all esports LoL controlled top down by the tyranny of Riot Games where SKT1 picked a troll composition against fnatic (I think, who really cares) for the sole reason that they won the world championship playing that previously. It made no sense, was a definite handicap, they still won the game, it was at a LoL showmatch, it was pretty embarrassing that fnatic couldn't even compete with a team trolling. Here we have a professional team in a professional tournament in a gigantic esports doing BM for no other reason than entertainment. And what do you know it even matches up with being people of a different culture and language!
I don't get your comparison, I can't believe anyone could be that offended by what was done in-game between them, isn't it just about the part outside of the game? Successful nuke rush is nowhere near as disrespectful as pretending to be asleep during the game, laughing after the games because of how easy they were or pretending to play with a foot.
If they were switching seats during the League match you're mentioning or did other stuff Larva did it would only be similar, and then I'm pretty sure there would be consequences
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I watched the stream to see Draco and Lx, not this clown Larva. Cant believe theres people that found funny the foot thing, I stopped watching right there.
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i'd post on fb picture of me slamming keybord with dick
with hashtag #LarvaDidNothingWrong
but I'm already banned there for posting nudity :/
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On December 05 2017 22:38 DracoMortuiVolantus wrote:
i'd post on fb picture of me slamming keybord with dick
with hashtag #LarvaDidNothingWrong
but I'm already banned there for posting nudity :/
Why fb? Do it here
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What the hell happened lol. All I see is Larva being BM playing with his feet at one point. But for his standards it's quite normal you see him do stuff like these on stream all the time.
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On December 05 2017 22:33 aQuaSC wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2017 22:25 Invidentia wrote:On December 05 2017 21:41 tanngard wrote:
I dont think its okay to tell others how they should feel about being disrespected. I say this to those in this thread that is going around telling how others are "salty" or "bitches" for feeling like they were disrespected. This is as plain as it gets with empathy. However its advicable to inform whoever feels disrespected that this was not the intention of the offender. Its okay to admit that Larva made a mistake, without condemning him and literally banning him for lifetime.
The thing about bantering or BM, is that it is done in a social context. You dont do those kind of things without having any idea how the receiver will respond. In the cases where the BM is intended to be received as disrespectful, there has to be an initial provokation or bad history between the players (like cj entus players vs firebathero and the pylon heart thing).
It seems larva did not think about this, hence he did a mistake - he was more focused on entertaining his audience which is a good thing in and of itself, but he had not done the approprate clarification with Legend beforehand and considering the language barrier between them this would have been quite difficult to do anyway in a proper manner. Which is why its best to just keep it clean and respectful when dealing with someone you dont know at all and who comes from a different culture and language.
We cannot throw social decensy out the window just because it gives attention on media platforms. All attention is not good attention, because it will attract the worst kind of "fans". The kind who only cares about drama and sensationalism. I would rather have quality over quantity - thats whats going to last in the long run. So lets keep promoting respectful and civil behaviour. So BM is always done where there is an initial provokation? What about the example in the tamest of all esports LoL controlled top down by the tyranny of Riot Games where SKT1 picked a troll composition against fnatic (I think, who really cares) for the sole reason that they won the world championship playing that previously. It made no sense, was a definite handicap, they still won the game, it was at a LoL showmatch, it was pretty embarrassing that fnatic couldn't even compete with a team trolling. Here we have a professional team in a professional tournament in a gigantic esports doing BM for no other reason than entertainment. And what do you know it even matches up with being people of a different culture and language! I don't get your comparison, I can't believe anyone could be that offended by what was done in-game between them, isn't it just about the part outside of the game? Successful nuke rush is nowhere near as disrespectful as pretending to be asleep during the game, laughing after the games because of how easy they were or pretending to play with a foot. If they were switching seats during the League match you're mentioning or did other stuff Larva did it would only be similar, and then I'm pretty sure there would be consequences
Well done you managed to completely miss the point. I didn't write anywhere that the BM was on the same level and would never argue that. I'll try and highlight my sentence.
So BM is always done where there is an initial provokation?
^^^^
That would be my sentence that the example was for.
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On December 05 2017 22:52 Invidentia wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2017 22:33 aQuaSC wrote:On December 05 2017 22:25 Invidentia wrote:On December 05 2017 21:41 tanngard wrote:
I dont think its okay to tell others how they should feel about being disrespected. I say this to those in this thread that is going around telling how others are "salty" or "bitches" for feeling like they were disrespected. This is as plain as it gets with empathy. However its advicable to inform whoever feels disrespected that this was not the intention of the offender. Its okay to admit that Larva made a mistake, without condemning him and literally banning him for lifetime.
The thing about bantering or BM, is that it is done in a social context. You dont do those kind of things without having any idea how the receiver will respond. In the cases where the BM is intended to be received as disrespectful, there has to be an initial provokation or bad history between the players (like cj entus players vs firebathero and the pylon heart thing).
It seems larva did not think about this, hence he did a mistake - he was more focused on entertaining his audience which is a good thing in and of itself, but he had not done the approprate clarification with Legend beforehand and considering the language barrier between them this would have been quite difficult to do anyway in a proper manner. Which is why its best to just keep it clean and respectful when dealing with someone you dont know at all and who comes from a different culture and language.
We cannot throw social decensy out the window just because it gives attention on media platforms. All attention is not good attention, because it will attract the worst kind of "fans". The kind who only cares about drama and sensationalism. I would rather have quality over quantity - thats whats going to last in the long run. So lets keep promoting respectful and civil behaviour. So BM is always done where there is an initial provokation? What about the example in the tamest of all esports LoL controlled top down by the tyranny of Riot Games where SKT1 picked a troll composition against fnatic (I think, who really cares) for the sole reason that they won the world championship playing that previously. It made no sense, was a definite handicap, they still won the game, it was at a LoL showmatch, it was pretty embarrassing that fnatic couldn't even compete with a team trolling. Here we have a professional team in a professional tournament in a gigantic esports doing BM for no other reason than entertainment. And what do you know it even matches up with being people of a different culture and language! I don't get your comparison, I can't believe anyone could be that offended by what was done in-game between them, isn't it just about the part outside of the game? Successful nuke rush is nowhere near as disrespectful as pretending to be asleep during the game, laughing after the games because of how easy they were or pretending to play with a foot. If they were switching seats during the League match you're mentioning or did other stuff Larva did it would only be similar, and then I'm pretty sure there would be consequences Well done you managed to completely miss the point. I didn't write anywhere that the BM was on the same level and would never argue that. I'll try and highlight my sentence. So BM is always done where there is an initial provokation? ^^^^ That would be my sentence that the example was for.
I'd say no
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On December 05 2017 22:27 PurE)Rabbit-SF wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2017 22:17 Rus_Brain wrote:
May I kindly ask to clarify an issue core to me?
Is Lx considered a waegukin for Larva?
Is Larva considered a laowai for Lx? Larva is definitely considered a laowai for LX, moreover. Han Guo Bang Zi ( a slang for not friendly name for Korean in Chinese). I assume waegukin is equivalent of what I described in the reverse fashion for Larva xD. Then yes. Then being a white, I'm not entitled to comment here.
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On December 05 2017 22:52 Invidentia wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2017 22:33 aQuaSC wrote:On December 05 2017 22:25 Invidentia wrote:On December 05 2017 21:41 tanngard wrote:
I dont think its okay to tell others how they should feel about being disrespected. I say this to those in this thread that is going around telling how others are "salty" or "bitches" for feeling like they were disrespected. This is as plain as it gets with empathy. However its advicable to inform whoever feels disrespected that this was not the intention of the offender. Its okay to admit that Larva made a mistake, without condemning him and literally banning him for lifetime.
The thing about bantering or BM, is that it is done in a social context. You dont do those kind of things without having any idea how the receiver will respond. In the cases where the BM is intended to be received as disrespectful, there has to be an initial provokation or bad history between the players (like cj entus players vs firebathero and the pylon heart thing).
It seems larva did not think about this, hence he did a mistake - he was more focused on entertaining his audience which is a good thing in and of itself, but he had not done the approprate clarification with Legend beforehand and considering the language barrier between them this would have been quite difficult to do anyway in a proper manner. Which is why its best to just keep it clean and respectful when dealing with someone you dont know at all and who comes from a different culture and language.
We cannot throw social decensy out the window just because it gives attention on media platforms. All attention is not good attention, because it will attract the worst kind of "fans". The kind who only cares about drama and sensationalism. I would rather have quality over quantity - thats whats going to last in the long run. So lets keep promoting respectful and civil behaviour. So BM is always done where there is an initial provokation? What about the example in the tamest of all esports LoL controlled top down by the tyranny of Riot Games where SKT1 picked a troll composition against fnatic (I think, who really cares) for the sole reason that they won the world championship playing that previously. It made no sense, was a definite handicap, they still won the game, it was at a LoL showmatch, it was pretty embarrassing that fnatic couldn't even compete with a team trolling. Here we have a professional team in a professional tournament in a gigantic esports doing BM for no other reason than entertainment. And what do you know it even matches up with being people of a different culture and language! I don't get your comparison, I can't believe anyone could be that offended by what was done in-game between them, isn't it just about the part outside of the game? Successful nuke rush is nowhere near as disrespectful as pretending to be asleep during the game, laughing after the games because of how easy they were or pretending to play with a foot. If they were switching seats during the League match you're mentioning or did other stuff Larva did it would only be similar, and then I'm pretty sure there would be consequences Well done you managed to completely miss the point. I didn't write anywhere that the BM was on the same level and would never argue that. I'll try and highlight my sentence. So BM is always done where there is an initial provokation? ^^^^ That would be my sentence that the example was for.
I did not say that BM should be acceptable only when done where there was an initial provokation, so congratulations on missing my point. I said that when it is intented to hurt someone, there needs to a warrant for it unless that someone want to appear as a complete douchebag. You have to see this from Legends perspective too. You cannot expect him to be cool with travelling half across the world to what he thought would be an event where he could show of some (relative) skill, have a "good time" and represent his country, to be ultimately made into the laughing stock by some dude he dont even know socially.
And to your original response to me: We should agree to disagree on what excactly? That there are social contexts to when its acceptable or even welcomed to make fun of someone else? And what is it about Legends response that you take issue with excactly? You dont have an understanding for him returning the favour?
And to your point of me taking a "moral highground" doesnt amount to much, because people are split on the issue of larvas transgressions. What you are missing here is that i talked about civil behaviour as a counter argument against those that are claiming here that the goal of gathering attention, justify the means of disrespecting someone else.
But even so, i think its ill adviced for a lot of people here to add there own standards unto someone else. Usually when someone feels trampled on in life, they have good reason to feel thats the case, even if people who cannot understand them from the inside like to claim otherwise. We could talk about, how larvas actions was not intended to hurt anyone, like i just wrote in my last comment, but i dont like repeating myself.
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I am big on respecting other cultures and understanding that we as each society hold different values and expectations closer to our heart. However, the only thing I hold above that is intention. When people are from different countries and cultures, they cannot possibly always understand these very fragile issues. This is why intention is important. Larva did not mean to personally hurt Legend and voiced his reason for doing what he did. Also the things I have seen in these threads from some posters have been way more disrespectful, intentionally asinine, and borderline racist than what Larva did.
It makes the whole point of this discussion rather moot when people who want to voice their displeasure do so in a manner that is more disrespectful than the person they are angry at for "not being respectful". Also, I am not well versed in Chinese culture, but I find it rather hard to believe that they don't like some abuse when "chinese femdom" is its own brand of pornography and even has a higher video count than just flat out "femdom" (aka the rest of the world combined) on pornhub.
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It looks to me that the issue wasn't with Larva, but in the communication between Zotac and the people organizing the tournament on the spot. They obviously thought what Larva is doing is fine, and made a show out of it. It would be very easy for them to tell him to stop between games, or not put him on the fullscreen all the time.
But I guess for Zotac it's easier to make a scapegoat out of player for breaking thought-up rules, than acknowledge their own mistake.
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On December 06 2017 00:09 Tuczniak wrote:
It looks to me that the issue wasn't with Larva, but in the communication between Zotac and the people organizing the tournament on the spot. They obviously thought what Larva is doing is fine, and made a show out of it. It would be very easy for them to tell him to stop between games, or not put him on the fullscreen all the time.
But I guess for Zotac it's easier to make a scapegoat out of player for breaking thought-up rules, than acknowledge their own mistake.
As much as I don't enjoy what Larva did.
I think the people who should really be responsible for this incident and its backlash are the organizers. People from Zotac and Blizzard. They most likely invited Larva for who he is, and hoping one of these stunt he pull off will get a lot of publicity. Which is what we get to witness. However, they probably did not anticipate this much controversy happens..... and had no plan b if things go south in this particular fashion.
However, I don't know everything for sure, and all we are doing here are just speculating on what happened.
But am I surprised this happened in a Starcraft match? um... probably no, blizzard is very behind on the whole E-sport industry thing. While back in the days StarCraft and blizzard have brought infancy of E-sports to the world. Now they are left behind by a large margin from all the competitors who have a much better eco-system for E-sports. Namely Riot(Tecent) , Valve, and many other organizations. It's sad to see this tho.
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On December 06 2017 00:32 PurE)Rabbit-SF wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2017 00:09 Tuczniak wrote:
It looks to me that the issue wasn't with Larva, but in the communication between Zotac and the people organizing the tournament on the spot. They obviously thought what Larva is doing is fine, and made a show out of it. It would be very easy for them to tell him to stop between games, or not put him on the fullscreen all the time.
But I guess for Zotac it's easier to make a scapegoat out of player for breaking thought-up rules, than acknowledge their own mistake. As much as I don't enjoy what Larva did. I think the people who should really be responsible for this incident and its backlash are the organizers. People from Zotac and Blizzard. They most likely invited Larva for who he is, and hoping one of these stunt he pull off will get a lot of publicity. Which is what we get to witness. However, they probably did not anticipate this much controversy happens..... and had no plan b if things go south in this particular fashion. However, I don't know everything for sure, and all we are doing here are just speculating on what happened. But am I surprised this happened in a Starcraft match? um... probably no, blizzard is very behind on the whole E-sport industry thing. While back in the days StarCraft and blizzard have brought infancy of E-sports to the world. Now they are left behind by a large margin from all the competitors who have a much better eco-system for E-sports. Namely Riot(Tecent) , Valve, and many other organizations. It's sad to see this tho.
Are the Chinese unifyingly behind Lx in that? You only hear the loud ones being outraged at Larva here, not the others (who probably wouldn't bother to register here anyway).
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On December 06 2017 00:41 duke91 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2017 00:32 PurE)Rabbit-SF wrote:On December 06 2017 00:09 Tuczniak wrote:
It looks to me that the issue wasn't with Larva, but in the communication between Zotac and the people organizing the tournament on the spot. They obviously thought what Larva is doing is fine, and made a show out of it. It would be very easy for them to tell him to stop between games, or not put him on the fullscreen all the time.
But I guess for Zotac it's easier to make a scapegoat out of player for breaking thought-up rules, than acknowledge their own mistake. As much as I don't enjoy what Larva did. I think the people who should really be responsible for this incident and its backlash are the organizers. People from Zotac and Blizzard. They most likely invited Larva for who he is, and hoping one of these stunt he pull off will get a lot of publicity. Which is what we get to witness. However, they probably did not anticipate this much controversy happens..... and had no plan b if things go south in this particular fashion. However, I don't know everything for sure, and all we are doing here are just speculating on what happened. But am I surprised this happened in a Starcraft match? um... probably no, blizzard is very behind on the whole E-sport industry thing. While back in the days StarCraft and blizzard have brought infancy of E-sports to the world. Now they are left behind by a large margin from all the competitors who have a much better eco-system for E-sports. Namely Riot(Tecent) , Valve, and many other organizations. It's sad to see this tho. Are the Chinese unifyingly behind Lx in that? You only hear the loud ones being outraged at Larva here, not the others (who probably wouldn't bother to register here anyway).
Yes, if you look at what the large public media is leading the story into. this whole situation has been elevated to an incident that is framed as "Korean SCBW Progamer publicly shamed a Chinese player during match." The story has been ran by multiple state-affiliated high profile media. You can imagine as if Spiegel from Germany, or New York Times, CNN or the like have ran with the story with such headline. It does feed the public the fuel to rage about. (Nationalism is at a very high level in China right now. And the uneasy tension between Chinese-Korean public relationship due to North Korea is shooting missile a lot, Korea has added some anti-missile system from USA, which have caused the latest round of sanction from Chinese Government on Korean companies etc etc) And plus, most of the reporter are not familiar with the SC scene, who Larva is. And frankly, LX is very respected in the Chinese Scene, imagine Mondragon get delivered such celebration by Larva. It first definitely started with the fanboy, but as many people I have came across who don't even play the game is now behind LX and very troubled about what Larva did. So yeah, I think even a lot of people who are not gamer are waking up to find this as an insult as the media have ran the stories. Gee Gee. It's no surprise Zotac China Division quickly responded with such statement. Basically Zotac has put itself into a PR crisis in China.
No, there are still Chinese who would hold different opinion, who would say Lx doesn't have the skill is the original problem to start with. Or Larva is just who he is and we should not take it as an insult. However, these opinions are being attacked by a lot of people.
I think on a more grand scheme of things definitely yes, since the high profile media has a vital role to swing public opinion on this.
Within the StarCraft community, there maybe 80% people are definitely behind Lx, and 20% who are saying otherwise.
And again, my answers are just my own speculation and reasoning based on what I know. It's no where near accurate at all.
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On December 06 2017 01:02 PurE)Rabbit-SF wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2017 00:41 duke91 wrote:On December 06 2017 00:32 PurE)Rabbit-SF wrote:On December 06 2017 00:09 Tuczniak wrote:
It looks to me that the issue wasn't with Larva, but in the communication between Zotac and the people organizing the tournament on the spot. They obviously thought what Larva is doing is fine, and made a show out of it. It would be very easy for them to tell him to stop between games, or not put him on the fullscreen all the time.
But I guess for Zotac it's easier to make a scapegoat out of player for breaking thought-up rules, than acknowledge their own mistake. As much as I don't enjoy what Larva did. I think the people who should really be responsible for this incident and its backlash are the organizers. People from Zotac and Blizzard. They most likely invited Larva for who he is, and hoping one of these stunt he pull off will get a lot of publicity. Which is what we get to witness. However, they probably did not anticipate this much controversy happens..... and had no plan b if things go south in this particular fashion. However, I don't know everything for sure, and all we are doing here are just speculating on what happened. But am I surprised this happened in a Starcraft match? um... probably no, blizzard is very behind on the whole E-sport industry thing. While back in the days StarCraft and blizzard have brought infancy of E-sports to the world. Now they are left behind by a large margin from all the competitors who have a much better eco-system for E-sports. Namely Riot(Tecent) , Valve, and many other organizations. It's sad to see this tho. Are the Chinese unifyingly behind Lx in that? You only hear the loud ones being outraged at Larva here, not the others (who probably wouldn't bother to register here anyway). Yes, this whole situation has been elevated to an incident that is framed as "Korean SCBW Progamer publicly shamed a Chinese player during match." The story has been ran by multiple state-affiliated high profile media. You can imagine as if Spiegel from Germany, or New York Times, CNN or the like have ran with the story with such headline. It does feed the public the fuel to rage about. (Nationalism is at a very high level in China right now. And the uneasy tension between Chinese-Korean public relationship due to North Korea is shooting missile a lot, Korea has added some anti-missile system from USA, which have caused the latest round of sanction from Chinese Government on Korean companies etc etc) And plus, most of the reporter are not familiar with the SC scene, who Larva is. And frankly, LX is very respected in the Chinese Scene, imagine Mondragon get delivered such celebration by Larva. It first definitely started with the fanboy, but as many people I have came across who don't even play the game is now behind LX and very troubled about what Larva did. So yeah, I think even a lot of people who are not gamer are waking up to find this as an insult as the media have ran the stories. Gee Gee. It's no surprise Zotac China Division quickly responded with such statement. Basically Zotac has put itself into a PR crisis in China.
This is interesting. Thank you for this post. It actually makes this seem a little more real to me.
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"You nuke Chinese man Mr Larva? Well here in China we had nuclear arms treaty. Had. Key word there. So.. I believe you are familiar with this... but.. Nuclear Launch Detected!"
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On December 05 2017 23:52 tanngard wrote:
...to be ultimately made into the laughing stock by some dude he dont even know socially.
This is what I don't understand. I don't think he was made into a laughing stock. He presented himself professionally. It's his behavior afterword that makes him look bad in my judgement.
I really wish he and Zotac had waited a few days before making statements in order to allow emotions and translation issues to diminish. Emotion and haste are not good ways to engage issues.
If you want a sincere apology instead of just an apology, that is the way to go, btw. If you wait a few days to understand what happened and why and then issue a statement that doesn't demand an apology, you might actually get one... and then you know the character of everyone involved either way.
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On December 06 2017 01:13 Nematocyst wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2017 23:52 tanngard wrote:
...to be ultimately made into the laughing stock by some dude he dont even know socially.
This is what I don't understand. I don't think he was made into a laughing stock. He presented himself professionally. It's his behavior afterword that makes him look bad in my judgement.
Again, Legend didn't use the term "mentally retarded" to describe Larva. He literally said "someone whose brain has sickness", which is a VERY common and benign saying in Chinese. Equivalent to "idiot" or "moron", both of which I would say is perfectly acceptable response given the circumstances.
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