EPTIt's sad to me that not only can he not own up to and recognize his actions during the Zotac finals, but then questions anyone that disagrees with him not on the basis of their arguments but on how insignificant they are to the scene, relying on the insular nature of the community to be his shield against criticism. It's just kind of unbecoming of a man in his 30's to use the same diversionary and mocking tactics that are more suitable to arguments among children, especially when the target of those tactics merely dared to disagree with him in the least inflammatory way possible.
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Anticreativity
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It's sad to me that not only can he not own up to and recognize his actions during the Zotac finals, but then questions anyone that disagrees with him not on the basis of their arguments but on how insignificant they are to the scene, relying on the insular nature of the community to be his shield against criticism. It's just kind of unbecoming of a man in his 30's to use the same diversionary and mocking tactics that are more suitable to arguments among children, especially when the target of those tactics merely dared to disagree with him in the least inflammatory way possible. | ||
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Norway633 Posts
On December 07 2017 23:33 Anticreativity wrote: Honestly I'm pretty disappointed in INcontroL after all this. I've been playing SC since I was just a kid and I've been following the pro scene since before SC2's release. I even competed in and briefly met Geoff at MLG Orlando in 2011 (he was a nice guy). So, no, I'm not just "some reddit guy", I'm a legitimate member of the Starcraft community with a valid point that has yet to be addressed because apparently what's more important is what kind of legitimacy I can claim in regards to my experience within the community. It's sad to me that not only can he not own up to and recognize his actions during the Zotac finals, but then questions anyone that disagrees with him not on the basis of their arguments but on how insignificant they are to the scene, relying on the insular nature of the community to be his shield against criticism. It's just kind of unbecoming of a man in his 30's to use the same diversionary and mocking tactics that are more suitable to arguments among children, especially when the target of those tactics merely dared to disagree with him in the least inflammatory way possible. As far as I'm concerned, your points weren't valid since you claimed to know better than him how he felt. You write to him telling him how he's copping out because he says he wasn't mad. Or did you phrase yourself poorly? Or maybe misunderstand when it comes to the difference between him not being impressed by the troll antics, and him pointing out that he wasn't mad? When it comes to being an "outsider"; being an outsider is irrelevant. What is relevant, is when you post it on reddit, don't get the response you wanted, then (seemingly) create an account for the primary purpose of posting the same post here in the forum. And it's not like you present yourself like you're open or truly listen to what he has to say. You're stating that he's wrong in saying that he wasn't mad, because you saw he was mad. And when we point out that that you've misinterpreted his body language etc., you seem to claim that everyone else is wrong and you're still correct in saying that he was mad. You're not a victim of some group mentality going wrong. You're either a victim of not being able to communicate what you want to say. Or you're simply wrong and won't admit it. The first choice can be remedied and I'm down to really hear you out and try better to understand. The latter is mostly on you. However, I do agree that simply calling you a troll and such isn't too constructive. I can understand the frustration and such, but it's not really my cup of tea to respond that way. So I'm in no way in the iNcontroL fanboy harem, thinking all he does is right. I'm simply thankful for all he's done and didn't perceive him as mad or angry at all. He didn't do anything wrong during the casting. He was just...iNcontroL(L). | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
On December 07 2017 23:33 Anticreativity wrote: Honestly I'm pretty disappointed in INcontroL after all this. I've been playing SC since I was just a kid and I've been following the pro scene since before SC2's release. I even competed in and briefly met Geoff at MLG Orlando in 2011 (he was a nice guy). So, no, I'm not just "some reddit guy", I'm a legitimate member of the Starcraft community with a valid point that has yet to be addressed because apparently what's more important is what kind of legitimacy I can claim in regards to my experience within the community. It's sad to me that not only can he not own up to and recognize his actions during the Zotac finals, but then questions anyone that disagrees with him not on the basis of their arguments but on how insignificant they are to the scene, relying on the insular nature of the community to be his shield against criticism. It's just kind of unbecoming of a man in his 30's to use the same diversionary and mocking tactics that are more suitable to arguments among children, especially when the target of those tactics merely dared to disagree with him in the least inflammatory way possible. incontrol has met hundreds, maybe thousands of SC:BW players. So, even if what you're saying is true, meeting him briefly is not going to give you an accurate picture of who he is, or who anyone is. So, to go, "I'm disappointed. I thought he was a nice guy." because you met him once is ridiculous. Like, say I went to a LAN and met someone from StarCraft and they were having a bad day, or just had an awkward moment where they said something weird and unsettling as a joke. I might think that person didn't like me or was rude in general. That one-time meeting wouldn't change who they actually are overall. If you've been a part of the StarCraft community for awhile, then you should already know how iNcontrol is. If someone says some shit, he's gonna say some shit back. So, you come in here and say "I think you were legitimately mad." when he specifically said he wasn't mad, you MUST know that it's not going to go over well. That's why people are saying you're trolling. Because you won't let this go for some reason. Either you're too stubborn to admit you might be wrong, or you're deliberately trying to piss iNcontrol off. | ||
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Norway633 Posts
On December 08 2017 01:25 iNcontroL wrote: Bingo. The post above nails it. Thank you btw.. years ago I lost the patience to explain and defend myself at that detail for matters like these. Cheers. Feels kinda weird writing about you to someone else in a thread you've made, though. The hope is to lighten some of the burden of having to take the time, although I'm not really certain if I'm getting it all correct either. I'm kinda hoping you'll spank me if I do, so as to not make any mistakes. | ||
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Guam3521 Posts
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Jeremy Reimer
Canada968 Posts
It's weird to me that a minor comment near the end of a long tournament gets all the focus when all I can think about is Incontrol comparing Artosis to Winona Ryder and then later seeing Artosis sitting on a couch with a string of Christmas lights shouting "Where's my boy?" | ||
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MindBreaker
United States574 Posts
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Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
On December 08 2017 03:55 MindBreaker wrote: That event was some of the most fun I have had in years (almost as good as the Launch event) the amount of fun banter you guys have back in forth is amazing. I would listen to you guys for hours and hours if i could. I have watched Incontrol for years, people who say he is mad either 1. have never watched him in any capacity more than like 5 seconds or 2. want drama SO DAMN BAD that they just cant handle themselves. Incontrol you are awesome love your deadpan style if goes so well against day9 and the rest. People just looooove to troll for drama lol I thought he was mad and I've watched him for many hours on casts and Rollplay. Not that it matters, but it's kind of bullshit how people are saying that one couldn't possibly think he was mad if they were familiar with him, or that they're lying just to make drama. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6587 Posts
The most interesting part for me is that now we have mad people cuz inc wasnt mad and they are trying to prove no matter what that inc was mad.seriously guys...How can you even spend 10 seconds on this shit after the person involved made it very clear. now is a fucking crime that inc wasnt mad so we need to show the world that he was really mad. | ||
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winson
China138 Posts
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CrymeaTerran
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Alpha-NP-
United States1242 Posts
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Falling
Canada11350 Posts
On December 08 2017 07:52 Alpha-NP- wrote: Only person that doesn't think Incontrol was mad was Incontrol. Oh, ok. Thanks for presuming to speak for all of us. lol Why people think it's so necessary to argue that iNcontroL is lying, I don't know. Just let it go. edit. On another note- that pictionary thing was hilarious. Artosis should draw more  | ||
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craz3d
Bulgaria856 Posts
On December 08 2017 04:01 Starlightsun wrote: I thought he was mad and I've watched him for many hours on casts and Rollplay. Not that it matters, but it's kind of bullshit how people are saying that one couldn't possibly think he was mad if they were familiar with him, or that they're lying just to make drama. Does not being impressed by certain actions mean that one is mad about it? | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
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Cvitak46
Croatia52 Posts
On December 08 2017 14:26 Falling wrote: Oh, ok. Thanks for presuming to speak for all of us. lol Why people think it's so necessary to argue that iNcontroL is lying, I don't know. Just let it go. edit. On another note- that pictionary thing was hilarious. Artosis should draw more Finally someone with things that matter! I was crying how hard I laughed to Artosis and Nick's skills in pictionary are like godlike dragon micro of Bisu :D :D :D | ||
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KrOjah
United Kingdom68 Posts
On December 08 2017 16:26 tomatriedes wrote: From some of the butthurt comments in this thread I thought incontrol did something really bad but then I watched it and it was totally fine, normal incontrol humour. The translator and Larva both clearly knew the thigh question was a joke and it was not a big deal.I can't believe that people are mad that a guy who just spent 45 minutes trolling the shit out of his opponent got asked a joke question. Seriously some of you need to get a grip. Exactly. Incontrol tbh I do not really like your casting all that much, but you don't even have to write up an explanation for such a minor issue to try and appease some pussies/people with far too much spare time. | ||
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Anticreativity
8 Posts
You're either a victim of not being able to communicate what you want to say. Or you're simply wrong and won't admit it. Or, here's an idea, maybe Geoff isn't a perfect human and is susceptible to being disingenuous about his own flaws when under public scrutiny. That's what baffles me about this whole thing, you guys are acting like just because someone says something about themselves that it then becomes indisputable truth and anyone who disagrees is just too stupid to articulate their argument or is too stubborn to admit they're wrong. You're attempting to rob my argument of validity simply because of your admiration for Geoff. You're stating that he's wrong in saying that he wasn't mad, because you saw he was mad. And when we point out that that you've misinterpreted his body language etc., you seem to claim that everyone else is wrong and you're still correct in saying that he was mad. Actually, no one has said anything of the sort. That's kind of the point I've been making over and over again, that no one has even attempted to actually argue against any of the points I'm making and instead just focusing on what my intent is. I really don't understand why that's the case, it's like we're reading different pages or something. You're just pretending we've had a discussion we never had and acting like I haven't just spent every post trying to dispel this idea that I'm here to troll someone without ever actually getting to the point of my argument. | ||
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Norway633 Posts
On December 09 2017 00:15 Anticreativity wrote: Or, here's an idea, maybe Geoff isn't a perfect human and is susceptible to being disingenuous about his own flaws when under public scrutiny. That's what baffles me about this whole thing, you guys are acting like just because someone says something about themselves that it then becomes indisputable truth and anyone who disagrees is just too stupid to articulate their argument or is too stubborn to admit they're wrong. You're attempting to rob my argument of validity simply because of your admiration for Geoff. Yes, there's always the chance of people not being what they claim to be. I do however protest that I'm trying to rob your vailidty due to my admiration for Geoff. I do not admire him. I think he's doing a lot of great stuff and like him, but I'm not the kind of person who'll defend someone who's in the wrong simply because of something like that. Nevertheless, I cannot prove that to you. You'd have to know me, and until then I understand that you need to keep the option open that I might be just another fanboy. And that's fair. So I'll try to be as thorough as possible, to make it redundantly clear that I actually want to get to the bottom of it and to have a constructive outcome. Actually, no one has said anything of the sort. That's kind of the point I've been making over and over again, that no one has even attempted to actually argue against any of the points I'm making and instead just focusing on what my intent is. I really don't understand why that's the case, it's like we're reading different pages or something. You're just pretending we've had a discussion we never had and acting like I haven't just spent every post trying to dispel this idea that I'm here to troll someone without ever actually getting to the point of my argument. This is where I'm getting confused. I'll quote your first post and point out why. On December 06 2017 15:23 Anticreativity wrote: This statement is confusing in regards to its intent and reads a bit like a cop out. I think it's pretty obvious Geoff was upset at Larva's antics and anyone watching would reasonably come to that conclusion. This looks to me as though you find it confusing because it was obvious to you that he was mad/upset. And that his claiming to never have been mad is a cop out. Essentially that he's being dishonest, since anyone watch could see he was mad. Do I understand you correctly here? That your experience is that Geoff was mad, and now he's trying to hide the fact? It's okay to be upset, dude. It's okay to be annoyed with Larva and to be of the opinion that his actions surpassed the acceptable norm of what we call "BM". It's also okay for large sections of the community to disagree with and even criticize that reaction. But you should stand your ground and explain how and why you were annoyed or admit that it was a mistake and apologize if you see fit. Either way, if you're going to make a statement like this, at least acknowledge the reality of the situation. This "I was grumpy because I was tired but definitely wasn't mad and was only joking but Larva was being a hypocrite" type of excuse only serves to satisfy your own need to try and exonerate yourself while failing to address the truth of the matter. You obviously care what the community thinks as evidenced by the fact that you felt the need to make this statement at all, so why not use the opportunity to just be honest with yourself and your audience. No one whose opinion is worth a damn is going to fault you for it. For the rest of the post, it seems as though your main point is that Geoff should be more honest with himself and let things go. And honestly, I think you mean well here. Being honest with yourself and others is good. And owning up to your mistakes is even better. So as I understand here, you want Geoff to own up to his mistake, take it like a man and then we can all just move on? I might be missing the mark here, but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong | ||
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