SC:R Developer Update 2 31.10.2017

On November 01 2017 03:45 ProMeTheus112 wrote:
no acknowledgement whatsoever so far of broken chat and ladder not registering games properly with ghost wins and losses, messed up stats and MMR + all the other bnet interface minicrashes and slowness or not working

right? no acknowledgement so far?

On November 01 2017 04:52 Jealous wrote:
Also have they made any comment about the ports being open? Some people are claiming that it helps them in match making, and I too have issues due to the "Error" when getting matched up.

On November 01 2017 07:05 chuDr3t4 wrote:
About ports in 1.20.7 thread:
>>Oh I didn't realize we were still supposed to be forwarding ports. I thought something changed around 1.18 and we didn't need to.
>You're right: it did, and you don't. We added proxy servers in 1.18 to assist people who are behind firewalls. In many cases the proxy servers contribute a negligible amount to latency. In some cases, the proxy server can reduce latency slightly. However, there are also some less common cases where the proxy server can increase latency.
>Generally speaking, people hosting in Korea, Europe, and North America most likely will not experience significant latency difference by using proxy servers.

On November 01 2017 04:37 AManHasNoName wrote:


The ghost wins/losses were addressed, fixed for myself and everyone I've talked to since about a week ago. (Prior to that it was doubling every single win and loss for me) Which also fixed the MMR issues AFAIK.

Bnet interface (particularly displaying MMR change after a game) still an issue.

Broken chat still an issue for sure.

On November 01 2017 09:24 Jealous wrote:

I don't think reset stats is a good choice, it will lead to rapid inflation of MMR and decreases the barrier of entry for people to noob stomp while simultaneously punishing anyone who is sub-1500 because their playing population will immediately decrease.

Massive "NO" to reset stats in a MM-based ladder.

On November 01 2017 11:12 ProMeTheus112 wrote:
me? nah I just want a fully working product i never cared that much about rank actually
chat is critical to me as well as responsive and working interface i'm not satisfied with it, especially since I expected it to work from day 1 pretty much (or before day 1 actually, that was the point of the phase before remastered)
like, you optimized your lighting stuff for 2GB, great, that affects a portion of players for a superficial aspect of the game (while superficially the SD graphics are still displayed very badly). But you keep the very simple and probably easy to fix stuff like chat or profiles broken for so long and keep ignoring the issues. Not satisfied at all, I don't accept a broken unfinished product. Yay, let's watch blizzcon for another round of advertisement while my favorite game stays in half craped condition for another what, half year?

On November 01 2017 09:28 jimminy_kriket wrote:

How can you tell?

On November 01 2017 11:25 palexhur wrote:


Dont answer that troll called Heyjoray, he is just a no life guy, who trolls hard in BW forums.

On November 01 2017 15:27 elKa-ThE-FeArEd wrote:
they really need to fix Leagues for both 1v1, 2v2, 3v3 ,4v4

Silver, Gold , Platinum so casual people can see that they are going in the right direction
Just hitting 2000MMR isn't as satisfying as going up to platinum league etc.

AND fix the friendlist, have to relog about 3-4 times / day because the dude i play with dissapear from my friendlist
also recieving whispers from <???> that make's starcraft crash if u respond

On November 01 2017 18:59 404AlphaSquad wrote:

Dont you know? If it isnt letters its garbage for bw players.

On November 01 2017 11:12 ProMeTheus112 wrote:
me? nah I just want a fully working product i never cared that much about rank actually
chat is critical to me as well as responsive and working interface i'm not satisfied with it, especially since I expected it to work from day 1 pretty much (or before day 1 actually, that was the point of the phase before remastered)
like, you optimized your lighting stuff for 2GB, great, that affects a portion of players for a superficial aspect of the game (while superficially the SD graphics are still displayed very badly). But you keep the very simple and probably easy to fix stuff like chat or profiles broken for so long and keep ignoring the issues. Not satisfied at all, I don't accept a broken unfinished product. Yay, let's watch blizzcon for another round of advertisement while my favorite game stays in half craped condition for another what, half year?

On November 02 2017 02:26 ProMeTheus112 wrote:
yeah me too sad you know what if they fix it i'll be happy and thankful i guess but so far thats made me sad and also a bit angry, if I buy something frankly I just expect it to work from day 1 maybe some rare small bugs thats ok not consistent broken left and right like this

On November 02 2017 06:58 Dazed. wrote:
The interface is shitty and slow, but I do still have gameplay issues-- one in four of my games or so I get disconnects. I have great internet, I dont lag against anyone, I dont have any internet problems, its entirely a new thing only related to sc:R. But it makes ladder basically a waste of my time.

On November 02 2017 06:58 Dazed. wrote:
But it makes ladder basically a waste of my time.

On November 02 2017 04:14 RealityIsKing wrote:
the fact that Blizzard is forcing a lot of servers shutting down

On November 02 2017 13:15 ProMeTheus112 wrote:
i just want the thing to work seriously how much longer we gonna wait, its always like this with blizzard now
yes blizzard sucks and has a shit reputation so if you work at blizzard you're gonna be put into this mess we're all in this mess cause we play blizzard games and the company sucks, what can i say, i just want it fixed now so i write it as i feel

should i go like
hi nice thank you!!!
still waiting did you hear yes in 2 years maybe?

the old game had a few flaws with occasionally blank interface, but now it just got way worse instead of better COME ON from 98 to 2017 this is what I bought remastered for? so im not happy, not gonna pretend i am

On November 02 2017 15:34 XenOsky- wrote:



ungrateful fucks? i payed fot this bitch, ima complain as much as i can if don't get the product that i was promised.

for some reason i belive that u're a blizzard employee giving us BW players shit because your product is garbage and we say it. u're like "omg you scumbags got a rework on your pathetic 20 year old game so be greateful to us"

fuck that, gimme my money or a fully working game.

On November 02 2017 10:28 404AlphaSquad wrote:

Is this a fact or are you just making stuff up? If so, can i have a source please? Because if there is no proof it can hardly be called "fact".

Also the 1.16 build also had alot of interface problems. Ot was also slow and clunky (gamelist not loading for example). Nobody gave a fuck about it. But now its "unplayable" if you dont see your stats correctly immediately after your game.

Yes its a rushed product, and yes it still got flaws which are being adressed. What bothers me is that certain people keep bitching about the money blizzard made from this, even though this project is probably a net loss for them or at most barely noticeable income. Srsly all these guys working on it, would have benefitted blizz financially more if they just fixed bugs in WoW or Overwatch. Games with an actual playerbase. They dont gain much if anything by pleasing the minuscule bw community.

The people working on sc:r certainly dont deserve to be harrassed by the ungrateful fucks that certain people here in this forum are. If there is a problem with the game you can tell them about it without being bitches every single time there are news about potential updates.

On November 02 2017 16:44 Heyjoray wrote:
The game is fully working

On November 02 2017 16:44 Heyjoray wrote:

The game is fully working

On November 02 2017 10:28 404AlphaSquad wrote:

Is this a fact or are you just making stuff up? If so, can i have a source please? Because if there is no proof it can hardly be called "fact".

Also the 1.16 build also had alot of interface problems. Ot was also slow and clunky (gamelist not loading for example). Nobody gave a fuck about it. But now its "unplayable" if you dont see your stats correctly immediately after your game.

Yes its a rushed product, and yes it still got flaws which are being adressed. What bothers me is that certain people keep bitching about the money blizzard made from this, even though this project is probably a net loss for them or at most barely noticeable income. Srsly all these guys working on it, would have benefitted blizz financially more if they just fixed bugs in WoW or Overwatch. Games with an actual playerbase. They dont gain much if anything by pleasing the minuscule bw community.

The people working on sc:r certainly dont deserve to be harrassed by the ungrateful fucks that certain people here in this forum are. If there is a problem with the game you can tell them about it without being bitches every single time there are news about potential updates.

On November 02 2017 17:08 noname_ wrote:


From where do you get that, that they didn`t made and make money with this? Are you an insider manager or financial analyst from the company? I see people coming up with ideas from thin air, if you actually can`t back up any of those lines, it`d better just not spread your opinion as facts, without any evidence, whatsoever.

On November 02 2017 15:34 XenOsky- wrote:
for some reason i belive that u're a blizzard employee giving us BW players shit because your product is garbage and we say it.

On November 02 2017 13:15 ProMeTheus112 wrote:
i just want the thing to work seriously how much longer we gonna wait, its always like this with blizzard now
yes blizzard sucks and has a shit reputation so if you work at blizzard you're gonna be put into this mess we're all in this mess cause we play blizzard games and the company sucks, what can i say, i just want it fixed now so i write it as i feel

should i go like
hi nice thank you!!!
still waiting did you hear yes in 2 years maybe?

the old game had a few flaws with occasionally blank interface, but now it just got way worse instead of better COME ON from 98 to 2017 this is what I bought remastered for? so im not happy, not gonna pretend i am

On November 02 2017 14:03 Heyjoray wrote:

What the fuck is wrong with? You are acting as if the game is completetly unplayable. Which its not. Not even on day 1

On November 02 2017 16:44 Heyjoray wrote:The game is fully working

On November 03 2017 01:01 404AlphaSquad wrote:

No i am not. However developement time spent on products that bring little income instead of products that bring more is money lost. If you disagree thats your right, however the picture that some here are painting about the evil "mr.blizzard" just rubbing his hands together,stroking blofelds cat doing "a quick money grab" is more ridiculous. No shareholder will notice a difference because of the scr release and if you think they do, you are delusional.



Case and point of the general delusion of the bw community and in this thread. Newsflash for you, blizzard as a company doesnt give a damn what the barely 1000 foreigners still active in BW are writing in this forum. That you think YOU and your opinions are important enough for Blizzard to hire a guy to "sway" the people here, amuses me.



The old game had more flaws, at least for me. Official servers were unplayable. Every other server had 3rd party software and i still wasnt able to host games or join games with more than 2 people even with ports opened. I even asked tec27 for help in sb and he couldnt find out what the problem was. Even if i manage to load the lists, half of the games had red bars on iccup and all the games on fish. Bnet ui was WAY more broken due to modern OS. I mean beyond just black lists. I sometimes had to logg out of the server again just so that my interface stops acting up. Everyone knew infamous color bugs. How can you honestly say that with all these problems the game was better, if now everyone, even those never in touch with the bw community to know about the special servers and launchers, can install the game and play immediately, without going through all this trouble.

All these problems are gone for me. I can now host even in our nhffa group, play on different servers without lagg (except australia). If lagg exists like when i make games with Nettles, we can manually modify the turnrate for a better expierience. I can even chat with people logged in in other games.

Tbh the only thing bothering me atm is that there is no teamladder yet. However I know that it will eventually come. So I dont head every single time there are news here or on the bnet forum over to cry: "wtf! What about the teamladder that was promised you cocksucking money grabbing asshole, release it now or give me my money back!" because i know it doesnt accomplish anything. It was a rushed release and the features will eventually come. If they dont you still wont get your money back, by writing angry comments in an internet forum.

Or do you honestly believe harrassing the dev who posts these updates is going to accomplish something?

No i am not. However developement time spent on products that bring little income instead of products that bring more is money lost.
If you disagree thats your right, however the picture that some here are painting about the evil "mr.blizzard" just rubbing his hands together,stroking blofelds cat doing "a quick money grab" is more ridiculous. No shareholder will notice a difference because of the scr release and if you think they do, you are delusional.

On November 03 2017 02:19 ProMeTheus112 wrote:



Well I see people warning me about you being a troll and just not reply to you were right, cause I gave many examples before and you are bringing no argument at all except repeating "the game is playable". That's not the point. You must justify and bring arguments now, not me. The game is not fully working obviously. You're acting as if my remarks have no basis in reality. Which they do. Even since day 1. What the fuck is wrong with you? Ok pretty unlikely I'll reply to you again but if you wise up maybe I will.

On November 04 2017 01:49 FiWiFaKi wrote:


I bought Remastered, and I played ladder/RMM, and after every game, I wouldn't get a score screen, and my point wouldn't update, would be random, etc. I decided to watch a tournament, one of the first things the caster said was that he can't see what I say in chat because of the bug, can you tell him this instead.

Now when there are a dozen of games coming out every year that have 10s on millions of dollars spent on development, and are way more polished, why would I stay and put up with this stuff?

I was excited to really start playing a lot of BW, but because of those experiences, I haven't loaded up remastered in a few weeks, and I just make sure to catch every ASL. I think if these bugs weren't present at launch (or 1-2 weeks afterwards in my case), it's very likely that I'd be playing multiple times per week.

On November 04 2017 02:27 DOgMeAt wrote:
small annoyances:
-chat doesnt work, cant play tournaments
-ladder doesnt work neither

lol

+not being able to race pick on ladder, bring back icc pls

On November 04 2017 03:11 FiWiFaKi wrote:


I've been posting on Teamliquid since early 2009, and watched it an insane amount. I played mostly UMS back in the day, but I played some iccup for 1-2 years trying to get good, then I played ShieldBattery for 6 months trying to get good. I'll keep watching BW, but this stuff had a big impact on me not continuing to play, or at least, playing a lot more casually.

I suppose to an extent it's not even about how big the changes are, but also about how indicative of future performance, how these little fuck ups by Blizzard occur. Many of us are not fans of the route SC2 took, and after what was a pretty messy game to start with Diablo 3 and Heroes, Blizzard did nothing to convey the message that the SC:RM development will be any different. So if Blizzard saw this as an easy way to make a few bucks, but doesn't have a long term vision for the game, I don't want to get invested either.

On November 04 2017 02:20 AManHasNoName wrote:


I’m trying to see where you’re coming from on this, but to me this just sounds like a huge overreaction.

Maybe it’s cause I’m from a different generation of gamers. But, what I care about is the actual gameplay being challenging and enjoyable.

The things you’re talking about are small annoyances to be certain. Your reaction to them seems well beyond what is reasonable to me, though.

I’m certainly in the minority with my opinions. And you’re right there are tons of new games coming out every day. Personally the challenge of playing a game like BW where I can feel true pride in the progress I make and each win/loss gives me lots of things to think about is worth putting up with a buggy UI.

That said, there’s a reason games coming out are simplified and made to look pretty. Because your opinions are shared by a large majority of the community these days.

TL;DR: If you’re someone who never played BW and was just trying it out, your reaction makes some sense. But, if you’re someone returning because you love what the game of BW has to offer then I just can’t understand how things like these would drive you away.

Edit: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/528254-on-starcraft-remastered things like this are why I love StarCraft.

On November 04 2017 03:44 AManHasNoName wrote:


With this post I absolutely understand where you are coming from. I too have been let down by Blizzard's more recent games. My dislike for them is largely gameplay based though, so as long as the BW gameplay doesn't get touched I'll be happy.

That said, what sort of long term vision are you hoping for Blizzard to have for SC:R?

IMO what they've demonstrated so far is that the people working on the game have a love for BW and are willing to listen to the community when making changes. The interface is buggy, yes. They are taking software designed almost 20 years ago and trying to appropriate it to work with the vast array of current machines WITHOUT changing the way the game plays. When it comes to programming that's actually a much more difficult project than starting from scratch and building your own game.

My goal is not to say that what we have now is perfect and doesn't need to be altered. I simply believe that leniency is in order. They are working on the game and trying to do things the right way. They are showing dedication to the community, the devs post on the forums very frequently and are giving us these videos as well.

Cut them some slack, enjoy playing the game, note and report the bugs you see, but don't let little things ruin your experience.

On November 04 2017 03:59 L_Master wrote:


In my opinion, I largely agree with you. I'm under the impression this dev team does actually give a shit about what the playerbase thinks.

Unfortunately, there are a good 8 years of negative blizzard experience involving blizzard fuck ups or active hostility towards BW. Mix that with the fact that some of the biggest cries; lag issues, ladder not working, and chat/friend functionality are still unresolved and it's not hard at all to see why many people are very pessimistic.

I personally am not, but I can absolutely understand where those that are pessimistic are coming from. In all honesty, I can't really make an argument that they shouldn't be past "I dunno guys, just seems like this Dev team gets it and actually cares".

In sum, even if I don't share it, I think the pessimism and angst are absolutely justifiable reactions for people to have.

On November 04 2017 03:11 FiWiFaKi wrote:


I've been posting on Teamliquid since early 2009, and watched it an insane amount. I played mostly UMS back in the day, but I played some iccup for 1-2 years trying to get good, then I played ShieldBattery for 6 months trying to get good. I'll keep watching BW, but this stuff had a big impact on me not continuing to play, or at least, playing a lot more casually.

I suppose to an extent it's not even about how big the changes are, but also about how indicative of future performance, how these little fuck ups by Blizzard occur. Many of us are not fans of the route SC2 took, and after what was a pretty messy game to start with Diablo 3 and Heroes, Blizzard did nothing to convey the message that the SC:RM development will be any different. So if Blizzard saw this as an easy way to make a few bucks, but doesn't have a long term vision for the game, I don't want to get invested either.

On November 04 2017 04:18 AManHasNoName wrote:


I agree with the majority of what you've said in the last two posts. I also agree that if we're using Blizzard's recent history as a guide, there's ample reason to be skeptical. I do think it's important to try to judge this dev team by their actions and I hope people will be open minded.

One thing I wanted to provide input on:
1) Yes lag is a big issue. But, it's something they have been putting what I see to be great effort to resolve. Lag is the #1 issue in any online game, and I haven't played a game in the last 10 years where the forums were not filled with posts complaining about lag.

I play against primarily Koreans myself, and live in Colorado. Somehow I manage to have very little lag against them, so considering my location I think that shows that there's at least hope for it to get better.

However, I do watch streams all the time and see the lag Europeans in particular experience when facing Koreans. I absolutely think it's a valid concern.

That's all I've got, I just wanted to provide some sort of argument in defense of Blizzard since in my line of work I see these type of complaints all the time with no acknowledgment of the work we are putting in to fix them and no perspective on the difficulty of resolving some of these issues.

I appreciate everyone who took time to read these posts and provided feedback of your own. TL has a lot of very intelligent members and I love the discussion that happens here!

On November 04 2017 08:06 L_Master wrote:


Say what?!

Sounds like an SC meetup is in order!

On November 04 2017 08:22 FiWiFaKi wrote:


In my opinion the ideal system is having an MMR system much like they do now, but have some anti-inflationary algorithm in place, for example make it that the top 100 players have an average MMR of 3000, or that the top 10% of players have x points, whatever. Just throw in a couple extra points or give less points for wins and more for losses when a minor adjustment needs to be made.

And then use objects to represent ranks, 3000+ olympic, 2800+ A+, 1500 C, etc. I'd prefer letter ranks simply because it has a history in BW (and differentiates nicely from rare elements used in other games). And then some point decay, lets say minus 10 points for every week not playing more than 3 games~.






Careful with L_Master, unless you cycle to the summit of Pike's Peak with your PC in your backpack, he probably wont want to see you.

On November 04 2017 18:26 Me_ToKa wrote:
Estimated time: 42 seconds
Elapsed time: 433 seconds and still counts..........
WTF??? Nice match finder!

On November 02 2017 22:03 Silentenigma wrote:

How is charging 15$ for a graphic and netcode update for a 17 year old game losing them money lol.

On November 04 2017 09:25 AManHasNoName wrote:


I'm partial to the letter ranks as well and I like the idea of a point + letter rank system. That's the classic (unless you want to go all the way back to original BW Ladder and Gamei Ladder) Starcraft ranking system.

I'll watch out. Trying to fit my PC in my backup sounds like more than enough challenge alone LOL

On November 05 2017 05:05 GGzerG wrote:
If Blizzard is making SC2 Free 2 Play, why wouldn't they make SC:R Free to play too? Just seems kind of backwards to me lol

On November 05 2017 05:05 GGzerG wrote:
If Blizzard is making SC2 Free 2 Play, why wouldn't they make SC:R Free to play too? Just seems kind of backwards to me lol